Yeah, cos that's his feckin name.
And for your information, cos I bet you don't know this... it's pronounced Alec, not Alecs.
We are an awfully coached team
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Yeah, cos that's his feckin name.
And for your information, cos I bet you don't know this... it's pronounced Alec, not Alecs.
I don't think nuance is needed when talking about SAF's achievement. No second guessing required really. It's like debating if Margot Robbie is attractive. There is no debate.
When you say he's "probably" one of the greatest managers I'd be interested to hear who you think is definitely one of the greatest.
Have Googled Can Confirm.
How is this garbage thread still going?
Didn't Ole say he doesn't coach the team?
We aren’t debating SAF’s success and achievement. It’s about SAF taking over a consistent top-4 team and also him needed time to build up what became one of the best teams in the world. He wasn’t a miracle man from the beginning, but had to develop the club step by step.
I have heard this too but have never seen a direct quote attributable to him. Bunkum most likely.
Absolutely no idea.
I think it's now officially replaced the ole in/out thread.
Round and round we go.
Honestly it reads more that you're not that keen on SAF. I know you say you're "a fan", which in itself is slightly strange for a United supporter to say.
But you've also said, he's only "probably" one of the best managers in the world, called him just a building brick in United's success over 26 years, questioned if he'd have been succesful elsewhere, then doubted him in the completely hypothetical scenario of him not retiring when he did.
I don't think every single thing he did was perfect, the man himself won't. But your take is one of the most unusual I've seen from a United fan.
Again if Fergie was "probably" one of the best managers in the world, who was definitely one of the best?
You'll notice most of the posters keeping this car crash going are those that think half of our squad is shit and predicted us to finish outside the top 4. Its really inconvenient for them that we're in 2nd.
Yeah like I thought you are clueless about United. That is one of the dumbest comments I've read on the caf.
He left us as champions. The squad needed rebuilding he knew that when he left it and part of the reason why he retired when he did was because he couldn't stay another few seasons to over see another rebuild. But it wasn't as bad as Moyes made it to look, with a better manager we could've finished top four that season. We spent enough money to arguably build a better team but we wasted so much money. Is that on Sir Alex too?
Maradona is among the best players during history, maybe the best. The same can be said about SAF. So I agree it was wrong to say he probably was one of the best managers in the world.
I also said SAF was a very important brick, but not the only brick. Many former players say the greatest success-factor was that United had many leaders in the squad and on the pitch at the same time; the winning mentality among the players. Group dynamics and class of 92 wasn’t a development only controlled by SAF.
I think SAF and United was perfect for each other, but we will never know if he had been able to repeat his success in another comparable club. “Not knowing” and “doubting” isn’t necessarily the same.
I also think it’s nonsense and not relevant to compare SAF and Ole. What’s the point?
My point (again) was to say managers often needs time to build a winning team, and SAF was used as an good example. Why shouldn’t we show the same patience today?
Have we seriously descended into who loves fergie more?
Ffs fellas. Get a grip.
Ffs fellas. Get a grip.
Yes in a thread about coaching.
Ferguson arrived an established manager, winning trophies, having success on the European stage and remains to this day the last non-Old Firm manager to lift the league title in Scotland. There was a reason for us to have patience with him.
With all due respect to his career in Norway the only real reason why Ole is even employed is "played for us once"
He absolutely nowhere near deserves or has shown he merits the same level of faith the club had in Ferguson 35 years ago.
I wonder do other forums have a 'caf in meltdown' and just quote this thread
When I see that 1st half vs Everton, the match vs Man City, and the match today vs West Ham, I laugh at threads like these and the posters who propagate the whole idea we are a poorly coached team.
Yes, I'm sure just anyone could have taken over their local club and taken them to their first ever national league title and then successfully defend it the next year.
And saying he "played for us once" is incredibly demeaning to Ole's career. He had 126 goals in 366 appearances for United over 10 years including being the club's top scorer while we won the title in 1996-97. He's a genuine Premier League and United legend. If that doesn't give you some goodwill from the club to enhance an already fairly impressive CV albeit in a weaker league, then what will?
I also do not understand this absolute disgust at the idea that a former long time player would then end up as a coach/manager of a big club early on in their coaching/management career. This has been how most player turned coaches have started historically. You think Cruyff would have gotten the Ajax job so early if he hadn't played for Ajax? Would Pep have gotten the Barca job had he not played for Barca? Would Conte have got the Juve job had he not been a beloved player there for 12 years? This line of argument is beyond absurd and to hold it against Ole is also childish and shallow.
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Starting to think this may not be sarcasm.
full of fecking virgins, this place. They think FM is real life and most don’t even have a job & spend all day/every day on here.
you dont agree with their narrative and they start squealing and then you get accused of not underatanding the poor lambs
wouldn’t know support unless it smacked em in the face in real life. Most OOTs and think they are supporters because they watched United on telly when we were good and now sobbing and whinging .
little cnuts.
good 3pts. The lads stuck in there again even though they are clearly knackered and considering the missing players... most won’t be happy though. It wasn’t Brazil ‘70.
- There is no concept how to attack a defense that's packed in and soaking up pressure. There's a reason just about all teams play like that against United - because they can't figure it out.
- This team is stupendously bad against set pieces, has been bad at set pieces and shows no sign of improvement against set pieces
- Too often substitutes seem - incredibly wrong
- Look at the response to Moyes substitutions today - there wasn't one. The match changed in an instant and United were under serious pressure every time West Ham came forward. Your primary defense can't always be Harry Maguire being in position to block every hard shot.
