Kathy Hochul's poll numbers aren't looking too good...
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typically no...we are used to these types of things on college campuses
the issue, the main issue, is the hate speech and open anti-semitic rhetoric on college campuses right now
Yeah, no. That's not the main issue. Most, if not all, actual anti-semitism in the US comes from the far-right, who aren't really protesting for Palestinians. The main issue is politicians in the US have been properly challenged for the first time in their role and support in massacring Palestinians for decades, and they don't like it.
Anyway, this is a good thread.
This is the old is 'anti-Israel equivalent to anti-Semitism?' argument.
Sadly this is definitely not true. I've had friends experience anti-semitism, including some vicious insults, directly from pro-Palestinian people. This has been in person, on "local" social media like Facebook, and oddly, through dating apps.
Concerning.
sorry to tell you but that Is 100% not factual....most of the anti-semitic is coming from the left and especially this younger generation of college age kids. It's front and center on TV where you can hear it coming from those kids. They aren't afraid to hide it either because they know nothing will happen to them as college students
Things may have changed post 10.7, but prior to that the majority of anti-semitism was on the far right, which is backed up by research. Not sure if there's any new research post Oct. 7th, but one would expect it would've risen a bit over the past six months.
There is new data from the ADL, and it shows a massive increase in anti-semitism from pro-Palestine demonstrations, up 3-fold to 9k incidents last year.
The US govt follows the IHRA definition of anti-semitism, which all of these statements would fall under, so this twitter user complaining about the ADL is wrong.
Yeah the ADL may be using a much broader definition of what constitutes anti-semitism. I was previously looking at the below which was done a couple of years ago.
https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/pdf/10.1177/10659129221111081
I also suspect that the recency bias of social media plays a big part in perceptions. After Charlottesville, it was all about right wingers. In the present, the narrative is about left wing college kids.
It's funny seeing Syrian regime level rhetoric coming from US politicians against protestors they don't like.
Barrel bombs and sarin gas ? Concerning.
Yeah bombs and sarin gas are classified as "rhetoric". Smart comeback.
Yes, but rhetoric is often a pretext to action. Beyond a few morons like Tom Cotton and people like him who have called for police to arrest demonstrators, I haven't seen much in the way of Syrian regime rhetoric,.
Well looks like some University students are getting a taste of how free they are in the "free-est" country of the world.
Not to mention the free-est state of the free-est country.
Not to mention the free-est state of the free-est country.
Away from the ADL's definitions, I think there will be a noticeable increase in (editorializing here) actual anti-semitism of all kinds (left, right, islamist, whatever) since Oct 7. There's certainly been offensive chants outside synagogues by Palestinian protestors(Left or Islamist), while on the right Candace Owens and Elon-era bluechecks have embraced open Holocaust denialism.
I brought up the ADL because of its mainstream status and because the State Dept follows the IHRA definition which I think the ADL is applying.
"people getting paid to protest" "foreign governments are fueling these protests"
I don't think you understood what I was saying.
To the horror of decently minded people everywhere (and Jewish, people, of course).
As for the bold. It's not good enough any more. There are laws on the books for this thing. It is to the delight of pro-this-Israeli-regime people, inside and outside Israel, when the most insane of the racism is evident because it is weaponized as it has been for so long to shut-down genuine debate by insinuating that protestors are in some way anti-semitic when only the most minute number of them are.
It seems as if some people have a selective memory or can't remember how bad things were under Trump. This isn't necessarily an attack on him, more pointing out that there were countless incidents of racism, racial motivated.and provoked attacks, rallies, marches, vandalism etc...
Or does nobody remember the 'Jew will not replace us' chants during the Proud Boy marches or the Starr of David graffiti on building etc? Not to mention all the attacks against Islam and Muslims.
All of that was carried out by those on the far right.
Are they suddenly now all on the Israeli side? Or are they loving all this? I think an awful lot of what is being claimed to be antisemitic is actually just more those against the Israel government and forces and the way they are acting or Pro Palestinian support.
Or does nobody remember the 'Jew will not replace us' chants during the Proud Boy marches or the Starr of David graffiti on building etc? Not to mention all the attacks against Islam and Muslims.
All of that was carried out by those on the far right.
