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Sure, as you see it fit mate. Alex alright.
Yeah, cos that's his feckin name.
And for your information, cos I bet you don't know this... it's pronounced Alec, not Alecs.
Sure, as you see it fit mate. Alex alright.
I don't think nuance is needed when talking about SAF's achievement. No second guessing required really. It's like debating if Margot Robbie is attractive. There is no debate.Ha ha... Don’t know who you try to fool..
United was never lower than nr.4 with Ron (1981-1986) and won FA-cup in 83 and 85. He was fired after two months into the 86/87 season.
I’m a fan of United and SAF, but I’m not pretending SAF is God or a wizard. Even though I’m fan of SAF, I try to be balanced and nuanced.
Have Googled Can Confirm.I don't think nuance is needed when talking about SAF's achievement. No second guessing required really. It's like debating if Margot Robbie is attractive. There is no debate.
When you say he's "probably" one of the greatest managers I'd be interested to hear who you think is definitely one of the greatest.
We aren’t debating SAF’s success and achievement. It’s about SAF taking over a consistent top-4 team and also him needed time to build up what became one of the best teams in the world. He wasn’t a miracle man from the beginning, but had to develop the club step by step.I don't think nuance is needed when talking about SAF's achievement. No second guessing required really. It's like debating if Margot Robbie is attractive. There is no debate.
When you say he's "probably" one of the greatest managers I'd be interested to hear who you think is definitely one of the greatest.
I have heard this too but have never seen a direct quote attributable to him. Bunkum most likely.Didn't Ole say he doesn't coach the team?
Absolutely no idea.How is this garbage thread still going?
Honestly it reads more that you're not that keen on SAF. I know you say you're "a fan", which in itself is slightly strange for a United supporter to say.We aren’t debating SAF’s success and achievement. It’s about SAF taking over a consistent top-4 team and also him needed time to build up what became one of the best teams in the world. He wasn’t a miracle man from the beginning, but had to develop the club step by step.
You'll notice most of the posters keeping this car crash going are those that think half of our squad is shit and predicted us to finish outside the top 4. Its really inconvenient for them that we're in 2nd.Absolutely no idea.
I think it's now officially replaced the ole in/out thread.
Round and round we go.
Yeah like I thought you are clueless about United. That is one of the dumbest comments I've read on the caf.?? I’m aware of his achievements from old days but I’m talking about modern football.
Seems like people think United was a nobody when SAF took over. He probably took over a club in better condition than Ole, but still it took him 6y to improve the whole system, hereby also improving the squad and the culture.
Off course SAF was the architect behind the restructuring, but it also shows success depends on a good system (academy and so on) and also that it takes time to restructure a club and build a competitive squad.
At the same time I don’t think the best academy can guarantee a generation like the class of 92. SAF did it right, but at the same time: if you are good enough, you are old enough. Maybe they were to good to be ignored.
I already said I’m a fan of SAF and consider him as one of the best managers of his time.
My point is that success or failure isn’t a one man show. Success is a result of both a good system, manager, academy and quality players. This isn’t done over night or a couple of years.
He left us as champions. The squad needed rebuilding he knew that when he left it and part of the reason why he retired when he did was because he couldn't stay another few seasons to over see another rebuild. But it wasn't as bad as Moyes made it to look, with a better manager we could've finished top four that season. We spent enough money to arguably build a better team but we wasted so much money. Is that on Sir Alex too?Yes... but Ron was fired two months into the season, which makes the story more nuanced.
Why do you question I’m a fan only because I’m saying: “success and failure isn’t a result of only on person: “SAF likely didn’t everything right all the time”.
United was patient with SAF and he also was allowed to stay for 26-27 years, to become an institution himself. What system was left when SAF retired? What was the state of the squad when SAF left? I’m pretty sure it wasn’t his proudest moment.
- Are the above mentioned points wrong?
- Am I godless (talking about SAF)? Probably Yes
- Am I fan of SAF? Yes
- Am I fan of United? Yes
- Is SAF one of the most successful managers in history? Yes
We aren’t debating SAF’s success and achievement. It’s about SAF taking over a consistent top-4 team and also him needed time to build up what became one of the best teams in the world. He wasn’t a miracle man from the beginning, but had to develop the club step by step.
Maradona is among the best players during history, maybe the best. The same can be said about SAF. So I agree it was wrong to say he probably was one of the best managers in the world.Honestly it reads more that you're not that keen on SAF. I know you say you're "a fan", which in itself is slightly strange for a United supporter to say.
But you've also said, he's only "probably" one of the best managers in the world, called him just a building brick in United's success over 26 years, questioned if he'd have been succesful elsewhere, then doubted him in the completely hypothetical scenario of him not retiring when he did.
I don't think every single thing he did was perfect, the man himself won't. But your take is one of the most unusual I've seen from a United fan.
Again if Fergie was "probably" one of the best managers in the world, who was definitely one of the best?
Yes in a thread about coaching.Have we seriously descended into who loves fergie more?
Ffs fellas. Get a grip.
Yeah, but folk aren't comparing Alex Ferguson the GOAT against Ole, are they?
They are comparing Ole's first two years at United to Alex Ferguson's first two years at United...
