Just seen it on the replay and deleted the post. Look a certain dive live. But It's either a pen or a yellow for diving if the ref thinks there's no contact.He got kneed by the goalie
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Has Ten Hag been sacked yet? We're not sure and we hope not, but it's looking more likely as the days pass.
Who should replace him and why is it taking so long to make a decision?
Another one where KWP wins the ball but takes out the player recklessly at the same time and nothing is given.
Genuinely, what just happened to Garnacho was as bad as what Case did. I don't think KWP should be off, I just think it's absolutely insane that Case was sent off.
Excessive force only applies occasionally I see
Wait. Wait. Wait. Walkers-Peters follows through but thats not a card/foul?! Utter bullshit.
Plus, KWP's actually led to a (hopefully temporary) injury.
So scissor tackles are legal now? Injured Garnacho in the process. Got it.
Yeah I said on the match thread in the first half, slide tackles always endanger an opponent. The reason for the red is that those studs into the shins always look the worse; in reality you might see one of those cause serious injury per season. .
Another game ruined by VAR.
Once again. Once again. When will this stop.
Amazing how poor the ref was, not even managed to give Southampton a yellow for all their hacks and bullshit.
Proper corrupt.
Proper corrupt.
Best english ref my ass. Uefa/fifa should stop invite english ref to their tournament.
FA is Fecking corrupted
FA is Fecking corrupted
Rashford pen was decided within like 2 seconds it should not be checked, absolutely ridiculous. It is like Marriner decided up front that it wasnt a penalty
VAR should not be looked at in slow motion. Have you ever watched the boxing and seen someone get twatted slow motion? It looks like they've been hit by a train yet full speed it just looks a normal hit.
Exactly. Book him if you’re not giving anything.
Couldn't agree more. They don't run replays in slow motion in the NFL for this exact reason.
Clear and obvious my fecking arse.
I find it really frustrating and inexplicable when challenges like Casemiro are a red when others which are clearly more dangerous receive no punishment. He didn’t go in above the ball and didn’t go through the player to get it. If that’s deemed too dangerous then fine but apply the rule consistently.
How did they miss gk's touch on Rashford?
Officiating is not about accuracy, it's about PR: If they give a penalty to us today for the handball, you get crying and moaning from ABU pundits about the lad's hand being in a natural position. If you don't give the penalty? No headlines. No debates. Nothing. All the referees want is an easy life and there's nothing easy about giving United decisions in the tslksport and twitter era.
The level of officiating is at an all-time low. It is terrible at the moment. If we remove bias from it entirely, fans from every team are complaining about the quality of reffing. The level of hubris on display by the refs is amazing, which I guess is a byproduct of VAR. However, I do not see VAR itself as the problem. I am not against the technology but it is meant to remove doubt, not add to it.
Refs are professional and earn good money in the Premier League. At the moment they are stealing a living because almost every game I see multiple WTF decisions. And I am even talking about watching teams like Liverpool. Many of their games this season I have seen scandolous decisions against them. It is the same for City, Arsenal, or any other team. And yeah, that means it swings both ways and those teams - including United - have scandolous decisions for them too. But why should it swing at all at the level of regularity it currently is?
Refs are professional and earn good money in the Premier League. At the moment they are stealing a living because almost every game I see multiple WTF decisions. And I am even talking about watching teams like Liverpool. Many of their games this season I have seen scandolous decisions against them. It is the same for City, Arsenal, or any other team. And yeah, that means it swings both ways and those teams - including United - have scandolous decisions for them too. But why should it swing at all at the level of regularity it currently is?
It's simple. The refs go out of their way to be as harsh on United as the rules allow them to be, because otherwise there's an outrage campaign in the media. Anything a United player does is scrutinized to see if it's possible to punish them for it. If the ref gives United anything, they become the target of insane amounts of doubt and criticism by the largely Liverpool-led football media.
