We will never win the league with Bruno Fernandes in the team...

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The biggest issue with Fernandes is that he gives the ball away too often. Part of that is chance creation but part of that is being wasteful. I don't know if he can fix that or improve it or thats the price for the chances he does create. As with all players like him in a team, they have a large impact on those around them and the team. We don't tend to have much control against teams at times because we give the ball away a bit too much.

Watching Arsenal last night you can see how much more fluid they are all over the pitch because they are building throughout the team. We are a little too Bruno focussed at time.
 

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They’ve been largely average lately; despite a much softer run & less injuries/suspensions

how did last night go?
Are you being sarky? Arsenal FC were very flat, and though they dominated in patches, maybe for 20 minutes or so, and had chances, the Sporting keeper had a astonishing game, making at least three world class saves in regulation time. Overall the Portoguese played a great game of choking the Arsenal supply lines, winning back the ball and keeping it with some smart fluid stuff that made the whole experience more and more nervy. The atmosphere was great, even at the end the Arsenal fans sang and cheered, to be fair. The goal from which Sporting equalized was something from a dream, the guy barely looked up, and sent a looping drive almost fifty yards with the Arsenal keeper scampering back from a very advanced position. So perfectly judged was the drive that it just dipped under the crossbar with inches to spare. The keeper hilariously came crashing like a parachutist in the net after the ball. Sporting Lisbon contained Arsenal fairly well in extra time, and both teams brought on a lot of subs. I had a sense that a penalty shoot-out would doom Arsenal in front of their own fans, and so it turned out. Great to be rid of them in this competition, gives us a chance of more silverware.
 

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Are you being sarky? Arsenal FC were very flat, and though they dominated in patches, maybe for 20 minutes or so, and had chances, the Sporting keeper had a astonishing game, making at least three world class saves in regulation time. Overall the Portoguese played a great game of choking the Arsenal supply lines, winning back the ball and keeping it with some smart fluid stuff that made the whole experience more and more nervy. The atmosphere was great, even at the end the Arsenal fans sang and cheered, to be fair. The goal from which Sporting equalized was something from a dream, the guy barely looked up, and sent a looping drive almost fifty yards with the Arsenal keeper scampering back from a very advanced position. So perfectly judged was the drive that it just dipped under the crossbar with inches to spare. The keeper hilariously came crashing like a parachutist in the net after the ball. Sporting Lisbon contained Arsenal fairly well in extra time, and both teams brought on a lot of subs. I had a sense that a penalty shoot-out would doom Arsenal in front of their own fans, and so it turned out. Great to be rid of them in this competition, gives us a chance of more silverware.
thought Arsenal were pretty average against a far inferior opposition (who did great as u said)
And as I said last week
They were extremely lucky to have had fouls for their two goals ignored in the away tie

them not managing the two legs might be a sign that it won’t be that easy to see out the league; despite being potentially well clear before break

I still think city will drop a good few more points though
 
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I never ignore threads (though I have a lot of posters on ignore. I even un-ignored a few lately). Good to see the range of views in the Caf, I feel, however supercharged daft they are.

I have changed my mind about this thread, for example. I appreciate it now as an excellent place to corral and vent for Football Manager type fans. I understand that there is a journey in knowing/understanding any team game, because I had my own journey, which I am still on. I am a typical enough football fan. I mean any time I am at a match or in the pub watching on TV I am pretty unexceptional in most respects. I started off as a kid not knowing about offside, etc. In primary school, for example, we played a frantic game resembling chase-the-chicken along a concrete pavement, everyone 'attracted' to the ball in a mad crowd, repeatedly breaking the school window with a heavy plastic ball that hurt badly to head and even to kick.

No offside there, but lots of horrible knee scars. In later life I played a bit in school, usually defensive midfield. I was a fairly committed tackler. I learned about formations, about keeping shape, about how the game gets compressed. About why its sometimes good to play one-touch, sometimes good to make breaks, sometimes good to slow it down. Theres a thing about keeping the opponent in the corner of your eye, ready to move when the defender is balanced wrong, going to their right, over the extended left leg (the stock dribble for a right footer attempted to beat the defender on their right, tempting a tackle and dodging). My shin bones are all lumpy from kicks, the painful way of learning how to protect yourself from injury. When two players kick a loose ball at once, for example, getting your studs embedded in the ground, blocking, probably meant you came out best.

