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The truth is we lost a great manager and will probably lose a great player in Pogba this summer and Woodward will survive again. The truth is things look bleak and it isn’t because of Jose Mourinho. The truth is you know I am right about these players.
And all the garbage players mou bought? This guy is a failure. Face it.

Suddenly winning a Europa league with a flukey second place finish is our glory.

Not to mention the crap situation hes put us in with failed players. Cant believe Mourinho, the guy who bought these players is the same one blaming them.
 

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Whilst I wanted Jose out and was glad that he left, he's looking increasingly correct about the players in this squads attitude.
Maybe but you do realize these are his damn players? He had 3 years and a massive budget to fix it. If he was that good of a manager he should have seen it coming.

Dont tell me lukaku, matic, fred and Sanchez werent willing to play for him. They are all limited or aging players were stuck with because of him
 

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Cant believe Mourinho, the guy who bought these players is the same one blaming them.
It's not even surprising. This is the guy who shat on Salah when he loaned him out saying he don't need him as there are 5 better players than him and it's better if he never returned, later in 2018 changed it into, he never sold Salah, just loaned him out (Roma had option to buy) and it was other manager who sold him.
 

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It's not even surprising. This is the guy who shat on Salah when he loaned him out saying he don't need him as there are 5 better players than him and it's better if he never returned, later in 2018 changed it into, he never sold Salah, just loaned him out (Roma had option to buy) and it was other manager who sold him.
Fans are just incredibly naive if they think Mourinho was right.

He was a selfish guy that chose to hide behind his own players. Woodward is a lot of things but the fact that he didnt let Mourinho waste more money in the summer needs to be applauded.
 

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Whilst I wanted Jose out and was glad that he left, he's looking increasingly correct about the players in this squads attitude.
Well, the simple fact of the matter is that we got both manager and player recruitment wrong over the last 6 years. This isn't an either/or situation. So Mourinho being right doesn't mean he wasn't a bad fit either. It's a bit like Valencia calling Young a shit FB, hypothetically of course.:lol:

And the points Mourinho makes in that article aren't valid. Its' true Guardiola replaced Hart and Bravo but they aren't players who are absolutely crucial to City's success. Mourinho had tried to sell Pogba and Martial -- 2 players seen as the better ones in a squad of deadwood -- and wanted to get Willian and Perisic -- both these decisions were vetoed. It would be like Guardiola wanting to sell De Bruyne and Aguero and getting in Cleverley and Lukaku, to make a comparison -- City wouldn't allow it, whereas Bravo and Hart aren't that caliber of players.

In the long run, Martial's form has fallen off a cliff, and Pogba anyway wants out for different reasons. But neither of these mean they were shit at the time Mourinho wanted rid of them. Atleast, if he had identified world class alternatives, fine, but he wanted average players to be brought in.

Finally, both Klopp and Guardiola play an infinitely better style of football, so you can trust their decisions to even bring in average players to help their systems. Why should we fund Mourinho's hankering for average players when the playing style is going to be shite anyway? In fact, Mourinho unlike the other 2 managers actually needs world class players in every position to make his playing style even remotely appealing. So, adding average players would mean the football would be even more shite.
 

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It's not even surprising. This is the guy who shat on Salah when he loaned him out saying he don't need him as there are 5 better players than him and it's better if he never returned, later in 2018 changed it into, he never sold Salah, just loaned him out (Roma had option to buy) and it was other manager who sold him.
I think that some people are too busy defending his career legacy which isn't in danger. They should realize that managers have a shelf life and there are ups and downs in their careers too, Mourinho hasn't been at his best since his Inter time, from there he has been inconsistent and has mainly blamed everyone around him, so his words aren't worth much. Now, maybe he will do a Heynckes and revive his career but that's rare and only someone willing to put his past successes behind can manage the likes of Leverkusen and put himself back on the map, you also need friends in a top club.
 

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Fans are just incredibly naive if they think Mourinho was right.

He was a selfish guy that chose to hide behind his own players. Woodward is a lot of things but the fact that he didnt let Mourinho waste more money in the summer needs to be applauded.
Exactly. Would have loved if he was sacked before completing the Sevilla PC.
 