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It's so infuriating to see so many inconsistent decisions time and again. First the Cas sending off versus Palace for holding a player's neck, a week later, Pool-Everton players go at it, nothing. Today, yes, Cas did lunge in but he won the ball and it's momentum of that that carries his foot into the Southampton player. Yellow was fair, VAR thinks nope.
Absolutely garbage level of consistency.
Absolutely garbage level of consistency.
Martin Atkinson must have something to do with this.
Is the game too quick for referee's now?
Consistency is all I ask for.
There was 5 or 6 big, debatable decisions which all went against us today. None totally egregious, but every time the call went Southampton's way. There was a even a distinct similarity with some of the incidents, and we still couldn't get a decision our way.
But I knew we'd get a rough ride when I saw who the ref was, adding Marriner as VAR was like creating some kind of ABU VAR dream team.
I hope the manager roasts them hard.
There was 5 or 6 big, debatable decisions which all went against us today. None totally egregious, but every time the call went Southampton's way. There was a even a distinct similarity with some of the incidents, and we still couldn't get a decision our way.
But I knew we'd get a rough ride when I saw who the ref was, adding Marriner as VAR was like creating some kind of ABU VAR dream team.
I hope the manager roasts them hard.
4 minutes added time had me climbing the walls.
Garnacho down for quite some time and there was 5 breaks for substitutions.
The math doesn't add up it's as simple as that.
Garnacho down for quite some time and there was 5 breaks for substitutions.
The math doesn't add up it's as simple as that.
That boiled my blood. It was like he’d love to have given 3 minutes but knew that was too far so added a minute.
Especially considering the Fabinho red cards he’s avoided for much worse
Casimero has been sent off because of his name and his reputation. They can’t wait to book or send him off.
There was no difference between the tackle on Bruno in the box compared to the tackle Bruno made outside the box.
I could tell in the first 10 minutes how the ref was going to play, he literally gave them everything
Fabinho got away with worse last month.
Should have been a pen for the handball.
Should have been a pen for the handball.
The way VAR are so quick to check and disregard anything that could go our way is pathetic.
VAR is more trouble than it’s worth
4 match ban is excessive. The sport has become so soft. Team is already punished having to play a man down. Maybe suspend for the next match. No need for a multiple match ban for a tackle. Ridiculous.
feck the officials today. Ruined the match completely
Fabinho, saka, Leicester yesterday. You could make a list of 30-40 easily and do the same for softer penalties given than the handball today.
It genuinely stinks where this ref is concerned
Actually both were good tackles but obviously one set of rules for..
Great tackle. His studs are facing downward toward the ball.This is why it's a red, you can't fly in with with a stretched leg and studs showing like this even if you get the ball.
I would happily bin VAR. Yeah sometimes you get the right results, but there's too many ones where you creat wrong results that it makes it not worth it for me.
- Offsides - see Richarlisons goal yesterday. The thinnest of lines, chalks of perfectly reasonable goals time and time again. Infruriating.
- Slowed down tackles = red cards
- Microscopic analysis of handballs in the box = way more game deciding penalties
If they actually tackled these then it could work, but they don't, so for me it's a net negative
- Offsides - see Richarlisons goal yesterday. The thinnest of lines, chalks of perfectly reasonable goals time and time again. Infruriating.
- Slowed down tackles = red cards
- Microscopic analysis of handballs in the box = way more game deciding penalties
If they actually tackled these then it could work, but they don't, so for me it's a net negative
Especially considering how silly his first red card was.
Been a long while since I left Old Trafford so frustrated at the refereeing, which is at least an indication that VAR has made things better.
Not seen all the replays back yet, but the handball is baffling to me. Can understand why the referee didn't give it live, but no idea how the referee and the VAR assistant then don’t agree to review it subsequently.
Not seen all the replays back yet, but the handball is baffling to me. Can understand why the referee didn't give it live, but no idea how the referee and the VAR assistant then don’t agree to review it subsequently.