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Klopp's Liverpool is one of the most likeable teams around. Nothing wrong in liking this team. Relax.Supports Neutral.
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Klopp's Liverpool is one of the most likeable teams around. Nothing wrong in liking this team. Relax.Supports Neutral.
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Not on a Man Utd fan forum.Klopp's Liverpool is one of the most likeable teams around. Nothing wrong in liking this team. Relax.
Shut up you WUMBrilliant brilliant performance. Absolute colossus of a Centre Back.
Has it all. One of the most complete Centre Backs you'll ever see.
Calm, clutch and a great leader. Just has that invincible aura around him. That presence cannot be replaced.
One of the very best I have seen.
Of all the feckin things I've read today, having to read this is something else. Likeable? Are you having a laugh?Klopp's Liverpool is one of the most likeable teams around. Nothing wrong in liking this team. Relax.
I think one important factor is that they are competing against a financially doped state funded sportwashing machine. So compared to them, atleast they are a real Football Club. Klopp deserves more respect than the pretentious neurotic Pep.Of all the feckin things I've read today, having to read this is something else. Likeable? Are you having a laugh?
Ferdinand, at his very peak, was the best CB in the world. Just as good a defender as Terry and better with the ball at his feet than Van Dijk.If I had to pick a 'at their best PL 11', I'd probably have him in there, alongside Terry
Rio, Stam, Vidic, Campbell, Terry, Carvalho, Kompany are all above him. They had several consecutive quality seasons rather than a couple of very good seasons, followed by one off season.If I had to pick a 'at their best PL 11', I'd probably have him in there, alongside Terry
Ferdinand was better than Terry for me. Carvahlo though no chance he is better than VVD, was a great CB but there’s not much he did better than VVD, and VVD has athleticism and aerial prowess over him.Ferdinand, at his very peak, was the best CB in the world. Just as good a defender as Terry and better with the ball at his feet than Van Dijk.
Carvalho was also a much better defender with a better CV in football.
Van Dijk hasn’t even been at a top club for 6 years.
Standing off and being passive so you are never the defender who has to commit doesn’t make him the best of the PL era. No way.
Football is a funny game. He has scored a goal while being marked by a left back in a game against a clueless attack, and the plaudits come out.
If I had to pick a 'at their best PL 11', I'd probably have him in there, alongside Terry
Brilliant brilliant performance. Absolute colossus of a Centre Back.
Has it all. One of the most complete Centre Backs you'll ever see.
Calm, clutch and a great leader. Just has that invincible aura around him. That presence cannot be replaced.
One of the very best I have seen.
Stam had 3 seasons at United.Rio, Stam, Vidic, Campbell, Terry, Carvalho, Kompany are all above him. They had several consecutive quality seasons rather than a couple of very good seasons, followed by one off season.
And all 3 were quality. He never had an off season like Van Dijk did last season.Stam had 3 seasons at United.
That’s true but VVD has probably had more good seasons in the PL than he has, Stam had good seasons in the Serie A at a time it was arguably best league in the world though which counts for something overall, but PL alone there wouldn’t be a great disparity between him and VVD.And all 3 were quality. He never had an off season like Van Dijk did last season.
Good choice. Though Ferdinand over Vidic for me.I think Vidic is the best PL defender of all time
Kompany isn’t in a company that includes Van Dijk, level below. Van Dijk is only competing with Terry, Vidic and Rio there, and only Vidic is better imo.Rio, Stam, Vidic, Campbell, Terry, Carvalho, Kompany are all above him. They had several consecutive quality seasons rather than a couple of very good seasons, followed by one off season.
Carvalho was a fantastic defender! He didn’t have the athleticism but he knew how to stop even the greatest of attackers from scoring.Ferdinand was better than Terry for me. Carvahlo though no chance he is better than VVD, was a great CB but there’s not much he did better than VVD, and VVD has athleticism and aerial prowess over him.
We eulogise players from the past but if you were to go back and watch every single game of them you’ll probably be surprised to how much time makes you forget all the faults they had.
Ferdinand is the best CB in PL, Stam Terry VVD Terry Vidic not far behind.
Why would you say this? A lot of posters on here agree but I always put Ferdinand above because I think he is a CB that could fit into all systems and playing styles and would still look the part as good as he was even in a Guardiola style team with an incredibly high line, that for me counts for something and why I put him above Terry and Vidic who together are probably the best 3 in PL years.I think Vidic is the best PL defender of all time
I always rated Kompany. Helped get City over the line in some tight title races.Kompany isn’t in a company that includes Van Dijk, level below. Van Dijk is only competing with Terry, Vidic and Rio there, and only Vidic is better imo.
That’s true but he was also playing a Chelsea team that had Makelele, Essien, Geremi, shielding the back and four and ina time where deeper lines were the vogue, Mourinho’s Chelsea were very defensive compared to the top teams of today.Carvalho was a fantastic defender! He didn’t have the athleticism but he knew how to stop even the greatest of attackers from scoring.
He has a CL win with Porto under his belt and was crucial to a Chelsea team that conceded only 15 goals in an entire Premier League season.
Can’t agree with him not being at the top table. He was the best pure defender and had the most guile of all of them.
In all fairness he is right. They power up against the oil money with sheer team spirit and dedicationOf all the feckin things I've read today, having to read this is something else. Likeable? Are you having a laugh?
TrollBrilliant brilliant performance. Absolute colossus of a Centre Back.
Has it all. One of the most complete Centre Backs you'll ever see.
Calm, clutch and a great leader. Just has that invincible aura around him. That presence cannot be replaced.