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I think that some people are too busy defending his career legacy which isn't in danger. They should realize that managers have a shelf life and there are ups and downs in their careers too, Mourinho hasn't been at his best since his Inter time, from there he has been inconsistent and has mainly blamed everyone around him, so his words aren't worth much. Now, maybe he will do a Heynckes and revive his career but that's rare and only someone willing to put his past successes behind can manage the likes of Leverkusen and put himself back on the map, you also need friends in a top club.
Yeah, agree with this. Jose's legacy is set, he has achieved so much at top level and won lot trophies. Also something that's not a point of discussion as it's not achieved at ManUtd. If we go by his time at Manutd, it's underwhelming.
 

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Well, when he was sacked and deemed a failure in his 2 years with us while winning two cups... I can understand his view. All this while spending similarly to what klopp spent....

Playing nice or exiting football doesn't mean s*** if you win nothing at the end. Ask Arsenal fans...
Because we played shit football under him and he created a toxic Atmosphere. Winning the EL and League cup is no major feat. He was taking us backwards and imploding, while Klopp has shown clear progression while playing attractive football. Liverpool has more points this season than we ever had. I think any sane fan would swap Mourinho with Klopp in a heartbeart. I certainly never warmed up to Mourinho while he was here. He's the most egotistical and self-centered manager in the business. If he can't deliver big trophies he deliveres nothing.
 

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I think that some people are too busy defending his career legacy which isn't in danger. They should realize that managers have a shelf life and there are ups and downs in their careers too, Mourinho hasn't been at his best since his Inter time, from there he has been inconsistent and has mainly blamed everyone around him, so his words aren't worth much. Now, maybe he will do a Heynckes and revive his career but that's rare and only someone willing to put his past successes behind can manage the likes of Leverkusen and put himself back on the map, you also need friends in a top club.
Still won a La liga and PL title with Chelsea which is not bad. Can't say he's a failure whenever he fails to win a CL. Only at Madrid really.
 

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Heard he was moaning again about Pep and Klopp being backed.

Said when Bravo didn’t work out for Pep he could buy another goalkeeper.
 

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Yeah he was correct that the players he himself bought turned out to be shit and Ed should have let him break a few more transfer records so he can turn around a year later and call them useless.

He saddled us with Lukaku, Bailly, Sanchez on astronomical wages and Matic. He picked fights with a player he bought for a then world record transfer money.

He always had a bark but its bad when he loses his bite and still keeps barking.
 

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Still won a La liga and PL title with Chelsea which is not bad. Can't say he's a failure whenever he fails to win a CL. Only at Madrid really.
I said that he wasn't at his best which isn't the same as being a failure. Also when you have one of the best player in football and spend as much as Madrid spend, his results werren't exactly good, the same could be said with Chelsea.
 

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Hate the way Mourinho acts like he wasn't given any money like Spurs not spending anything in two windows. Mourinho bought a full-back, two centre-backs, three centre midfielders, an attacking midfielder, a forward and two strikers. Some were the most sought after in world football - Lukaku one of the top young players in the league, Pogba world record player, Mkhitaryan one of the best players in Bundesliga. By the end or his reign he was barely playing any of his players. He said when other managers make mistakes they are allowed to buy again to improve. What was the point in Lindelof then after buying Bailly? What was the point in Fred? Was Sanchez not a replacement for Mkhitaryan?

United just didn't buy anywhere near well enough, which is shown by Ferguson's players like Young, Smalling and Jones still getting games.
 

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Heard he was moaning again about Pep and Klopp being backed.

Said when Bravo didn’t work out for Pep he could buy another goalkeeper.
Its hilarious. He will focus on the signings that Klopp or Pep got wrong instead of the majority that they got right and believe that's the difference in fortunes. Why couldn't he see the potential in players he had like Salah or De Bruyne? Why wasn't he in the mix for players like VVD, Mane, Sane, Jesus who could all have been gettable but I doubt it was ever a profile of player he wanted or looked at.
 

