Red-Jeff
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I would be very happy.
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Only idiots who couldn't see that we were actually pants were saying we were well setup. Mainly pushing that 'fantastic defence' crap. Let someone else spend £200m.I'd be happy for him to stay in that circumstance. We had an absolutely terrible spell this year and a big part of that was injuries, another reason is our playing inconsistent younger players and rooney completely off form up until the turn of the year as well as the fact we are in massive transition again due to bulk buying and selling. I remember when we were top in September and it was looking like it being us vs city for top and everyone was raving about how well set up we were, we still have that squad, if we added griezemann, sanches and mahrez I think we would look great. I know that's obviously a huge ask and probably 200 million right there but i'd be on board.
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This 200M is thrown about very easily, Di Maria and Martial account for more than half of that spending and Di Maria clearly did not work out and while we took a 15M loss, we recouped about 45M of it. Otherwise his biggest expenditure came with Herrera, Memphis and Shaw.Only idiots who couldn't see that we were actually pants were saying we were well setup. Mainly pushing that 'fantastic defence' crap. Let someone else spend £200m.
Sorry to disagree. The performance was not justified for him to stay. There are excuses for results, bad form, but there is no excuse for bad management that seeing us score so few goals and create so few chances in most games. It's hard to trust LVG with the new signings since the signings we made under his reign were well without hindsight. However, only Blind and Martial are the only 2 can be seen as good signing. The rest are not up to expectation. Not talking about the money spend, but the sheer numbers of not working/underperforming signings should ring the alarm on the management. New signings need time to settle, that's normal. However, for majority of them to fail at the same time to settle/up to the job, someone has to take responsibility.I'd be happy for him to stay in that circumstance. We had an absolutely terrible spell this year and a big part of that was injuries, another reason is our playing inconsistent younger players and rooney completely off form up until the turn of the year as well as the fact we are in massive transition again due to bulk buying and selling. I remember when we were top in September and it was looking like it being us vs city for top and everyone was raving about how well set up we were, we still have that squad, if we added griezemann, sanches and mahrez I think we would look great. I know that's obviously a huge ask and probably 200 million right there but i'd be on board.
We still have the most clean sheets in the prem don't we? our defence is good.Only idiots who couldn't see that we were actually pants were saying we were well setup. Mainly pushing that 'fantastic defence' crap. Let someone else spend £200m.
No worries, I figured it wouldn't be a popular opinion. The squad is in such a state of flux in my opinion that its just very difficult for new players to settle. When during the season Juan Mata actually plays as the captain its just clear that we are in huge transition and don't have enough players who have been with the club for long enough to take on responsibility, as the players bed in this should happen more and more though. For instance this season Blind has become a more important player and one of our most vocal in the same way this could happen with players like Schneiderlin, Lingard and others who've been blooded this season next year. on paper at least a starting 11 of De Gea, Shaw, Blind, Smalling, Darmian, schneidi, schweini/Herrera, mata/rooney, Martial and two new comers like greizemann and mahrez would be a terrific team and that's what I mean, I think we are a few maybe not all too realistic signings away from having a very good starting 11 and decent squad overall. My qualifier is us getting third or even fourth and FA cup though. I think success like that would do a huge amount for our junior players and improve them significantly.Sorry to disagree. The performance was not justified for him to stay. There are excuses for results, bad form, but there is no excuse for bad management that seeing us score so few goals and create so few chances in most games. It's hard to trust LVG with the new signings since the signings we made under his reign were well without hindsight. However, only Blind and Martial are the only 2 can be seen as good signing. The rest are not up to expectation. Not talking about the money spend, but the sheer numbers of not working/underperforming signings should ring the alarm on the management. New signings need time to settle, that's normal. However, for majority of them to fail at the same time to settle/up to the job, someone has to take responsibility.
I don't think we're really good in defense. We made good stat due to the risk averse style the bores everyone involved. However, looking at the goals, chances we commits, our defense is very shaky. For example, we could have lost the game vs Everton on a different day when Lukaka could convert the chance. De Gea and luck played big part in preventing us to concede more.We still have the most clean sheets in the prem don't we? our defence is good.
I actually think the risk averse style is understandable though, because you wouldn't want your cms or defence being risky otherwise you get the backlash we see on here when players like barkley or stones do something daft, it leads to soft goals, so in reality you only want your front four to have a free licence to try things, this is the same for most teams. Our front 4 aren't up to scratch and that's the problem, which is why I am suggesting a couple of players such as a RW and CF would improve us tremendously. Our front players clearly can do what they like, when you see Martial or Depay running his man all game long or rashford pulling out his tricks you know theyre not being told to play it easy, I think Mata on the other side is naturally quite risk averse which makes it seem worse than it is.I don't think we're really good in defense. We made good stat due to the risk averse style the bores everyone involved. However, looking at the goals, chances we commits, our defense is very shaky. For example, we could have lost the game vs Everton on a different day when Lukaka could convert the chance. De Gea and luck played big part in preventing us to concede more.
I'm not really sure what your point is? We still spent it and I'd still rather have someone else spend it again.This 200M is thrown about very easily, Di Maria and Martial account for more than half of that spending and Di Maria clearly did not work out and while we took a 15M loss, we recouped about 45M of it. Otherwise his biggest expenditure came with Herrera, Memphis and Shaw.
