Lol, ok.
VAR - Not the hero we want, the one we need
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Lol, ok.
Definitely possible. Whichever image you use to decide, or range of, you can have it mapped automatically by a program which can then judge on or off when parameters have been set.
When the margin is so small, why is the benefit of doubt not considered ?
That makes it worse.
6. Two or three minutes delay in the game we all had to wait before enduring 1-5 above.
Does the program take into account the intricaties of offside like in the Liverpool vs Spurs when a defender unintentionally touching the ball last before a player should have still played him offside ?
It should be. They've just committed a huge controversy, which would have been avoided if they used a bit of common sense.
Due to the camera angle that would be an incorrect (albeit not as bad) way of doing it as well.
Normal replays the TV crews put out should be fine, surely. Quick with good accuracy.
It's a recommendation to assistants rather than a rule, but yeah:
"If an AR is not totally sure about an offside offence, the flag should not be raised."
Surely that should apply to the VA as well.
This does require the pitch lines to be perfect which some of them don't seem to be. But those blue lines
That took me 1minute in photoshop.
The very fact that image exists undermines the credibility of the people making those decisions. Any confidence in the technical process (how did they get it so bad?) and the decision making process (who showed it?) disappears at that point.
Whether or not that was the image used to make the decision is a total side issue. The reality is it was embarrassing at all levels.
They showed the 'actual call' image after the crap first image and it was just as bad
In this day and age with body/individual recognition software, I'd image all variables could be added once you have source material for a yes/no choice and the chain of rules which decide that process.
Even that'll be shite. A pause before people know they can celebrate a goal will piss all over the emotion of the game. And ignores 30/40 years of TV footage of multiple incidents being reviewed and debated for hours on end. VAR isn't capable of inventing a reality where everything caught on camera becomes immediately self-evident.
Makes it extremely unlikely to be a clear and obvious error
At least it's given us something other than the quality of football to concentrate on.
It is impossible to tell if he's offside or not! Therefore not offside..
This does require the pitch lines to be perfect which some of them don't seem to be. But those blue lines
That took me 1minute in photoshop.
If this is correct, then his knee is offside - as the defender’s hand doesn’t count. So right decision then - and VAR is correct, even though the evidence showed on the screen was ridiculous.
Exactly.
This really shouldn't be such a chore.
It must be possible to get flawlessly straight lines to assess the offside on. At that point the relevant part of the player's body either is or isn't breaching that line. There shouldn't be any need for "benefit of the doubt" at all.
It must be possible to get flawlessly straight lines to assess the offside on. At that point the relevant part of the player's body either is or isn't breaching that line. There shouldn't be any need for "benefit of the doubt" at all.
Some patience is needed. It's year zero. VAR is just starting and getting implemented. It's difficult to have everything spot on. It's a learning process and some tweaking will be made. We have VAR since the start of the league, there has been some problems but it has also contributed in a positive way in the majority of the calls. I definitely prefer to have the VAR system rather than the old system.
I don't doubt the technologie prowess but how it will judge the intent aspect of things is what I doubt most
It would be an assistant, not the ref. The ref could decide those more ambiguous decisions relating to intent and apply his own ruling in those situations.
I just assumed the technology would be more a bit more advanced, something similar to Hawk Eye. They should at the very least have extra pitch side camera's so they can make a definitive call.
Even with the wonky lines issue aside, why is that being referred to VAR in the first place?
It is, as predicted, fast becoming a way of chalking off goals. Are we really happy to eliminate every 'element of doubt' goal from the game?
They are obviously rushing it. The implementation is too clueless at the moment, this needs to be done on much more friendly matches and even youth games.
State of this.
Only thing worse than var is the football we're playing.
for uncertain situations like this it should really stay like the linesman saw it the moment in the game.
I am not against VAR but this was exact example of how not to use it. Shambles the person who reviewed it, not only it took him like 3 fecking minutes to review it, it was even incorrect call.
It took bt sports media guy 10seconds to show it
I am not yet allowed to post this on the matchday thread (or I would have).
For those saying otherwise, the VAR lines shouldn't actually be EXACTLY parallel to the box or sidelines (unless they run straight over them).
This is what the lines should look like in relation to one another (although less exaggerated than in this depiction due to the relative angles of the onlookers):
https://openclipart.org/download/216995/3d-perspective-grid-very-long.svg (apologies I cannot yet post images either)
As you can see, the lines, which are in reality parallel, seem to converge the further they are away from the viewer.
That said, the first set of lines on the VAR was comical- you have to wonder if it was a setup! :P
For those saying otherwise, the VAR lines shouldn't actually be EXACTLY parallel to the box or sidelines (unless they run straight over them).
This is what the lines should look like in relation to one another (although less exaggerated than in this depiction due to the relative angles of the onlookers):
https://openclipart.org/download/216995/3d-perspective-grid-very-long.svg (apologies I cannot yet post images either)
As you can see, the lines, which are in reality parallel, seem to converge the further they are away from the viewer.
That said, the first set of lines on the VAR was comical- you have to wonder if it was a setup! :P
Well assuming the image above is correct and the player's hand can't play him on, Mata was offside. If something isn't a goal then it isn't a goal. I'm quite happy to remove goals that shouldn't stand.
Exactly. If the margin is big enough and a mistake is made by the ref then by all means use VAR. This was cowardly by the refs. Hiding behind technology like that
I just double checked with the zoomed out image and yeah the line is 100% correct in my version. So he's offside then. Fair enough VAR, but ffs update your damn lines.
There is no grey in offside calls. It's off or it's on. The technology should have been implemented a long time ago.
Agree. I actually think incorrect/contentious decisions are all part of game.
This does require the pitch lines to be perfect which some of them don't seem to be. But those blue lines
That took me 1minute in photoshop.
Wait, hold up, are you trying to say those lines are correct?!
Today the linesman should only wave if he’s sure it an offside. If in doubt, let the play go on. In reality however, the linesman is always doing the opposite, waving the fcn flag all the time. With VAR my hope is that they allow the play to go on if in doubt and we get to see more goals.
Pitch lines = the lines in the grass Rado.
ffs I was going to say!