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Its hilarious. He will focus on the signings that Klopp or Pep got wrong instead of the majority that they got right and believe that's the difference in fortunes. Why couldn't he see the potential in players he had like Salah or De Bruyne? Why wasn't he in the mix for players like VVD, Mane, Sane, Jesus who could all have been gettable but I doubt it was ever a profile of player he wanted or looked at.
The stick why he did not see potential in Salah and De Bruyne, is a bit redundant, as players playing in their position at the time they would not dislodge, and the fact is he still went on to win thiings, secondly at such a young age, what you need is games rather than sitting on the bench, just ask Shaquri and Mahrez how fun it is to sit on a bench and play the odd game, or read the forum about how Martial and Rashford having beiing performing for quite some time.

Matic and Lukaku are Mourinho type of players, and both players are good players,Matic just needs a break as he has been constantly rushed back from injuries, next season you will see a much improved performance, as for Lukaku, he just needs to improve his first touch and he will be ok, and loose all that bulk he put on this season. Bailly can be a good player, but he is rash at times in his tackles, which is a problem related to concerntration in his game. Sanchez and Fred seem more of a club signing, look at the promotional video the club used to welcome them here.

Even if Jose signing were not good, common sense says move them on and replace them, mitigating your loss, by getting rid of deadwood. Just like every club does.

Does Jose have a history of buying duds?
 
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Keep moaning moaning moaning, keep moaning moaning moaning.

Limp Bizkit should do a re run with this prick.
 

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The stick why he did not see potential in Salah and De Bruyne, is a bit redundant
Its has relevance when his proposed approach is to continue to move on/replace players who he deems not up to scratch rather than question if he was at fault for not getting enough out of the players (or if he signed the right players in the first place). The two managers he references have shown they can get world class performances from his cast offs.

Even if Jose signing were not good, common sense says move them on and replace them, mitigating your loss, by getting rid of deadwood. Just like every club does.
Exactly it happens to every club but most managers don't hang their whole managerial performance at a club on a single issue (when there were clearly many other things that he did wrong).

Does Jose have a history of buying duds?
I am sure over the course of his career he had his share of good and bad signings. From United's perspective certainly a lot of his players did not work out as well as hoped.
 

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Man he is salty and bitter as fek. He's completely ignoring his demeanour, disrespect and constant feuds he had with everyone, on top of signing buch of flops and having us play some horrible, soul-crushing football. If one can even call that football.

You could see it clearly how City were shaping under Guardiola and the same goes for Klopp, they've made their teams fun to watch and competing for the highest honours, whilst Mourinho had us all go full masochists, 3rd year in we looked as disjointed as we did on the day one of his tenure. Also the majority of their signings worked out for them, something that cannot be said for Mourinho's signings. Fair to point out that the grinning cnut had to sell his best player in Coutinho in order to strengthen in order positions.
 

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Bayern, Juventus, Barca, PSG and to somewhat lesser extends City and Real - these are the clubs to whome success comes easy. Would any of them take him? I don't think so. If he doesn't want to take a break or an early retirement job (e.g. China, some national team) he might just have to look at the likes of Lyon.
Ancelotti went Napoli as well.
When he took over Porto, nobody would've fancied him to win everything with them.
When he took over Inter, nobody would've thought that he could win everything with them.
I guess he is planning to do the same with a 2nd tier club. He'll have complete control and when he gets complete control, he usually does well. The breakdown happens, when power is taken away from him.

To use MUFC as an example, while he had control, he won 2 trophies in his first season and got us our highest league place finish since Fergie retired. In the Summer of his demise, Woodward vetoed all Jose's transfer requests and it went downhill, fast.

So, as long Lyon are willing to give him complete control over footballing matters, he could win trophies with them.
 

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Mourinho has been sacked by Chelsea,Madrid,Chelsea and United. He has managed to turn most players in his last 3 spells against him and he does not see the need to change his methods. His football style is nowhere near the best football being played and watching Barca vs Liverpool yesterday and Ajax against Spurs was a joy to watch. To me United stand for good attacking football, pace, trickery and a willingness to give youth a chance. Mourinho is a dinosaur and really a upgraded version of Warnock and Pulis. Watching game after game where Fellaini was supposed to be plan B was difficult to take. He got a lot of money to spend but did some awful signings and instead of improving players like Klopp and Pochettino do he cried out for more money. Would you have given him more after his signings. Living in a hotel for the whole time was sending a wrong signal, behaving like a idiot did not help and showing no respect for anybody does matter. The man talks constantly about his past achivements but would you have seen Fergie do that once? You always need to look forward to the next step rather than to blow your own horn. Mourinho wanted to make this all about himself and that was the main problem plus everything is somebody´s else fault. The simple fact is that when you are paid the big bucks to stear a club like United you need to step up and do it. Mourinho did not and then seemed to be doing everything in his power to get the sack.
 

