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RB: Valencia, Darmian
CB: Bailly, Smalling, Lindelof, Jones
LB: Shaw, Rojo

DM: Carrick, Blind
I'd question the idea of Blind playing DM. Not that I disagree with it, but he hasn't played there since that early spell at the club, and Mourinho has shown no inclination to put him in there.
 

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I'd question the idea of Blind playing DM. Not that I disagree with it, but he hasn't played there since that early spell at the club, and Mourinho has shown no inclination to put him in there.
Hes a poor man carrick. He will always be a cover though
 

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Someone whose so rash in his tacking cant be trusted inside the box for long periods
I'm not going to start into a long debate over Rojo as we see it differently, my main point was that he's dreadful at LB and shouldn't be used there IMO.
 

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I'm not going to start into a long debate over Rojo as we see it differently, my main point was that he's dreadful at LB and shouldn't be used there IMO.
I am not interested in long debates about rojo either. All in saying is hes too rash to play as cb so its either lb or out. We are a top club and thats the standard set. We dont lower standards to keep players at home. Players has to step up or they leave.

I dont think its going to be too hard for rojo to do well either. Mou loves converted fullbacks. He will be basically a cb in a far less sensitive area
 
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Former teammate and editor on a pretty big swedish site for italian football is confirming: Victor to United is a done deal. He's playing his last game for Benfica tomorrow.

 

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Like the look of this lad. He can head the ball, which is great.
He's OK rather than fantastic in the air. However, he is quick, good in 1v1's and comfortable on the ball building up from the back.

For those who are familiar with him, which defender in the Premier League would you see him most similar to?
Koscielny wouldn't be a bad comparison in terms of style, although the Swede has a bigger frame. I think he could become a really good defender, and Mourinho knows what he's doing when it comes to CBs. Smalling's aerial prowess might perhaps make him a more natural partner than Bailly, at least in some games.
 

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I have a very hard time believing this. It just doesn't make any sense. I guess i believe it when I see the clubs confirm it. Until then, i just cant.
 

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I have a feeling Mourinho will start to shape our defence something similar to;

New LB
Lindelof
Jones
Bailly
Wait wait wait! Hold on, he isnt going to discard Shaw now. He had decent performances and is still young. He still has it in him to go big.
 

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Someone whose so rash in his tacking cant be trusted inside the box for long periods
I wish people would stop going on about this.

Sergio Ramos has like 80+ yellow cards in his Real Madrid career. He has the record amount of red cards in Real Madrid history and in general, is known to be a dirty bastard.

Yet the majority of football fans consider him one of the best CBs in the modern game. Captain material even.

Why is Rojo different...? Sounds like some people just don't want to admit they were wrong about him and are clutching for straws again. Those two "dirty" tackles are the only bad bits people can hang onto these days. And they weren't even that bad considering he didn't injure anybody.
 

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From watching the vids it's obvious that Jose is not just after a strong CB but his ability to pass the ball out from deep is far better than any of the CBs we have at the moment. And he's only 22, he can only improve with experience.

I can see a future Utd captain
 

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From watching the vids it's obvious that Jose is not just after a strong CB but his ability to pass the ball out from deep is far better than any of the CBs we have at the moment. And he's only 22, he can only improve with experience.

I can see a future Utd captain
Wow calm down dude
 

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I wish people would stop going on about this.

Sergio Ramos has like 80+ yellow cards in his Real Madrid career. He has the record amount of red cards in Real Madrid history and in general, is known to be a dirty bastard.

Yet the majority of football fans consider him one of the best CBs in the modern game. Captain material even.

Why is Rojo different...? Sounds like some people just don't want to admit they were wrong about him and are clutching for straws again. Those two "dirty" tackles are the only bad bits people can hang onto these days. And they weren't even that bad considering he didn't injure anybody.
Oh come on. It's not the 2 bad tackles;it's the fact that he's not a very good defender for Utd standard. Watch his poor positioning overall, he's been very lucky and he'd get torn apart against good opposition. Jones has made him look better than he is
 

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Oh come on. It's not the 2 bad tackles;it's the fact that he's not a very good defender for Utd standard. Watch his poor positioning overall, he's been very lucky and he'd get torn apart against good opposition. Jones has made him look better than he is
You're talking complete nonsense now.

Rojo has kept the likes of Sanchez, Lukaku, Benteke, Kane and Rondon in his pocket. He constantly covers for Darmian and calmly picks up the pieces, even dribbling it out of danger at times.

His positioning has been on point so I'm not sure what you're talking about, with all due respect. :confused:
 

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Oh come on. It's not the 2 bad tackles;it's the fact that he's not a very good defender for Utd standard. Watch his poor positioning overall, he's been very lucky and he'd get torn apart against good opposition. Jones has made him look better than he is
Are you serious ? Rojo has been fantastic against some top attackers.
 

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I wish people would stop going on about this.

Sergio Ramos has like 80+ yellow cards in his Real Madrid career. He has the record amount of red cards in Real Madrid history and in general, is known to be a dirty bastard.

Yet the majority of football fans consider him one of the best CBs in the modern game. Captain material even.

Why is Rojo different...? Sounds like some people just don't want to admit they were wrong about him and are clutching for straws again. Those two "dirty" tackles are the only bad bits people can hang onto these days. And they weren't even that bad considering he didn't injure anybody.
You are comparing Ramos to Rojo after 5-6 run of decent form after a season and a bit of meh. You cannot be serious.
 

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You are comparing Ramos to Rojo after 5-6 run of decent form after a season and a bit of meh. You cannot be serious.
They're similar players in terms of style... Ramos is the better player but the similaries are there.

Your post didn't exactly counter my opinion either or even explain why it's one rule for Ramos and another for Rojo... You just jumped to conclusions.