I liked other sports, too, including Gaelic football. In later life I learned enough basics of the rules and team positions of rugby (union, and even a bit of rugby league on TV) to appreciate and enjoy the game. Before that, I found it hard to see the point of rugby, just as today the point in horse racing and American football completely eludes me.

Anyone who doesn't get why Bruno is a lynchpin of the current set up and so valued by the manager must be at a level of knowledge that makes 'soccer' rather unenjoyable. Maybe they spend their days in a variety of forums, spouting equally uninformed opinions on everything from nuclear fusion to foot-binding in Medieval China.

Fair play to the football people willing to venture in here to take on the elephant-sized task of explaining to this cohort why Bruno is an ideas man; why he's the answer to massed defences; why he takes chances because that's his job, etc. Etc. Etc. ETH. And so on, forever and ever and ever.
Firstly, this is a Bruno Fernandes thread, not 'this is my autobiography' thread.

Secondly, you could write a lot less and still say the same i.e. 'I think I know best and those that disagree with me are plebs'.

Finally and most hilariously, I love how some on here come and try to talk about Fernandes's importance to this current team but also go on to state that we might not win the league with him. Well, surprise, surprise this is the point of the thread. Not whether you rate him or not as a good player but whether a team like us can win the league with someone like him playing the crucial playmaker position.

But by all means, write another essay praising 'the football people' coming in here to explain why you are right.

What a bunch of arrogant guff.
 

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I never ignore threads (though I have a lot of posters on ignore. I even un-ignored a few lately). Good to see the range of views in the Caf, I feel, however supercharged daft they are.

I have changed my mind about this thread, for example. I appreciate it now as an excellent place to corral and vent for Football Manager type fans. I understand that there is a journey in knowing/understanding any team game, because I had my own journey, which I am still on. I am a typical enough football fan. I mean any time I am at a match or in the pub watching on TV I am pretty unexceptional in most respects. I started off as a kid not knowing about offside, etc. In primary school, for example, we played a frantic game resembling chase-the-chicken along a concrete pavement, everyone 'attracted' to the ball in a mad crowd, repeatedly breaking the school window with a heavy plastic ball that hurt badly to head and even to kick.

No offside there, but lots of horrible knee scars. In later life I played a bit in school, usually defensive midfield. I was a fairly committed tackler. I learned about formations, about keeping shape, about how the game gets compressed. About why its sometimes good to play one-touch, sometimes good to make breaks, sometimes good to slow it down. Theres a thing about keeping the opponent in the corner of your eye, ready to move when the defender is balanced wrong, going to their right, over the extended left leg (the stock dribble for a right footer attempted to beat the defender on their right, tempting a tackle and dodging). My shin bones are all lumpy from kicks, the painful way of learning how to protect yourself from injury. When two players kick a loose ball at once, for example, getting your studs embedded in the ground, blocking, probably meant you came out best.

I liked other sports, too, including Gaelic football. In later life I learned enough basics of the rules and team positions of rugby (union, and even a bit of rugby league on TV) to appreciate and enjoy the game. Before that, I found it hard to see the point of rugby, just as today the point in horse racing and American football completely eludes me.

Anyone who doesn't get why Bruno is a lynchpin of the current set up and so valued by the manager must be at a level of knowledge that makes 'soccer' rather unenjoyable. Maybe they spend their days in a variety of forums, spouting equally uninformed opinions on everything from nuclear fusion to foot-binding in Medieval China.

Fair play to the football people willing to venture in here to take on the elephant-sized task of explaining to this cohort why Bruno is an ideas man; why he's the answer to massed defences; why he takes chances because that's his job, etc. Etc. Etc. ETH. And so on, forever and ever and ever.
:lol:
 

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Honestly, this is the most stupid title thread on the entire board…I get irrational angry every time I see it bumped.

No one player has unilateral influence to win or lose the league.