- Much too inconsistent. You can't go into these 4-5 match tailspins they go into. The manager has to prevent that if you're going to win a championship.
Insulting another member
wtf have Salford got to do with it you simpleton? Get off the Ice or whatever bravery pills you’re on.
the Glazers? I Bought shares to try to keep them out. What did you do? Probably sat on your lazy arse like you did when the Brexit vote was on and then blamed others For the outcome.
wtf do you know about United under Sir Matt? I’ve forgotten more about Uniteds history than you’ll ever know.
Sorry didn’t answer your every post. Better and more important things to do unlike losers such as you.
bye
Some people here can't really handle different opinions.
Why should progress should be constant? There are many areas of life where progress is far from linear. The more complex the problem is the less right you have to expect any constancy in improvement, and Manchester United certainly was not a simple problem as the previous managers can attest. If you have to get players out of the club, initiate a style of play, shift a culture, improve inconsistent young players and recruit correctly then it is reasonable to expect that development is going to fluctuate as individual elements of those things are addressed and setbacks occur. They are just a few of the headline areas that are easy for us to identify as fans and extrapolate from performances, there are many more things that fall within the managers remit.
It's more important that over a longer period of time improvement can be identified, constancy is more dependent on short term factors which are incredibly volatile in football. For example, we signed Bruno Fernandes and were immediately a much better football team, progress plotted pre and post Fernandes would appear dramatic, but we can't sign Fernandes every week and signings will not always be that successful.
From the time Ole was brought in until this point there has been progress compared to previous managers taken in their totality - that is visible in results and points, and many would argue that it is also measurable empirically by other metrics. Whether it is at the rate you and some other people would like is of course a question to be discussed but I would argue there is a need for patience and reflection overall by fans.
Handle them or listening to them are two separate things. Simple solutions to complexity have never been of interest. Not now, not in the past, and certainly not for the future. But if people like to marginalise themselves.
I love the SAF sidetrack this thread took briefly, a bizarre twist to the tale of Ole and his coaching.
Yes, let us not use references when looking at a picture! Although football have moved light years, the principle stands. And let’s pretend the last 1 1/2 year has not been all about restitution. Ole should make McFred able to pass a ball and have us playing much better than the sum of our parts! Like Klopp. With his pedigree.
It is not awful coaching but our coaching is not good enough for a club that wants to win trophies. We do not pass well and it is almost due to individual brilliance or individual stupidity. It is rare that our forwards will create for other forwards. It seems that everyone wants to score individually rather than create one for another team mate. Or else the pass is horrible or our players do not get into position. These are coaching issues. I do not think the players will deliberately disobey the manager. Lets say if Martial is told repeatedly that it is his job to move the near post or far post for any cross, I do not think he is going to disobey. If he does repeatedly then Ole should call him out on it and drop him. This is an example.
Same shit, different week.
Absolutely shambolic once again.
Absolutely shambolic once again.
I think that majority of our fans are masochists. I don’t have any other explanation how so many of you can be content with this shit, honestly. Many of you probably don’t even enjoy football I guess if you can somehow see the progress in us.
Milan are decent but it's men against boys out there . They are first to everything and are actually creating chances while Ole's boys can't string two passes together. This is embarrassing for Manchester United but seems like it's acceptable now .
That second place in the league is only an unrepeatable matter of luck and casualty
Champions league and Europe league shows the real level, which is very low
Champions league and Europe league shows the real level, which is very low
You can't coach skill into a player. Some of our players are not top quality.
How the hell are we second in the league ?
How did Fred become a professional footballer ?
How is Daniel James play for Manchester United ?
Basically Milan misses their 3 best attackers, 1 RB, 1 CB and still dominate us.
How did Fred become a professional footballer ?
How is Daniel James play for Manchester United ?
Basically Milan misses their 3 best attackers, 1 RB, 1 CB and still dominate us.
Tonight is another example of proper coaching versus the lack of.
Going into the game I thought Zlatan would see a lot of his teammates from the 16/17 season. In actuality, he only played with Shaw and Rashford that season from our starting line-up, which surprised me as it feels like he was only here yesterday.
So many new players since then, but we have not played consistently good football over a decent period of time once. We really need to address the root of the problem which is a coaching issue. We get outplayed by teams we really shouldn't be outplayed by.
So many new players since then, but we have not played consistently good football over a decent period of time once. We really need to address the root of the problem which is a coaching issue. We get outplayed by teams we really shouldn't be outplayed by.
Unless you give us a load of space to run into, we're absolutely useless. It's been this way for five years now and it is getting quite boring to watch. Our passing is just painfully bad and shows no sign of improvement.
Can't we sign a few playmakers (and get in someone on the coaching side who actually knows how to use them). It's just 'headless chicken' amateur hour at the moment, with a team full of try-hard runners, utterly devoid of either organisation or technical quality.
Can't we sign a few playmakers (and get in someone on the coaching side who actually knows how to use them). It's just 'headless chicken' amateur hour at the moment, with a team full of try-hard runners, utterly devoid of either organisation or technical quality.
Yes you can. Literally the team we are competing against currently is a clear example of that, along with COUNTLESS other examples throughout Europe. Unless AC MIlan now have a better squad than us too? We were knocked out of Europe by a inferior Leipzig team who were much better coached than us and it's looking like if we don't completely change shite in the second half, could happen again with a Milan team in the Europa.
Its funny that as soon as we're not playing well this thread and all a number of threads criticising various players spring back into life, which is it, poorly coached or poor players?