De Gea's performance was on a fast decline before Ole was appointed at United. Just look back at De Gea in the 2018 world cup as an example.
I clearly said Ole's coaching team. But twist it to what makes you feel like you have a point.
Slightly short sighted wasn't de dea pitiful last season under ole? Think it was de geas own initiative to improve and come back as uniteds number one this season, you can't realistically believe ole has credit for this along with Shaw mourinho destroyed his Confidence not his ability so with a arm around him he would always be back to his best,ole is a poor manager that would not get a job in the prem if it wasn't for him playing for united,he is tactically shit and his game management is just as bad,to his credit he has been what has been needed for the club over the last couple of seasons in regards to getting the good feelings back internally and recruitment back on track but we will see this season how out of his depth he is,the next 6 games will be telling,I have little confidence unless we get moments of magic like yesterday from individuals,were going to have a hard time,ole was needed to do the same job as Lampard and then as xhelsea did we will need to take that step up in coaching ability to be competitive,I wouldn't want to see him humiliated as he is a repectable man but when everyone starts judging him on the job he is paid very well to do with the quality in the group and what he is turning out I can see it getting messy
Up until the goal against Villa, we were up there with city and chelsea for the only clubs who didn't conceded from a set piece this season.
Or it's just DDG shaken badly mentally by that disastrous World Cup campaign despite coming into it off a heroic season.
We had the worst % of goals conceded from set pieces. Even worse than Leeds.
1) We're not improved, we've statistically gotten worse year on year when it comes to goals conceded from set pieces. This isn't a debate, just a fact.
Nice to see someone actually put forward arguments other than "I'm not going to bother making an argument in an online discussion forum because it's easier to just insult you.".Hahahahaha. This is gold.
Ffs, Sancho has played 5 or 6 games. How about we wait and see what happens.
It goes both ways I guess. Lingard lost his form at United, went to West Ham and got it back. So full credit for Moyes for improving him and was it due to Ole that he played so badly before? No it is not. It is as you say personal struggles. DeGea was a top keeper and got his form back. The same with Lingard. Moyes did not coach him any better than what he learnt at United.
post of the year. ExcellentHe won't and he can't. He has very specific biases and that will cost him. SAF was ruthless in the right moments, I don't see that with Ole. And to compare him to SAF is so wrong, as SAF won big trophies while Ole has been mediocre manager. He would be treated differently if he would not be a former player with legendary status
Every one has their own opinion of things, so I'm willing to listen and respond to people who engage in sensible debate!1) We're not improved, we've statistically gotten worse year on year when it comes to goals conceded from set pieces. This isn't a debate, just a fact.
2) The argument is Ole isn't improving & even if we have had the odd good result we have, again statistically, gotten worse results against the top teams the longer Ole has been in charge.
3) It's not Ole's job to make money but by that logic we should never sell anybody? Why refuse the sale of a player you've no intention of using when you could use the sale to raise funds for a purchase of a player that you actually think will improve your squad?
4) Ok I guess you're just agreeing with me here that it's stupid to be using him as an inverted forward instead of on the right where he could be more creative.
5) Agreed but we haven't looked any closer to the answer in 3 years.
6) I'd have to look deeper into this to debate it further but I suspect Ole used more players but for less minutes if that makes sense. i.e if we have a squad of 26 and play 11 players for 36 games and 15 players get 1 or 2 games then we've statistically used more players than a squad of 22 that gave all 22 players 19 games each. It wouldn't tell the whole picture about our rotation though. I also think Liverpool are a poor example because they've been widely criticised for lack of rotation for years & everyone predicted they'd burn out and run into an injury crisis as they did last year so they're hardly the standard for rotation.
7) Yea, we've only been after a midfielder this season. That's bad on its own because it was clear we've needed one from the start of his reign. DVB was brought in instead of Grealish remember so he wasn't even intended as a CDM that just didn't work out.
8) Idk if it's fair to say we laughed at LvG for having a philosophy but now we want Ole to have one. There's a difference between having no philosophy, having a bad philosophy & having a good one. LvG had a philosophy that was too rigid & didn't work, that doesn't mean having a philosophy in general doesn't work as evidenced by all the most successful managers in the world right now currently having clear identities on the pitch.
9) We're pretty much in agreement here, I did say he has won games with his changes, just that he too often leaves it too late. Too many times it clearly isn't working after 60 minutes & we then waste the 61st-80th minutes watching it continue to not work as it hadn't in the previous hour before making a final 10 minute sub. It wouldn't hurt to change things after 60 minutes if we're clearly going nowhere.
10) I think it's disingenuous to say we're learning because we beat Villarreal when we had previously lost to them. If you watch both games back to back we were poor in both but we were actually much worse in the game that we won. We should have been 4 or 5 goals down by half time and only hung on by the grace of God. That example is actually more evidence of a backwards step than anything. If we played the Villarreal Europa League final 10 times we'd probably have won it 5 out of 10 times as it was just a 50:50 game that ended 11-10 on penalties. If we replay last nights game 10 times we probably win it 1 out of 10 times because we were put to the sword all night.
11) My opinion on players out of position currently is Pogba as a LW, Sancho isn't totally out of position at LW but would best suit us at RW, McTominay isn't a CDM and never will be so he's most definitely out of position, Fred isn't a natural CDM, never played as a DM for Shaktar & has said himself that he wasn't a CDM but he's trying to learn the roll (he's literally said this within the last 2 weeks), Martial seemingly can't be decided upon whether he's a striker or a winger although that seems like it'll be a non-issue this season because I don't see him getting much game time. I probably forgot one or two people here but you get my point.
12) I was referring to last night when talking about Lindelof, not the season in general. When it's not him it's Maguire playing the long ball straight over the top. As for whether I think we have a style and it's hoofball or we don't have a style I don't know. Are we just long balling it because we don't have a style in place & so it's just a punt by the players on the pitch or is it just that they're being told to long-ball it? I don't know which it is but I don't care either to be honest as either way is completely unacceptable.
I enjoyed your responses btw
I think the idea of playing wide players who cut in is to allow the fullbacks to get forward and create an overload in the middle, hence giving the space out wide.
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I agree with this – it is criminal to have players like Cavani or Ronaldo upfront, and barely give them a single decent cross off of which to attack. Especially early crosses as their movement is so good. As soon as we cut back, slow things down, we lose their biggest strengths.
This is exactly right.
“ole was needed to do the same job as Lampard”
Honestly, I see this totally the other way, I think our problem is a lack of control. We have too many players whose first thought is to make the quick risky forward pass instead of thinking 4 or 5 passes ahead. Yes you might make a couple more chances per game like that, but the price is that is that you leave the door open for the opposition.
'Kin hell. Did the coaching staff need Cristiano Ronaldo to tell them that??? Was it not blatantly obvious for the last 8 years that slow zombie passing in the final third is a problem for us?
If it's taken them 3 years and a player literally telling them to identify that we need to play faster football, then Ole and his staff are worse than I thought. This is nothing but PR, same with that rubbish before the season how we'd play a more 'attacking 433' it's been the same dire tactics/formation despite spending a further 150m on an already very impressive squad.
I feel like “get the ball to the attackers more quickly” probably means more direct/long balls. I think we have enough of that already…
What a masterpiece. I was half expecting the son to mention something about desire, passion and fight.
This is probably the best post in the history of redcafe
Yeah, I'm not talking about goals conceded this season. I know it's only that one against Villa, but we don't look that solid, even when we don't concede. Like last season.