My next thread “we’ll never win the league Phil Jones under contract”…it’s just as arbitrary.
If that player is your best player or plays a central role in the performance of your team then it absolutely does.

I was sure we'd never win a league title with Lukaku as our main striker no matter how many goals he scored.

Bruno is the creative hub of this team so in a way the team will go as Bruno goes. I personally don't think we ever will win the league with him playing the role and importance he currently has with us, I just don't think he's good enough. Of course I could be wrong but I don't see it.

That isn't to say it's soley his fault but there is a limit to how good this team can be with Bruno having the responsibility and importance he currently has and has had since being here.
 

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If that player is your best player or plays a central role in the performance of your team then it absolutely does.

I was sure we'd never win a league title with Lukaku as our main striker no matter how many goals he scored.

Bruno is the creative hub of this team so in a way the team will go as Bruno goes. I personally don't think we ever will win the league with him playing the role and importance he currently has with us, I just don't think he's good enough. Of course I could be wrong but I don't see it.

That isn't to say it's soley his fault but there is a limit to how good this team can be with Bruno having the responsibility and importance he currently has and has had since being here.
And, to add to this is..

This has been proven by how our midfield has been open since 2020. Yes Fred takes another 50% of the blame.

Even yesterday game, we were so open. A good team would have scored more goals.

The turnovers in our Midfield are too many.

Bruno and Fred can't hold the ball for more than 5 seconds when pressed. That's why you see Bruno play acting alot, they don't know how to recycle possession, they don't know how to carry the ball forward, they don't know how to tackle well.


In high quality games, you will be destroyed.

We just need 2 midfielders and 1 elite striker. The team will be transformed immediately.
 

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If that player is your best player or plays a central role in the performance of your team then it absolutely does.

I was sure we'd never win a league title with Lukaku as our main striker no matter how many goals he scored.

Bruno is the creative hub of this team so in a way the team will go as Bruno goes. I personally don't think we ever will win the league with him playing the role and importance he currently has with us, I just don't think he's good enough. Of course I could be wrong but I don't see it.

That isn't to say it's soley his fault but there is a limit to how good this team can be with Bruno having the responsibility and importance he currently has and has had since being here.
i think this is a partly loosided argument and partly too fanciful.

Much play go through Bruno Fernandez because he creates danger and makes play happen more than anyone else, and because he is more mobile and positionally accessible than anybody else. Not the other way around. He has been like that since day 1. He has been top notch for goals from MF, assists, chances created and key passes since long before our play was built around him and other players would have any reason to defer to him. In addition to that he presses and tracks back more than most of the players in his mold who are less dangerous even. Every time Bruno has been introduced or removed, it has been evident that United plays better and more functionally with him than without. We have had a long string of generally pretty talented players who has nowwhere near making our play more coherent, our possesion more stable etc. This under Solskjær, Rangnik and Ten Hag, different as they are in stryle and quality.

Just like looking at our forwards and teplacing Rashford because he as a top scorer scores less than Haaland would be stupid, because the obvious thing is to keep Rashford and strengthen striker and RW. Yes, once in a blue moon a team will improve through removing the lynchpin to evoke some synergic potential in other players, but those are exceptiona and hard to predict. Normally what works is to add quality to quality, and work with that. Anyone thinking that Bruno is what is holding back underperforming talents like Martial, Sancho, Ronaldo (haha), Antony and Fred, Greenwood (sigh), Weghorst, Van de Beek and Elanga (yeah right), need only see how they perform when Bruno is not on the pitch. There is no ‘unleashing’ going on, and for anyone saying ‘it’s because they are used to pander to Bruno’, take a look at us the month before Bruno first arrived. Thetruth is that the best football from Rashford, Martial and Greenwood has come when playing together with Bruno, and this goes even for Fred and McTomiany. Also, Uniteds best football since Ferguson has come with Bruno, some of this even under Solskjær.

So I don’t buy the claim that anyone knows we’d be likelier to win the league with a front six of, say, Casemiro, Bellingham, Rashford, Van de Beek/Sancho/Sabitzer/Fred, Antony, Osimhen, than with Casemiro, Bellingham, Rashford, Bruno, Antony, Osimhen. For instance.