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When he took over Porto, nobody would've fancied him to win everything with them.
When he took over Inter, nobody would've thought that he could win everything with them.
I guess he is planning to do the same with a 2nd tier club. He'll have complete control and when he gets complete control, he usually does well. The breakdown happens, when power is taken away from him.

To use MUFC as an example, while he had control, he won 2 trophies in his first season and got us our highest league place finish since Fergie retired. In the Summer of his demise, Woodward vetoed all Jose's transfer requests and it went downhill, fast.

So, as long Lyon are willing to give him complete control over footballing matters, he could win trophies with them.
Although Fergie still managed to win the title thanks to a typical Glazer/Woody knockdown price signing (rvp) he knew the writing was on the wall. (No value... if you see a cow in a field etc...) Even Fergie was far less effective with his hands tied behind his back. Still had the remnants, albeit remnants on the wane (Wayne?) of a previous title winning side, he miraculously managed to win another title. Ronaldo gone, Scholes and Giggs and more all but finished, he was reduced to signing Owen, Obertan, Valencia, Buttner etc as replacements. He also had his complete control taken away. Great managers need to be allowed to manage. They have the runs on the board when allowed to do so but as soon as you get twats like Glazers, Abramovich, Perez meddling.... what is the point in trusting a manager enough to employ him but then failing to back him? Please don’t tell be he bought Fred, Sanchez, Darmian, never mind (lvg) crocked Schwein on his pension top-up, Falcao, di Maria etc etc all players signed over the managers head. A lot of what Mourinho has said is coming to light (perspective on Oles initial winning run, players attitude, denied players he wanted to sign but given players that Woody, with all his football know-how, preferred and knew better) Nothing short of miraculous how he won trophies and came 2nd with this bunch of shithouse players and ceo/ownership. Hope I’m wrong, but it’ll be a long time before we enjoy another little run like that, even though none were elitist trophies.
 

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I'm genuinely starting to think he's going to start next season with no club, otherwise we all would know his club by now.

His wage demands also make him an unwanted target for clubs like Dortmund / Lyon / Roma.

Unless Bayern gives him an offer, can't see where could he go.
 

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Seems a bit petulant to say this at this stage. It's not like Woodward never backed him at all. He's made quite a few (rubbish) signings didn't he?

I'm sure he'll land another big job soon though. He's still of of the biggest names in world football if you ask me.
 

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Seems a bit petulant to say this at this stage. It's not like Woodward never backed him at all. He's made quite a few (rubbish) signings didn't he?

I'm sure he'll land another big job soon though. He's still of of the biggest names in world football if you ask me.
I wouldn't be so sure about that. The big doors are closing.

- PSG renewed with Tuchel
- Inter is signing Conte
- Madrid re-signed Zidane
- Juventus renewed with Allegri
- Chelsea / Arsenal will not offer him a job
- Roma / Lyon / Marseille / Milan / Dortmund / etc can't afford his wage.

Unless he accepts a wage cut...
 

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I wouldn't be so sure about that. The big doors are closing.

- PSG renewed with Tuchel
- Inter is signing Conte
- Madrid re-signed Zidane
- Juventus renewed with Allegri
- Chelsea / Arsenal will not offer him a job
- Roma / Lyon / Marseille / Milan / Dortmund / etc can't afford his wage.

Unless he accepts a wage cut...
That's a good point actually. Maybe Bayern München then?
 

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That's a good point actually. Maybe Bayern München then?
No way, could you imagine him playing mind games with their board? Rummenigge would probably fight him :lol:
 

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Fitness plays important role in how team plays. Also its not the excuse used when team don't perform, at least Solskjaer said about fitness in Jan when we were on winning run.

