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I tend to agree. I don't think he has that explosive burst that used to get him extra time and space against defenders. I think he could evolve into a quality midfield player.
Arguably, Scholes' best ever season was 02/03 and not simply because he scored 20 goals, he was just the catalyst for almost everything we did with his passing and movement. He used to play off Ruud usually in front of Keane and Veron? Now because in the last 5/6 years Scholes has played a lot deeper they don't think it's plausible to say Rooney can step into his shoes, but when he plays well he's probably the most similar player to a younger Scholes that's out there.I've said for ages, he should be used as a natural replacement for Paul Scholes.
He's always had the range of passing required for a midfield player, he tracks back well and would get forward and support the way a younger Scholes used to.
I think if you have Rooney and RVP in the same side, you play Rooney deep. No, he's not Zidane, and he's not going to split defences with one pass that much, but hardly anyone in football can.So considering your summary of his creative strengths and limitations, do you genuinely feel they are of such a level that they should take priority over his obvious goal-scoring ability?
I think there are some untruths about Rooney's best role being as a #10. Rooney, while being a good passer for a striker, has never been renowned for being particularly creative I don't think. The notion that he's best suited to the role of a second-striker has been around for many years, and if people remember correctly, it was largely put down to his ability and or willingness to run at defenders that caused people to feel he was best utilised slightly deeper. Never been about his creativity as such. I think as he has been less willing or able to run at defenders, his best role is certainly furthest forward, on the end of chances. I think it is clear, for instance, that someone like Shinji has a more specialised skillset to be a central 'creator' than Rooney.
But there's no real difference between where Scholes played in that set-up and how Rooney plays as a withdrawn striker anyway.Arguably, Scholes' best ever season was 02/03 and not simply because he scored 20 goals, he was just the catalyst for almost everything we did with his passing and movement. He used to play off Ruud usually in front of Keane and Veron? Now because in the last 5/6 years Scholes has played a lot deeper they don't think it's plausible to say Rooney can step into his shoes, but when he plays well he's probably the most similar player to a younger Scholes that's out there.
The instinct to pop up for goals, he can score a screamer, his long range passing is wonderful. Rooney can overplay things and be wasteful at times, but when comparing him to Scholes, you will always pick up a flaw or two because Scholes is/was the most talented British player of his generation.
Those 9 games included some of the matches in the title run in and the cup final. It certainly seemed logical to play him and Stam at the back, with Johnsen and Butt in midfield, Giggs on the left and Becks on the right. Looking back at how we looked for most of the game, we probably SHOULD have done that.May had just 9 appearances that season. We were really out of options
May had just 9 appearances that season. We were really out of options
I remember Jesper's old interview stating that he played the CL final despite being injured + it costed him his career. It was certainly his last game with the club
I assume after our last game. I hope all this will be all certain within a month.I wonder when we'll hear more news on the situation, I really hope it doesn't drag on and on.
Except that I'd waaaaaay rather have the Scholes from 02/03 than the Rooney of now filling that role.But there's no real difference between where Scholes played in that set-up and how Rooney plays as a withdrawn striker anyway.
That's just what some of the articles said regarding the chat that he and Fergie had. They said that Fergie told him he'll talk to him after the West Brom game after Rooney asked about his future role in the team/squad. Could be bullshit, but it is likely they'll talk then anyway.Where did you get that from?
Well given he is a striker, how on earth can he be seen as a 'natural' replacement for Scholes? If he does replace him, it will be a very unnatural replacement.I've said for ages, he should be used as a natural replacement for Paul Scholes.
He's always had the range of passing required for a midfield player, he tracks back well and would get forward and support the way a younger Scholes used to.
So was Evra.Scholes was once a striker.
That's an unfair comparison as Rooney's in poor form.Except that I'd waaaaaay rather have the Scholes from 02/03 than the Rooney of now filling that role.
So was Rio.You know that point is totally irrelevant because Evra was never a top-class forward at a proper level. What is it with some folk on here?!
Up until the age of 27?Scholes was once a striker.
As was Welbeck.So was Evra.
He's a greedy soppy-bollocks?I don't think anyone knows what his reasons for wanting away are.
Alan Smith.You know that point is totally irrelevant because Evra was never a top-class forward at a proper level. What is it with some folk on here?!
Zing.As was Welbeck.
So was O'Shea.You know that point is totally irrelevant because Evra was never a top-class forward at a proper level. What is it with some folk on here?!
Well I suppose that's true.He's a greedy soppy-bollocks?
No change in his actual contract status, but there has been some movement on here: we've now convinced ourselves that he's not only a greedy cnut and a terrible human being who hates Man United, but also a functional alcoholic who's terrible at football and can no longer run. Not to mention that he orchestrated the entire timing of Fergie's retirement, as part of his sinister masterplan, despite being thick as pigshit.So has this moved on at all or are we in just the same place we were on Sunday?
Out! GET HIM OUT!No change in his actual contract status, but there has been some movement on here: we've now convinced ourselves that he's not only a greedy cnut and a terrible human being who hates Man United, but also a functional alcoholic who's terrible at football and can no longer run. Not to mention that he orchestrated the entire timing of Fergie's retirement, as part of his sinister masterplan, despite being thick as pigshit.
Funnily enough, Barca could probably do with a bit of "av it" from time to time.When I picture Rooney joining Barcelona, all I can think of is their training sessions being like that John Smiths advert.
Messi plays with it a bit, passes to Iniesta who does some stepovers and keepy-uppys, then to Dani Alves who catches it on the back of his neck then flicks it to Rooney.. PUNT.. "Av it"
Vastly superior to his actual name.Newbs have also decided that Barca will swap him for Thiago Alishazaam or whatever his name is.
Straight from the FA coaching manual.Funnily enough, Barca could probably do with a bit of "av it" from time to time.
That's such an unfair example, he's played in virtually every position at top level, they don't call him the Mr. Versatile for nothing.So was O'Shea.
Exactly! Because Rooney's such a guileless oaf with a football.When I picture Rooney joining Barcelona, all I can think of is their training sessions being like that John Smiths advert.
Messi plays with it a bit, passes to Iniesta who does some stepovers and keepy-uppys, then to Dani Alves who catches it on the back of his neck then flicks it to Rooney.. PUNT.. "Av it"
As was Welbeck.
Swap? You mean give us as a token of appreciation with CASHHH€€€€€€Newbs have also decided that Barca will swap him for Thiago Alishazaam or whatever his name is.