I am not comparing them at similar ages, i am comparing them currently and in no way is Rashford currently as good as ManeTell us what Mane was doing at 22. And Martial should be compared to Firmino not Salah
I am not comparing them at similar ages, i am comparing them currently and in no way is Rashford currently as good as ManeTell us what Mane was doing at 22. And Martial should be compared to Firmino not Salah
Take away the counter attacks and Rashford is useless. Meaning he is a footballer who relies ALOT on his pace and technically is very average. He would not be a starter in the great United sides under Ferguson for sure.I don't trust you. You haven't made a convincing case.
Mane is better but I'd think a 22 year old who has similar stats to him this season should be given more creditI am not comparing them at similar ages, i am comparing them currently and in no way is Rashford currently as good as Mane
It's going to be mshnsh vs the caf soonTake away the counter attacks and Rashford is useless. Meaning he is a footballer who relies ALOT on his pace and technically is very average. He would not be a starter in the great United sides under Ferguson for sure.
Take away the counter attacks and Rashford is useless. Meaning he is a footballer who relies ALOT on his pace and technically is very average. He would not be a starter in the great United sides under Ferguson for sure.
Take away the counter attacks and Rashford is useless. Meaning he is a footballer who relies ALOT on his pace and technically is very average. He would not be a starter in the great United sides under Ferguson for sure.
Whoever converted Bale into winger is stupidAgreed. Stupid to try and convert a fullback into our main RW for next season even if we miss out on Sancho.
Let's all convert full backs to wingers since bale worked outWhoever converted Bale into winger is stupid
Whoever converted Bale into winger is stupid
What.the.Feck ???Take away the counter attacks and Rashford is useless. Meaning he is a footballer who relies ALOT on his pace and technically is very average. He would not be a starter in the great United sides under Ferguson for sure.
Take away the counter attacks and Rashford is useless. Meaning he is a footballer who relies ALOT on his pace and technically is very average. He would not be a starter in the great United sides under Ferguson for sure.
Trust me Salah and Mane are easily better players than both Rashford and Martial. They bring much more than goals compared to our forwards.
Honestly, i dont understand the hype behind Rashford. He is, for me, not United quality. However, I hope he proves me wrong.
Rashford agendas in 2020 you knowTake away the counter attacks and Rashford is useless. Meaning he is a footballer who relies ALOT on his pace and technically is very average. He would not be a starter in the great United sides under Ferguson for sure.
I think you're confusing technique with growing issues.Take away the counter attacks and Rashford is useless. Meaning he is a footballer who relies ALOT on his pace and technically is very average. He would not be a starter in the great United sides under Ferguson for sure.
I predict that if we don't get Sancho in the summer we'll go for someone like David Brooks, experienced in the PL and has high potential. We then can look to buy Sancho in 2021.Go for Ryan Fraser on a free and wait for the next big player to be available. + Grealish
It's clear we need something, but we don't want to halt Greenwood's development for nothing neither
This thread is fun.Take away the counter attacks and Rashford is useless. Meaning he is a footballer who relies ALOT on his pace and technically is very average. He would not be a starter in the great United sides under Ferguson for sure.
So because it worked for one player in a different team we should move Brandon Williams to RW?Whoever converted Bale into winger is stupid
It would be completely stupid to convert Williams to a RW.Agree on this one, it's not stupid to convert fullback to winger. Player like Dalot & Sessegnon (Spurs) are those full backs who have asset to be winger. We've seen history of how some full back can become a very good winger and Bale is one of the example who can go to the level of winning you something. However, that's only if the player has asset to be one and Williams doesn't have the asset to be one. It becomes more silly idea to nominate him before James, Greenwood, Chong & Dalot first.
Give him time to respond to be fair.@mshnsh dropped a bomb and ran off
Take away the counter attacks and Rashford is useless. Meaning he is a footballer who relies ALOT on his pace and technically is very average. He would not be a starter in the great United sides under Ferguson for sure.
I predict that if we don't get Sancho in the summer we'll go for someone like David Brooks, experienced in the PL and has high potential. We then can look to buy Sancho in 2021.
The guy that's been injured all season and hardly played for Bournemouth in the first place. He's another Dan James signing that won't help us in the short term.I predict that if we don't get Sancho in the summer we'll go for someone like David Brooks, experienced in the PL and has high potential. We then can look to buy Sancho in 2021.
So I’ve done my homework on Buendia and I must say while I never really considered him as an option if we fail for Sancho it would be a clever and cost effective signing that does offer something genuinely different than James/Greenwood do.We should not buy any other right winger, unless he rejects us, and Tells us he wants Spain or London, then we need to look elsewhere
Consider Buendia, Norwich goes down, that is a good deal. Or maybe a wide striker. Werner comes to mind.
Fair enough mate. I just prefer passive-aggressiveness, sarcasm, and eventually backing down and giving up.At the end of the day it was just me defending my point that I wasn't being negative but I was just being realistic.
Stats do not paint the whole picture. The liverpool forwards have been unequivocally better than ours in recent seasons including this one.