How can team execute pressing and playing with high intensity when they are out of gas after 45 mins?
And the team has no fitness to press because Mourinho was there 3 years and nothing to do with the lack of quality of the squad or the current management over this months didn’t had enough time to minimise that? And do you know how Mourinho worked at that level? For me the problem is lack of quality. Excuses or no excuses.
 

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And the team has no fitness to press because Mourinho was there 3 years and nothing to do with the lack of quality of the squad or the current management over this months didn’t had enough time to minimise that? And do you know how Mourinho worked at that level? For me the problem is lack of quality. Excuses or no excuses.
We pressed in first month and then many players had muscular injuries, that's when we were back to Jose football. ManUtd were in top 3 or 5 in distance covered under Van Gaal and 19th-20th under Jose. It's not coincidence.
 

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We pressed in first month and then many players had muscular injuries, that's when we were back to Jose football. ManUtd were in top 3 or 5 in distance covered under Van Gaal and 19th-20th under Jose. It's not coincidence.
And those stats were during the 3 years or only this season? Out of curiosity.
 

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And those stats were during the 3 years or only this season? Out of curiosity.
Last 2 season we were last or near last in running stats. Under Van Gaal we were 3rd or in top 5.

Also this season we didn't out sprint our opponents under Ole (only once we did when Fulham were down to 10 players), under Ole we made more sprints than opponents in first 9 games IIRC. Then the injury problems and all that, now we are back to low intensity games.

Solskjaer said in first or second week when he took over that we have to work on fitness and he repeated it many times that we should work harder than any team but we don't have time to work on fitness and something we will work in preseason. Also set players challenge to come in good shape for preseason. It's sort of clear message how lacking we are in fitness and how shit our preparation was. Hopefully it changes next season.
 

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Last 2 season we were last or near last in running stats. Under Van Gaal we were 3rd or in top 5.

Also this season we didn't out sprint our opponents under Ole (only once we did when Fulham were down to 10 players), under Ole we made more sprints than opponents in first 9 games IIRC. Then the injury problems and all that, now we are back to low intensity games.

Solskjaer said in first or second week when he took over that we have to work on fitness and he repeated it many times that we should work harder than any team but we don't have time to work on fitness and something we will work in preseason. Also set players challenge to come in good shape for preseason. It's sort of clear message how lacking we are in fitness and how shit our preparation was. Hopefully it changes next season.
We will see then that magic next season.
 

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We will see then that magic next season.

2016-17 - 20th
https://www.express.co.uk/pictures/sport/12360/Premier-League-distance-game-sportgalleries

2017-18 - 20th
https://www.dreamteamfc.com/c/news-gossip/371527/premier-league-table-distance-covered-this-season/

2015-16 (under Van Gaal) - 4th
https://www.skysports.com/football/...er-in-2016-than-any-other-premier-league-team

There are so many reports on how Klopp, Conte, Poch all had very intense session in preseason to improve fitness, Lallana who used to be subbed out at 60th min every game became a work machine under Klopp.

Fitness preparation is very important and it's not magic.
 

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Liverpool under Klopp become one of the best team in Europe although they won nothing.

United under Jose won two mickey mouse cup and become weaker and weaker.
Big club fans don't really care about the mickey mouse cup
Wait for City to get to a European final first, before calling a European trophy “a mickey mouse cup”.
 

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2016-17 - 20th
https://www.express.co.uk/pictures/sport/12360/Premier-League-distance-game-sportgalleries

2017-18 - 20th
https://www.dreamteamfc.com/c/news-gossip/371527/premier-league-table-distance-covered-this-season/

2015-16 (under Van Gaal) - 4th
https://www.skysports.com/football/...er-in-2016-than-any-other-premier-league-team

There are so many reports on how Klopp, Conte, Poch all had very intense session in preseason to improve fitness, Lallana who used to be subbed out at 60th min every game became a work machine under Klopp.

Fitness preparation is very important and it's not magic.
I never said it isn’t but it’s frequently used as a excuse when teams don’t perform to use fitness. I mean there is much more on training than only fitness.

And by the way distance covered doesn’t mean by itself lack of fitness, if a manager doesn’t want to setup his team to play further up the pitch it’s normal the distance covered might be smaller, but ok let’s wait and see.