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MrMarcello said:
Exactly how do you handle a prison population during a pandemic?

On one hand you have a humanitarian crisis with many enclosed. On the other hand which get released - all? non-violent convicted persons?

Simply cannot let all of them on the streets. Especially Cali prisons with massive gang membership, some of the most violent as well. Some of these offenders are a menace to society, such is the lack of prison reform.

It's a no-win situation IMO. All it takes is one released felon to commit something so heinous and the media and political fallout would be ridiculous.
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It's really not that difficult. First, you start with non-violent crimes that never should have been imprisoned in the first place like drugs and prostitution. In Federal prisons, War on Drug BS lock-ups are about 47% so that alone would make the difference but of course the Feds love their War on Drug machine so we'll focus on states.
In states like California that can be tricky to estimate but its probably around 8-15% let's say based on 2017 data. Then you take a lot of research into criminology that finds "crime is a young man's game". California prison population over 50 is about 23% from the earlier source (2017) so making an assessment from criminologists on individuals and you can probably add another 15-22% to that non-violent drug crime.
"Research demonstrates that increases in already long prison sentences, say from 20 years to life, do not have material deterrent effects on crime....From a public safety perspective, this makes no sense. Decades of research by criminologists demonstrate that nature’s best cure for crime is aging — crime is a young man’s game. - Criminology Prof. Daniel Nagin, CMU

So taking all this together you have a very reasonable 23-35% estimate of prisoners you could release from California and not see any bump in crime.

It's not a difficult issue to parse if you allowed the criminologists who studied the data for decades to do it.
 

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Not sure if this is the best thread, but someone or people manipulated Google's algorithms. Type in "white American doctor" into Google images.
 

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Organic Potatoes said:
Just the trailer made me sick. I’m not into torture kink so I think I’ll pass for now.
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Honestly, I was flipping through Roku last night and started watching it by couldn't finish it. It's a worthwile expose of Congress, but it's hard to digest in one go.

Citizens United is worst decision ever by the SC
 

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Writing a letter of advice to a representative? That's a misogyny. That's an aggression. That's a cancellation. Yikes Ralph. Do better.

 

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Who's this person and why do we need to see this?
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Writer & philosopher at Cornell, author of Down Girl: The Logic of Misogyny (2018) & Entitled: How Male Privilege Hurts Women (Crown/Penguin, Aug 2020). She/her

because there's been a ton of it ever since he wrote the letter, by fairly prominent people. the ignore button is quite easy to use also.
 

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Writer & philosopher at Cornell, author of Down Girl: The Logic of Misogyny (2018) & Entitled: How Male Privilege Hurts Women (Crown/Penguin, Aug 2020). She/her

because there's been a ton of it ever since he wrote the letter, by fairly prominent people. the ignore button is quite easy to use also.
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Push then and jesus christ man get off Twitter.
 

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GiddyUp said:
Who's this person and why do we need to see this?
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GiddyUp said:
Push then and jesus christ man get off Twitter.
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Why are you policing the content of the thread? He posted about US politics in a thread about US politics, and it's not like the thread is drowning in content to begin with. You don't have to read it if you don't want to.
 

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This Democratic National Convention is so cringey. Wtf is this?? Eva Longoria was the best they could come up with? Pledge of Allegiance with Biden’s grandchildren and national anthem :rolleyes: Dems never learn.
 

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oneniltothearsenal said:
It's really not that difficult. First, you start with non-violent crimes that never should have been imprisoned in the first place like drugs and prostitution. In Federal prisons, War on Drug BS lock-ups are about 47% so that alone would make the difference but of course the Feds love their War on Drug machine so we'll focus on states.
In states like California that can be tricky to estimate but its probably around 8-15% let's say based on 2017 data. Then you take a lot of research into criminology that finds "crime is a young man's game". California prison population over 50 is about 23% from the earlier source (2017) so making an assessment from criminologists on individuals and you can probably add another 15-22% to that non-violent drug crime.
"Research demonstrates that increases in already long prison sentences, say from 20 years to life, do not have material deterrent effects on crime....From a public safety perspective, this makes no sense. Decades of research by criminologists demonstrate that nature’s best cure for crime is aging — crime is a young man’s game. - Criminology Prof. Daniel Nagin, CMU

So taking all this together you have a very reasonable 23-35% estimate of prisoners you could release from California and not see any bump in crime.

It's not a difficult issue to parse if you allowed the criminologists who studied the data for decades to do it.
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Any first school law student could come up with this, it's not brainer

What they can't entangle is the corrupt private state prison that acts collects latino/black and other minorities majority, chuck them into things called prison where every head contributed massively to their pockets, and eventually the congressman campaign fun. Multiply that with years of entanglement you don't even know who's who and what's what anymore.