Rojo is a fairly successful player already, reaching 3 finals with Argentina in the past 2 years. What have our other defenders done on that stage?
 

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Wait wait wait! Hold on, he isnt going to discard Shaw now. He had decent performances and is still young. He still has it in him to go big.

Bailly was bought to be our Cb according to Jose. If anyone is going got make room for him, it'll be Jones.
 

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You're talking complete nonsense now.

Rojo has kept the likes of Sanchez, Lukaku, Benteke, Kane and Rondon in his pocket. He constantly covers for Darmian and calmly picks up the pieces, even dribbling it out of danger at times.

His positioning has been on point so I'm not sure what you're talking about, with all due respect. :confused:
He was the common scapegoat back in the day unfortunately. People seem unable to praise current form.

I've read the 'he can't play vs top talent' shit a few times this week. Not sure they know who he's played against.

He has been good. None of us know if he's capable of keeping it up. Maybe that's what scares people out of praising him.
 

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They're similar players in terms of style... Ramos is the better player but the similaries are there.

Your post didn't exactly counter my opinion either or even explain why it's one rule for Ramos and another for Rojo... You just jumped to conclusions.

Rojo is a fairly successful player already, reaching 3 finals with Argentina in the past 2 years. What have our other defenders done on that stage?
Look its simple judge our players on what they show for us. ADM and Romero have similar arguments to the one you have just posted. Rojo should not be compared to other than in hairstyles at this stage. Stop jumping the gun Rojo has more to prove much much more. He has not even shown the same level of form or over the time span that the much derided Smalling showed last season.
 

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Sometimes it seems like any of our CBs who show a run of good form immediately start getting overhyped while any of them who show a run of bad form immediately start getting scapegoated. Pretty sure it's happened to all of Smalling, Blind, Jones and Rojo.

The reality is that they're probably all good when on form but not good enough to sustain that form for long enough to be top CBs. Mourinho could sell any of those four without it really being a surprise, which tells me that none of them have done enough.
 

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Personally I've seen enough of Rojo at CB even before this great run of form to say that he's a valued part of our side/squad when played there. At centre back he has usually always tended to do well for us, never understood the moving him about (apart from during our injury crises under LVG), it was never rocket science imo. As I've already said I don't see the need for Lindelof right now at all but it looks as though it's happening so let's hope for the best.
 

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Sometimes it seems like any of our CBs who show a run of good form immediately start getting overhyped while any of them who show a run of bad form immediately start getting scapegoated. Pretty sure it's happened to all of Smalling, Blind, Jones and Rojo.

The reality is that they're probably all good when on form but not good enough to sustain that form for long enough to be top CBs. Mourinho could sell any of those four without it really being a surprise, which tells me that none of them have done enough.
Rojo, Blind and Smalling are all at ages where they should be very consistent but you'd always think there's a risk of them having a stinker, out of the blue. No matter how good they are at their best. Which is not what you want in a CB who will win you titles.

Jones is a bit different because he's at an age where he'll get a lot more consistent if (massive if) he can stay fit.

So yeah, signing another CB does make sense. If he's really top class. I have no idea how good this guy is but Jose's eye for a CB is second to none. Has he ever signed one who wasn't excellent, at any club ever?!
 

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Will be honest,never heard of this guy,which is actually good thing,so wont judge a player.
 

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Rojo, Blind and Smalling are all at ages where they should be very consistent but you'd always think there's a risk of them having a stinker, out of the blue. No matter how good they are at their best. Which is not what you want in a CB who will win you titles.

Jones is a bit different because he's at an age where he'll get a lot more consistent if (massive if) he can stay fit.

So yeah, signing another CB does make sense. If he's really top class. I have no idea how good this guy is but Jose's eye for a CB is second to none. Has he ever signed one who wasn't excellent, at any club ever?!
Ben Haim and Boulahrouz? :nervous:
 

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Rojo, Blind and Smalling are all at ages where they should be very consistent but you'd always think there's a risk of them having a stinker, out of the blue. No matter how good they are at their best. Which is not what you want in a CB who will win you titles.

Jones is a bit different because he's at an age where he'll get a lot more consistent if (massive if) he can stay fit.

So yeah, signing another CB does make sense. If he's really top class. I have no idea how good this guy is but Jose's eye for a CB is second to none. Has he ever signed one who wasn't excellent, at any club ever?!
He tried hard for Stones, does that count?
 

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I wish people would stop going on about this.

Sergio Ramos has like 80+ yellow cards in his Real Madrid career. He has the record amount of red cards in Real Madrid history and in general, is known to be a dirty bastard.

Yet the majority of football fans consider him one of the best CBs in the modern game. Captain material even.

Why is Rojo different...? Sounds like some people just don't want to admit they were wrong about him and are clutching for straws again. Those two "dirty" tackles are the only bad bits people can hang onto these days. And they weren't even that bad considering he didn't injure anybody.
In which role mou played ramos in exactly?

Ps ramos never impressed me as a cb and those two dirty tackles were two automatic red cards and a potential loss of 6 points
 
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I'm surprised so many on here are so quick to decide they don't want him

Okay, he could end up being a flop. But he could also join and turn into the next great United CB like Stam or Vidic.

If the stories are true and United are willing to spend close to £40m on him, then they clearly suspect the latter is very possible.
 

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I think he's great. Good on the ball. Beast in the air. Seems to be a leader. Still has to develop but definitely one for the future.

Never watched him before btw.
 

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I'm surprised so many on here are so quick to decide they don't want him

Okay, he could end up being a flop. But he could also join and turn into the next great United CB like Stam or Vidic.

If the stories are true and United are willing to spend close to £40m on him, then they clearly suspect the latter is very possible.
People actually dont want competition gor their darlings because they know that they will end up in the losing end.
 
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