Fair enough mate. I just prefer passive-aggressiveness, sarcasm, and eventually backing down and giving up.
Haha damn you're goodFair enough, but I would rather we are going on discussion rather than being sarcastic.
I made counter argument to counter the poster's point to discuss it rather than wind others up with sarcasm. Unfortunately some people just can't accept counter argument and when they can't respond then they use sarcasm to feel better and eventually back down.
Marcus Edwards is another top, top talent, glides through players with consummate ease, locomotion to take players out the game like his assist against Czech Republic at the U19 Championships
Pochettino said:"He has authority and behavioural problems, and we have to look at the bigger picture to find out the root cause. There was a time when it would have been seen as impossible for him to play professionally, let alone make it in the Premier League. Our challenge is to get him to accept the pathway we've laid out for him, and it's our responsibility to make sure he behaves himself when he trains with the first team (with all the rules and obligations this involves)"
Marcus Edwards said:"I know I was a bit difficult when I was going through the academy."
Marcus Edwards
He initially caught my interest with his impressive performances for Spurs and England at youth level.
This is taken from a post of mine in 2017
In this post I was proven to be incorrect when I predicted it was only a matter of time before Edwards was introduced in the starting berth for Spurs. Pochettino would reveal how he was disappointed by his attitude, and mentality. As illustrated below:
Marcus Edwards has admitted to having a questionable attitude -
However, it seems like going out of his comfort zone (currently plays in Portugal for Vitória S.C) has brought some much needed maturity.
One area which Marcus Edwards has matured in his game is his eagerness to receive the ball.
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The above is from a game against Benfica this season.
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Here he receives the ball by the touchline, and his immediate reaction is to pick out his teammates, as opposed to dribbling with his head down in an attempt to do it all by himself. This has been a criticism of him in the past. To digress for a brief moment, it was very recently when Daniel James received criticism for playing with tunnel vision against Man City, going for goal when Bruno Fernandes was in a better position.
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I particularly liked this moment against Benfica. Nice vision here, tantalisingly close. It was put to a halt as the keeper came out. But the idea was good.
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Now against Porto, he once again has the ball up. This time its when he's moving at pace.
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Perfect execution here as this defence splitting pass leads to one of the best opportunities in the game.
Marcus Edwards vs the big three in Portugal
Benfica:
It was an encounter where Vitória S.C. put in an admirable performances. Not a one sided affair by any stretches of the imagination. Without mentioning the instances of the pictures above, there was a moment of individual brilliance with a dribble in a tightly congested area. In terms of position, he was consistently situated in dangerous areas. Sometimes he was offering himself as an outlet by staying wide and providing width, other times he was finding himself in between Taarabt and Pires, other times positioned by the half spaces.
Porto:
So apart from the defence splitting pass which is in an image above, he had other noteworthy moments.The game against Porto offered a different dynamic to the one against Benfica, as Porto were very dominant. In any case, Edwards had a shot cleared off the line, with the keeper beaten. In the latter stages of the game he almost got a pre-assist,
Sporting CP:
• 5 of 7 dribbles completed
• 5 shot contributions
• 4 fouls won
• 1 goal
European Stage
Scored against Arsenal and Eintracht Frankfurt.
There was another moment against Arsenal I liked .... a flee footed dribble which started from his own half and ended by him advancing to the opposing box at a very high pace.
Areas he can improve
Sometimes he can be a bit soft. There was a moment against Benfica where Taarabt barely touched him, and he was on the floor. He did win a free kick, but I felt it was soft myself. Additionally, he's one footed, I remember him shifting his body to do an outside of the boot pass with his dominant left footed, instead of the much simpler option with just using his right foot. In the dying stages of the game against Porto, he did a fantastic job of trapping the ball dead, beat a player from that standing position, and then he spoiled it by attempting another a dribble. A dribble which wasn't neccessary, even if it was successful. The moment needed a desperate shot, or a last ditch pass. On that note, I'd like to see him shoot more.
How difficult would it be to get him?
He has a £13.6 million release clause to my knowledge. Potentially great from his perspective too, as I spotted numerous occasions where he was let down by his teammates.
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Ignores the run of Edwards, and squares it instead.
Edwards in space, full back turns around
Edwards free on the right, player dribbles to the left touchline and then gets dispossessed
Stats:
FWR (Forward right) - 4 goals and 1 assist in 7 appearances = 7.85 WhoScored rating
AMR (Attacking midfield right) - 1 goal and 2 assists in 3 appearances = 7.41 WhoScored rating
MR (Midfielder right) - 1 goal and 1 assist in 9 appearances = 6.90 WhoScored rating
Marcus Edwards
He initially caught my interest with his impressive performances for Spurs and England at youth level.
This is taken from a post of mine in 2017
In this post I was proven to be incorrect when I predicted it was only a matter of time before Edwards was introduced in the starting berth for Spurs. Pochettino would reveal how he was disappointed by his attitude, and mentality. As illustrated below:
Marcus Edwards has admitted to having a questionable attitude -
However, it seems like going out of his comfort zone (currently plays in Portugal for Vitória S.C) has brought some much needed maturity.