And that's only one facets of the deep corruption, we haven't dealt with NRA, police endorsement, pharmaceutical lobby, the weed lobbyist, multinational companies, and so many other web of interest.

It's a swap alright.
 

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MrMarcello said:
Exactly how do you handle a prison population during a pandemic?

On one hand you have a humanitarian crisis with many enclosed. On the other hand which get released - all? non-violent convicted persons?

Simply cannot let all of them on the streets. Especially Cali prisons with massive gang membership, some of the most violent as well. Some of these offenders are a menace to society, such is the lack of prison reform.

It's a no-win situation IMO. All it takes is one released felon to commit something so heinous and the media and political fallout would be ridiculous.
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In my experience the majority of these “nonviolent” inmates are incarcerated in a state prison because they are career criminals. They’re very much a menace to society. I’d say unless they’re elderly with major health complications or if they really are imprisoned for “minor” drug crimes, keep them all there and demand the prisons figure out distancing and sanitation protocols in their facilities.
 

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choiboyx012 said:
In my experience the majority of these “nonviolent” inmates are incarcerated in a state prison because they are career criminals. They’re very much a menace to society. I’d say unless they’re elderly with major health complications or if they really are imprisoned for “minor” drug crimes, keep them all there and demand the prisons figure out distancing and sanitation protocols in their facilities.
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The US has an absolutely massive prison population in comparison to other western democracies, they can’t all be career criminals.
 

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Kentonio said:
The US has an absolutely massive prison population in comparison to other western democracies, they can’t all be career criminals.
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In comparison to literally every other large counstry including China. The only comparable numbers are from Central American islands. Famously repressive USSR had a lower percentage in prison except during the height of the Stalinist terror (1938-40).
 

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State Attorneys General Appear Ready to Sue Trump Over Changes at the USPS


At least six state attorneys general appear to be discussing possible legal action against the Trump administration due to changes at the United States Postal Service (USPS) that could disenfranchise voters seeking to cast their ballot by mail this year.

The group of Democratic state officials appear to be making moves toward a lawsuit against President Donald Trump and Postmaster General Louis DeJoy for the sudden changes that were made in the name of cost reduction.

Critics maintain that the changes are an attempt to purposely slow mail delivery service, citing Trump’s comments last week that implied he was blocking funding to USPS in order to impede mail-in voting in this year’s general election, including the race for president.

Attorneys generals in Massachusetts, Minnesota, North Carolina, Pennsylvania, Virginia and Washington have made statements suggesting legal action was in the works against the administration.

“I am reviewing all legal options to protect this election,” North Carolina Attorney General Josh Stein tweeted on Saturday, noting that “Trump admitted” in his statement last week “to trying [to] starve USPS of $ so it can’t deliver absentee ballots.”

Virginia Attorney General Mark Herring also stated that moves by DeJoy and Trump represent an “assault on Democracy.”

“DeJoy and the entire Trump Administration must answer for exactly what’s going on,” Herring said.

DeJoy, who has given millions of dollars to the Republican Party (including to Trump) and who has vested financial interests in competitors to USPS, has implemented a number of changes to Post Office operations across the country, including cuts to overtime, adjustments to delivery policies and the removal of hundreds of high-speed mail sorting machines. The moves may end up shutting down many post office locations, cutting staff and slowing down service.

Indeed, changes have already resulted in the USPS warning election officials in 46 states that mail-in ballots may not arrive in time to be counted for the 2020 elections.

Americans reported a number of other alarming trends, including the removal of letter collection boxes in several states across the country. Other collection boxes have had locks placed on them, preventing them from being used.

Democratic lawmakers in Washington, D.C., are also considering legislation to stop changes at USPS in the lead up to the 2020 election. Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi (D-California) announced on Sunday that she would be recalling House lawmakers from their August recess in order to deal with the matter.

“Lives, livelihoods and the life of our American democracy are under threat from the president,” Pelosi said in her letter to colleagues.

It’s unclear whether the Republican-controlled Senate would take similar action in order to address the issue, although there is a bipartisan call from lawmakers on both sides of the aisle for Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Kentucky) to respond.
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Kentonio said:
The US has an absolutely massive prison population in comparison to other western democracies, they can’t all be career criminals.
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I should’ve clarified I was referring to California. Prisons and jails are already overcrowded, so people aren’t really going to prison for minor crimes anymore. At least in recent years. Their cases normally get pleaded down anyway to probation, rehab, community service, or short stint in jail.
If someone is convicted and sent to a state prison, it’s most likely due to them being a career criminal. Their criminal history will be looked at and the prosecution might recommend imprisonment due to the person’s rap sheet showing a pattern of criminal charges both violent or nonviolent.
 

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Whats the fuss about ? I have about two dozen test kits at home. It cost me $10 for one kit. Then again i dont live in usa where a bandaid in hospital emergency costs 500 quid and any protest against that is considered communism.
 
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