Are they suddenly now all on the Israeli side? Or are they loving all this? I think an awful lot of what is being claimed to be antisemitic is actually just more those against the Israel government and forces and the way they are acting or Pro Palestinian support.
Dreadful.
This is one of the most insane stories...
Northeastern University called in the cops to clear a pro-Palestine protest, referencing anti-semitism and explicitly quoted a chant, "kill the Jews".
A local news reporter at the scene said she did hear that ... from an pro-Israel counter-protester. She then provided a video of it. You can hear him say it, in the chant cadence, and when nobody responds, he adds "anybody on board?" So she asked the university about that. This is their response.
First, this constant lying, gaslighting, etc, it is designed to make you go mad. The more you allege conspiracy, the crazier you seem.
Second, why?? When the cops or military lie about things on video, it is because they don't want to admit to what they did. Nobody accused the university of chanting this. If they had stuck to unspecified anti-semitism, nobody could have challenged them on the facts, because there's no fact to challenge. If they retracted the part of the statement about that chant, they could still say it was an "illegal encampment". The Northeastern University spokesperson isn't appointed or beholden to Israel. Why is she responding like this? It just doesn't add up.
Northeastern University called in the cops to clear a pro-Palestine protest, referencing anti-semitism and explicitly quoted a chant, "kill the Jews".
A local news reporter at the scene said she did hear that ... from an pro-Israel counter-protester. She then provided a video of it. You can hear him say it, in the chant cadence, and when nobody responds, he adds "anybody on board?" So she asked the university about that. This is their response.
First, this constant lying, gaslighting, etc, it is designed to make you go mad. The more you allege conspiracy, the crazier you seem.
Second, why?? When the cops or military lie about things on video, it is because they don't want to admit to what they did. Nobody accused the university of chanting this. If they had stuck to unspecified anti-semitism, nobody could have challenged them on the facts, because there's no fact to challenge. If they retracted the part of the statement about that chant, they could still say it was an "illegal encampment". The Northeastern University spokesperson isn't appointed or beholden to Israel. Why is she responding like this? It just doesn't add up.
The scary thing is that if they actually shot someone, you know a very large portion of Americans would say that they had it coming, or believe whatever story the government tried to put out about "they started it". Nothing has changed.
One logical explanation for the insane reaction to the student protests is that college administrators are scared for their jobs after what happened to the presidents of Harvard and Pennsylvania. The politicians in the US are beholden to Israel. Look at someone like Ritchie Torres, who is going on an AIPAC-sponsored trip to Israel soon. He intends proposing a bill to appoint people to spy on students so they could catch them if they voice an anti-Israel sentiment.
One of the most insane things I've seen at the start of this whole thing was that exchange between Nemat Shafik and this congressman.
But it does make sense. He was threatening her, and her response was that of someone who took that threat seriously.
We treat countries that revers Islam as guidance for the country as extremist. And you see that in US constantly. How is that any different? Is just shocking.
I can understand a person that holds a high/influence position to be a believer of any religion/spiritual form. Even being scary, I can imagine that they believe that his actions and the actions of a country should be inside these beliefs but in secret. But voicing out these insanities is beyond ridiculous. How anything that these people do and say can be taken seriously is beyond me
I suppose that's one way of making sure the class is paying attention.
Multiple school districts have already said they will not allow their teachers to carry. Mark my word, I guarantee by this time next year the right wing nut jobs will have found a MAGA teacher (probably a PE teacher or coach) to sue their district.
The strange part is bad enough she did it in the first place. But, then to put the story in a book and now defend it like it makes her a "strong leader" capable of decision making is just nutty. She really thought telling this story would somehow endear her instead of confirming she's nuts.
Stranger things is, if this was Trump, nobody would bat an eyelid.
Hopefully when he goes, this stuff becomes the norm again of everybody rejecting someone's abhorrent behaviour
Hopefully when he goes, this stuff becomes the norm again of everybody rejecting someone's abhorrent behaviour
At first I thought "Ok, she had an aggressive dog put down after it continuously bit people. Unpleasant, but not out of the ordinary". Then I read an article in The Guardian about it. Yikers.
Good lord. Wirehairs and other pointers are the easiest dogs to train, if you can't manage that how can you run a state?