One of the very best I have seen.
Kompany was a likeable player but was he ever going to be in with a sniff of top 3 Ballon d’Or or footballer of the year? I would say Kompany was never considered among the best CBs in the world whereas Van Dijk has.I always rated Kompany. Helped get City over the line in some tight title races.
Van Dijk is a level below Rio, Vidic and Terry. For me, he's in the Carvalho, Campbell and Kompany category, and I'd rate all of them higher than him overall.
The ideal of Ferdinand is great and the ultimate defender. In reality, I think Vidic was more effective, more consistent. For example, Ferdinand had more lapses in concentration and his decision making wasn’t as good as Vidic imo, which is something that can’t be measured by just looking at pace or ability on the ball.Why would you say this? A lot of posters on here agree but I always put Ferdinand above because I think he is a CB that could fit into all systems and playing styles and would still look the part as good as he was even in a Guardiola style team with an incredibly high line, that for me counts for something and why I put him above Terry and Vidic who together are probably the best 3 in PL years.
Go and wash your mouth out with soapHe s a bit arrogant yes but I also miss having mascot like players like that at United. He s a leader and a smart man too when you see his interviews.
feck...second nice thing i said about Pool today. Make it stop.
Pretty sure most non-Liverpool fans don't like the way he constantly berates the officials on the touchline, or how he talks down to people in press conferences whenever they dare to say something that doesn't brown-nose him.Ofcourse, United fans won't like Klopp but he's generally likeable in my opinion.
If you’re going to stay here you can quit the neutral nonsense and admit you’re a Liverpool fanI think one important factor is that they are competing against a financially doped state funded sportwashing machine. So compared to them, atleast they are a real Football Club. Klopp deserves more respect than the pretentious neurotic Pep.
Ofcourse, United fans won't like Klopp but he's generally likeable in my opinion.
‘Neutral’I think one important factor is that they are competing against a financially doped state funded sportwashing machine. So compared to them, atleast they are a real Football Club. Klopp deserves more respect than the pretentious neurotic Pep.
Ofcourse, United fans won't like Klopp but he's generally likeable in my opinion.
Let's not start using the 'top 3 in the Ballon d'Or' argument. Unless you think that because Jorginho was 3rd in the Ballon d'or in 2021, that means he was a better midfielder than Scholes ever was.Kompany was a likeable player but was he ever going to be in with a sniff of top 3 Ballon d’Or or footballer of the year? I would say Kompany was never considered among the best CBs in the world whereas Van Dijk has.
I get your point about his athleticism but Carvalho didn’t shirk challenges and was very physical and proactive about winning the ball, something that can’t be said about Van Dijk. As much as he was shielded at Chelsea, Van Dijk is very often the last defender, preferring to sit back and pass it around and leaving others to engage.That’s true but he was also playing a Chelsea team that had Makelele, Essien, Geremi, shielding the back and four and ina time where deeper lines were the vogue, Mourinho’s Chelsea were very defensive compared to the top teams of today.
Still the best team defensively in PL history collectively, but if you actually look at each individual and analyse it Carvahlo had more weaknesses than VVD for me. Pace and athleticism being probably the biggest and to be fair only one, but it’s still a weakness he had.
Vidic was a defender who never shied away from engagement. He sticks his neck into the tough situationsWhy would you say this? A lot of posters on here agree but I always put Ferdinand above because I think he is a CB that could fit into all systems and playing styles and would still look the part as good as he was even in a Guardiola style team with an incredibly high line, that for me counts for something and why I put him above Terry and Vidic who together are probably the best 3 in PL years.
Nah. VVD is one of the best, as is Carvalho, Terry, Vidic, Rio, Stam, Campbell, Adams etc. Nothing wrong with saying he's very good, he is.I get your point about his athleticism but Carvalho didn’t shirk challenges and was very physical and proactive about winning the ball, something that can’t be said about Van Dijk. As much as he was shielded at Chelsea, Van Dijk is very often the last defender, preferring to sit back and pass it around and leaving others to engage.
What he lacked in speed, he certainly made up for in physicality and won headers against taller opposition frequently. Crucially, he could also play and was a very good passer.
I think he read the game better than Van Dijk too. As much as we romanticize the past, we hype up the present far too often in social media vacuums and the constant daily content we all receive.
The media bias for Liverpool is very real and they were salivating over the win today. That same media has been overhyping Van Dijk as a player for the last 5 years. He is just too passive for me to include among the very best. Defenders who actually defended.
I reckon Van Dijk is better on the ball. Today’s game demands a lot more with elite sides making many more passes and looking for more line-breaking distribution from their CBs. In playing off the left as a right-footed CB, Van Dijk has to be able to open up the play both on his left side and spray it stepping onto his right, which demands a lot imo.Ferdinand, at his very peak, was the best CB in the world. Just as good a defender as Terry and better with the ball at his feet than Van Dijk.
That’s true, the bar was definitely lower, but as I said above, van Dijk has a very passive style that gifts him more time in possession and means other defenders often engage the opposition before he does.I reckon Van Dijk is better on the ball. Today’s game demands a lot more with elite sides making many more passes and looking for more line-breaking distribution from their CBs. In playing off the left as a right-footed CB, Van Dijk has to be able to open up the play both on his left side and spray it stepping onto his right, which demands a lot imo.
Rio came through he was lauded for his skillset on the ball, but that was set against a relatively low bar. His ability there might be underrated even because he didn’t age well. But most defenders nowadays boast superior passing ranges and technique to the majority of those who came before.