One area which Marcus Edwards has matured in his game is his eagerness to receive the ball.
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The above is from a game against Benfica this season.
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Here he receives the ball by the touchline, and his immediate reaction is to pick out his teammates, as opposed to dribbling with his head down in an attempt to do it all by himself. This has been a criticism of him in the past. To digress for a brief moment, it was very recently when Daniel James received criticism for playing with tunnel vision against Man City, going for goal when Bruno Fernandes was in a better position.
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I particularly liked this moment against Benfica. Nice vision here, tantalisingly close. It was put to a halt as the keeper came out. But the idea was good.
Before
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Now against Porto, he once again has the ball up. This time its when he's moving at pace.
After
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Perfect execution here as this defence splitting pass leads to one of the best opportunities in the game.
Marcus Edwards vs the big three in Portugal
Benfica:
It was an encounter where Vitória S.C. put in an admirable performances. Not a one sided affair by any stretches of the imagination. Without mentioning the instances of the pictures above, there was a moment of individual brilliance with a dribble in a tightly congested area. In terms of position, he was consistently situated in dangerous areas. Sometimes he was offering himself as an outlet by staying wide and providing width, other times he was finding himself in between Taarabt and Pires, other times positioned by the half spaces.
Porto:
So apart from the defence splitting pass which is in an image above, he had other noteworthy moments.The game against Porto offered a different dynamic to the one against Benfica, as Porto were very dominant. In any case, Edwards had a shot cleared off the line, with the keeper beaten. In the latter stages of the game he almost got a pre-assist,
Sporting CP:
• 5 of 7 dribbles completed
• 5 shot contributions
• 4 fouls won
• 1 goal
European Stage
Scored against Arsenal and Eintracht Frankfurt.
There was another moment against Arsenal I liked .... a flee footed dribble which started from his own half and ended by him advancing to the opposing box at a very high pace.
Areas he can improve
Sometimes he can be a bit soft. There was a moment against Benfica where Taarabt barely touched him, and he was on the floor. He did win a free kick, but I felt it was soft myself. Additionally, he's one footed, I remember him shifting his body to do an outside of the boot pass with his dominant left footed, instead of the much simpler option with just using his right foot. In the dying stages of the game against Porto, he did a fantastic job of trapping the ball dead, beat a player from that standing position, and then he spoiled it by attempting another a dribble. A dribble which wasn't neccessary, even if it was successful. The moment needed a desperate shot, or a last ditch pass. On that note, I'd like to see him shoot more.
How difficult would it be to get him?
He has a £13.6 million release clause to my knowledge. Potentially great from his perspective too, as I spotted numerous occasions where he was let down by his teammates.
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Ignores the run of Edwards, and squares it instead.
Edwards in space, full back turns around
Edwards free on the right, player dribbles to the left touchline and then gets dispossessed
Stats:
FWR (Forward right) - 4 goals and 1 assist in 7 appearances = 7.85 WhoScored rating
AMR (Attacking midfield right) - 1 goal and 2 assists in 3 appearances = 7.41 WhoScored rating
MR (Midfielder right) - 1 goal and 1 assist in 9 appearances = 6.90 WhoScored rating
This is sort of how I feel. If we can't get Sancho I'd rather get someone experienced who doesn't need to develop, rather than another Daniel James (not a criticism of James, I just mean someone young and raw).Really great post with good examples but...
We need someone on that RW already at a top level otherwise James/Greenwood should just be given a go.
Edwards no doubt has potential but I don’t see the club seeing him as a viable investment.
However I wouldn’t be surprised if he returns to the PL in the future.
This is sort of how I feel. If we can't get Sancho I'd rather get someone experienced who doesn't need to develop, rather than another Daniel James (not a criticism of James, I just mean someone young and raw).
He has a different skill set than both of them. He has qualities which they don't have, and they have qualities that he doesn't. Whilst I don't disagree with the sentiment of a top quality acquisition being paramount. Sometimes if there's a paucity of established options, it might be worth delving into younger alternatives. It might be the case that player X isn't refined enough to be regarded as a top player, but at the same time, may have a specific quality which holds in good stead compared to contemporaries. Of course, you would need to assess the young alternatives already at ones disposal and I include the youth system in that. Given our current options a go leads to my next point ...Really great post with good examples but...
We need someone on that RW already at a top level otherwise James/Greenwood should just be given a go.
Edwards no doubt has potential but I don’t see the club seeing him as a viable investment.
However I wouldn’t be surprised if he returns to the PL in the future.
If we cant get SAncho for £100m I would probably spend that money on Federico Chiesa and Upamecano, think we could get both for pretty much the same price as Sancho. Add Grealish for about £75m and then Jones, Perreira, Lingard, Sanchez, Rojo, Smalling out (ideally a couple more too) and you are looking at £100m odd net spend.
If we cant get SAncho for £100m I would probably spend that money on Federico Chiesa and Upamecano, think we could get both for pretty much the same price as Sancho. Add Grealish for about £75m and then Jones, Perreira, Lingard, Sanchez, Rojo, Smalling out (ideally a couple more too) and you are looking at £100m odd net spend.