Doesn't matter. Watching the games you can tell our defence is not. The goals we were conceding when everyone was championing that sheeple theory were embarrassing. They'd just counter and rip us apart while we struggled all game to get into their last third.We still have the most clean sheets in the prem don't we? our defence is good.
Unless you are paying transfer fees out of your pocket, just ignore the numbers and deal with it. The club makes for too much money to deny a new manager a transfer budget because the previous one spent more.I'm not really sure what your point is? We still spent it and I'd still rather have someone else spend it again.
I have no idea what drift you've got but it ain't mine. I'm saying I want a new manager.Unless you are paying transfer fees out of your pocket, just ignore the numbers and deal with it. The club makes for too much money to deny a new manager a transfer budget because the previous one spent more.
A sheeple theory is mainly when a narrative pops up from someone like Danny Murphy on MOTD then you hear people spouting it everywhere when its got no basis, something like Ighalo is a great finisher. United having a good defence is backed up by stats and watching us not concede all of the time.I'm not really sure what your point is? We still spent it and I'd still rather have someone else spend it again.
Doesn't matter. Watching the games you can tell our defence is not. The goals we were conceding when everyone was championing that sheeple theory were embarrassing. They'd just counter and rip us apart while we struggled all game to get into their last third.
The theory was made up on the back of us not conceding that many goals. Doesn't mean our defence was actually good. We played terribly boring possession football. We weren't even that good at that, but it stopped us conceding loads.A sheeple theory is mainly when a narrative pops up from someone like Danny Murphy on MOTD then you hear people spouting it everywhere when its got no basis, something like Ighalo is a great finisher. United having a good defence is backed up by stats and watching us not concede all of the time.
Yeah it was made up on the back of us not conceding many goals, that's pretty much the main criteria for judging a defence.The theory was made up on the back of us not conceding that many goals. Doesn't mean our defence was actually good. We played terribly boring possession football. We weren't even that good at that, but it stopped us conceding loads.
You seem agitated.I have no idea what drift you've got but it ain't mine. I'm saying I want a new manager.
That said, ignoring transfer fees doesn't fly with me. The tree isn't unlimited.
Yeah, if you're simple as feck.Yeah it was made up on the back of us not conceding many goals, that's pretty much the main criteria for judging a defence.
You not grasping what is happening has extended to this.You seem agitated.
Over to the signs you've been dragged into an argument on the internet thread I go.Yeah, if you're simple as feck.
You not grasping what is happening has extended to this.
No argument here. I'm always right.Over to the signs you've been dragged into an argument on the internet thread I go.
Fair.No argument here. I'm always right.
It will be great as it was exactly my expectation from the beginning of the season 3rd + FA Cup or 2nd. I don't know why some people were thinking from the start of season that we have players that can lead us to win the league.How would you feel?
What would the board feel?
What happens to LVG?
Yet Leicester can go from escaping relegation to winning the league but not us after spending £250m?It will be great as it was exactly my expectation from the beginning of the season 3rd + FA Cup or 2nd. I don't know why some people were thinking from the start of season that we have players that can lead us to win the league.
The board will be very happy with that. They can see it as a progress to go forward. From 7th to 4th to 3rd + FA Cup.
He will stay but the board might need to think again about budget since most of LVG signing has been awful.
But seriously, 3rd is pretty much almost unrealistic if we are looking at their fixtures. Most likely 4th place will be based on two things if we can win every games and Arsenal vs City game.
What Leicester achieved this season is called miracle. Leicester's realistic expectation was never be winning the league or getting a top 4. The only way for our current players this season in order to win the league is that we need a miracle. If fans think it is realistic to win the league with our current players from the start of season therefore it's called deluded.Yet Leicester can go from escaping relegation to winning the league but not us after spending £250m?
No way would it be a miracle. The standard of the league is terrible and we have more than enough to challenge for the league. LVG has had a honker and stumbled on a system.What Leicester achieved this season is called miracle. Leicester's realistic expectation was never be winning the league or getting a top 4. The only way for our current players this season in order to win the league is that we need a miracle. If fans think it is realistic to win the league with our current players from the start of season therefore it's called deluded.
I wake up and realise I was only dreaming.What happens if we finish third and win the FA cup?
Pellegrini was already gone by the time he won the League Cup (considered a lesser trophy anyway) and won nothing last season.A possible domestic cup win should not save Van Gaal. It didn't work for Pellegrini for instance, who actually won the league a couple of years ago.
Well, we haven't won a trophy this season and we also didn't win anything last season.Pellegrini was already gone by the time he won the League Cup (considered a lesser trophy anyway) and won nothing last season.
Are you a Bournemouth supporter or MUFC.On the surface it would make it appear like we've had an impressive season and ultimately I would have taken third and a cup ...
You actually think we could realistically challenge the league with Fellaini, Schneiderlin, Lingard, Memphis, Darmian, Rojo and etc? This squad is the worst squad we ever had in these last 20 years. The standard of the league isn't terrible as any team in the league now are capable to win the games. It is now even more competitive. And we need much better players especially in term of consistency.No way would it be a miracle. The standard of the league is terrible and we have more than enough to challenge for the league. LVG has had a honker and stumbled on a system.
Well you're not understanding the theoretical angle of this thread and there was no expectation to win anything last season. City as reigning Champions were expected to win more.Well, we haven't won a trophy this season and we also didn't win anything last season.
Yes there was.Well you're not understanding the theoretical angle of this thread and there was no expectation to win anything last season. City as reigning Champions were expected to win more.