Tierney's been made VAR for Sunday apparently. Interesting move.
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Awful news. I met him once and had a lengthy chat with him about refereeing, as I officiate at cycling Events. He was a really nice, friendly, intelligent guy. I felt quite embarrassed about the stick I sometimes gave him when he was refereeing. Which I didn't mention of course, he is a big bloke!
They could have just left those two goals as the original calls, same outcome in the game, alot more exciting to watch, and some proper talking points for fans and pundits after it.
It just keeps taking too much away from the joy of watching the game live for me.
It just keeps taking too much away from the joy of watching the game live for me.
VAR Killing the 103 minute game for sure
So Paul Tierney is the VAR for the Manchester derby. After that last crap performance by him they are inviting a shitstorm . Why put him there a week later.
That’s PGMOL for you. Probably to save on travelling expenses, seeing as he's from Wigan.
Travelling expenses from that part of the world can be significant. The road from Wigan's dear.
The penalty against Arsenal yesterday was a terrible decision and cost them 2 vital points, if not for that and the officials not spotting the offside on Liverpool's winner in midweek the gap between first and second could have been only 7 points now
It's a very soft penalty but if there's contact var not getting involved. The Liverpool one is never offside under the current law in a million years. Stupid as that may be.
Scrapping VAR entirely still the way to go for me, its killing the game as entertainment. Just keep goal line tech, accept mistakes sometimes, back to a fast game again. Nor like the 103 minute bore fest we played v Spurs on Thursday.
The fact is was a bore fest wasn't down to VAR but down to the poor quality of the football and the teams.
I’d say that the revisions made to the offside law makes it offside and it’s exactly these types of situations they want to get rid of, as i don’t see how it falls under deliberate play. Through ball attempt from close distance to a player in an offside position, Everton player can’t really afford to let it go because he doesn’t know if the player is just onside and it’s within the box and would be an obvious goalscoring opportunity if he lets it roll past him. Yes, it’s not an offence in itself to stand in offside but the ball is played directly to him and his positioning forces the Everton player to make an attempt at blocking the pass.
Not sure how/if it changes anything that Jota gets the ball rather than it falling to Diaz, but i’d still argue it’s offside under the modifications they made.
https://www.thefa.com/football-rules-governance/lawsandrules/laws/football-11-11/law-11---offside
It's a difficult one, but in my opinion it should fall under "interfering with an opponent", but the way it's worded it doesn't cover it.
The penalty was a clear and obvious error so VAR should have overturned it and instructed the on-field ref to instead award a freekick to Arsenal for the initial foul on Lewis-Skelly.
On the Liverpool goal the player in an offside position was affecting the Everton player enough to be considered active so the goal should've been ruled out for Offside.
That was surely either a red or a pen
Expect it to be completely glossed over or forgotten because it’s United
There were other City defenders around
Silva deserved a booking for that foul on Bruno. Made no attempt to play the ball. Gets a stern talking to by the ref, Cas or Ugarte wouldn’t get away with that, or even Bruno himself.
There you go, that should’ve been Silva sent off.
Silva and dias should both be off. I think first foul was a pen. Today a perfect example of how poor passive reffing can dictate a match.
Another yellow not given. An absolute farce
I'm watching that over again and Kovacic clearly kicks Casemiro's foot after Casemiro has touched the ball.
Neville immediately on comms, 'nah, that's never a pen', almost before the slow motion has even been shown.
Isn't it a bit weird?
Neville immediately on comms, 'nah, that's never a pen', almost before the slow motion has even been shown.
Isn't it a bit weird?
It was such a timid game so people aren't worked up but it was 2 penalties and 2 red cards not given. Absolutely abysmal and Sky Sports pretended there was nothing to even discuss.
They're an absolutely horrible outlet and imo are some way compromised by city/uae
Yeah it is. It shows confirmation bias.
Could sense the ref didn’t want to make any calls that would impact the game. Should’ve been at least one pen per team and a couple reds if they were interested in actually enforcing the laws of the game.
Yeah, I mean at the time I was not convinced it was a pen, but it took me a few plays after the game to realise it should have been. Neville just immediately dismisses it and they move on having barely looked at it.
It was given as a goal kick so it implies they knew Case touched the ball.
Didn't most of the forum complain that the Sociedad pen was never a pen despite it being far more contact than today?
The Everton pen was way softer, Casemiro actually got kicked, fact that he exaggerated the fall shouldn’t factor into it. It was a clear pen to me, given some of the decisions that have been given this season.
I live midway between Manchester and Wigan. I should have put in more expense claims when I was working
The law as written might be stupid, but that'll never be given offside as is.
The law change was about deliberately, or not playing the ball to an attacker.
Not just standing still behind the offside line, you can also gain an advantage by being way behind the defence, so if another attacker breaks through onside, they can square it for a tap in.
Bernardo Silva should have been sent off in the Community Shield as well before he scored the equalizer that got them to penalties
Surely Casemiro penalty should be looked at again. About only place I can find is fan view from near me. I thought pen at time. Still looks pen from there.
Obvious penalty to me. Casemiro gets to the ball first and it wasn't a ridiculous touch he wouldn't be able to get on the end of. Kovacic takes a running boot at his standing leg and decides to jump into him for good measure.
Our fans are so self-flagellating at the minute City could have shot one of our players in the head and we'd be moaning they went down too easy.
This was a clear penalty by the way. Thought it at the time and had to laugh at how quickly the commentators dismissed it
United do that and it’s reviewed and then given, every time
I was in the Stretford End, so this happened right in front of me. Due to the speed it occurred, it was difficult to be 100% certain, but I thought it looked a pen.
This is the first time I've seen it back and it's an absolute disgrace that this wasn't awarded. Why do people think this is ok? If you are on a VAR duty and deem this not to be a penalty, you should be relieved of your duties. It's that simple. This is not acceptable. Why has nothing been made of this? No outrage on Sky I assume.
Looks a pen to me, from that angle, that game needed a goal, any goal...
That 100% gets given if it was in the United box.
Look at the one they gave against Hojlund in the same penalty box. Barely brushed Rodri yet they saw fit to bring it back 3 minutes or whatever it was.
I’ll be honest, it’s not the clearest penalty I’ve ever seen. The angle of contact is weird, as is Casemiro’s claim to be in control etc. Just a scrappy bit of play between two players?