What I'm tired of is fans who aren't open-minded to understand this... and who can only judge Alex on his entire career... D'yall forget he took 6 years to win a title, because he was building in the background for hopeful long-term success?
Given that Ole is also building in the background towards long-term success, his first two years versus Alex's first two years are notable comparisons. VERY notable.
Yes, I'm sure just anyone could have taken over their local club and taken them to their first ever national league title and then successfully defend it the next year.Ferguson arrived an established manager, winning trophies, having success on the European stage and remains to this day the last non-Old Firm manager to lift the league title in Scotland. There was a reason for us to have patience with him.
With all due respect to his career in Norway the only real reason why Ole is even employed is "played for us once"
He absolutely nowhere near deserves or has shown he merits the same level of faith the club had in Ferguson 35 years ago.
Starting to think this may not be sarcasm.Ole is really similar to the greatest manager of all time. I'm so happy we have him in charge. I wonder why everybody except a minority of united fans can't see how great he is.
full of fecking virgins, this place. They think FM is real life and most don’t even have a job & spend all day/every day on here.Abso
Feckin
Lutely
These "virtual supporters" are either on a wind up or need to get a life...
They have absolutely no idea abut the club they have chosen to support.
Salford used to be in the 8th tier - so that’s what your expectations are! Getting a nose bleed in League 2 now you! You wouldn’t complain if we got relegated. Glazers love doormats like you who take all sorts of shit without a single objection. If every United fan had your lame mindset, we’d probably be where Salford are, League 2.
Sir Matt set his team up to attack hard, to live up to the expectations of the fans who worked hard all week. You think they accepted all sorts of shite like you? You probably wanted Moyes to remain in charge after the 13-14 season.
You had too much to drink or something? Go to bed lad. I’ve never even been to Gloucester. Clueless tripe, your posts in this thread. Love how you haven’t responded to any of the points I made in my previous posts about Ole as well.
The ironyfull of fecking virgins, this place. They think FM is real life and most don’t even have a job & spend all day/every day on here.
you dont agree with their narrative and they start squealing and then you get accused of not underatanding the poor lambs
wouldn’t know support unless it smacked em in the face in real life. Most OOTs and think they are supporters because they watched United on telly when we were good and now sobbing and whinging .
little cnuts.
good 3pts. The lads stuck in there again even though they are clearly knackered and considering the missing players... most won’t be happy though. It wasn’t Brazil ‘70.
Why should progress should be constant? There are many areas of life where progress is far from linear. The more complex the problem is the less right you have to expect any constancy in improvement, and Manchester United certainly was not a simple problem as the previous managers can attest. If you have to get players out of the club, initiate a style of play, shift a culture, improve inconsistent young players and recruit correctly then it is reasonable to expect that development is going to fluctuate as individual elements of those things are addressed and setbacks occur. They are just a few of the headline areas that are easy for us to identify as fans and extrapolate from performances, there are many more things that fall within the managers remit.Too many people saying 'we're 2nd, that proves he's a good manager'. He is a good manager, I'll give anyone that. He turned the team around and all credit due for that. The problem is this - is he good enough? This team has hit a plateau and I don't see a sign OGS has a plan to get this team to the next level. Seriously, what do people see that says we won't be sitting here in 5 years talking about how bad United are a set pieces? What constant improvement in strategy and tactics and all of the rest of it are you seeing that some of us are not? Quit quoting the record, its not about that. This team has enough talent that any good coach should put them top 4. Its about showing signs he can get this team to the next level. It just feels like he stopped progressing. Every coach needs time, but just like a player - you want to see constant progress.
- There is no concept how to attack a defense that's packed in and soaking up pressure. There's a reason just about all teams play like that against United - because they can't figure it out.
- This team is stupendously bad against set pieces, has been bad at set pieces and shows no sign of improvement against set pieces
- Too often substitutes seem - incredibly wrong
- Look at the response to Moyes substitutions today - there wasn't one. The match changed in an instant and United were under serious pressure every time West Ham came forward. Your primary defense can't always be Harry Maguire being in position to block every hard shot.
- Much too inconsistent. You can't go into these 4-5 match tailspins they go into. The manager has to prevent that if you're going to win a championship.
Handle them or listening to them are two separate things. Simple solutions to complexity have never been of interest. Not now, not in the past, and certainly not for the future. But if people like to marginalise themselves.Some people here can't really handle different opinions.
Yes, let us not use references when looking at a picture! Although football have moved light years, the principle stands. And let’s pretend the last 1 1/2 year has not been all about restitution. Ole should make McFred able to pass a ball and have us playing much better than the sum of our parts! Like Klopp. With his pedigree.I love the SAF sidetrack this thread took briefly, a bizarre twist to the tale of Ole and his coaching.
Yes you can. Literally the team we are competing against currently is a clear example of that, along with COUNTLESS other examples throughout Europe. Unless AC MIlan now have a better squad than us too? We were knocked out of Europe by a inferior Leipzig team who were much better coached than us and it's looking like if we don't completely change shite in the second half, could happen again with a Milan team in the Europa.You can't coach skill into a player. Some of our players are not top quality.