What would make you change your opinion on Ole

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Nothing. We've been dreadful for almost 12 months, there's nothing that makes me think we're suddenly going to improve. You don't just go from bad to good in the flick of a switch.
 

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More than one style of play and an ability to break teams down and I'd maybe rethink. At the moment his lack of tactical sophistication has me convinced he'll never be good enough, no matter what personnel we bring in.
 

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Ole out here.
For me it is a complete change of style from him. His ideal way currently is counterattacking. When we have possession otherwise we don't have any clue what to do with it, so I can't say what he wants us to do there.
Counterattacking football has won one premier league title in the last decade. Most CL winning teams also are not counterattacking based teams.
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If Ole gets every player he wants and implements his philosophy of counterattacking football with us we still wouldn't win much. The time for this sort of football has passed and we need a manager who has a more possession based philosophy.
 
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What will make you change your opinion on Bebe?

Nothing really, you can't polish a turd.
Might be too late now. Not knowing Bebes age.
Although Vardy turned good pretty late didn't he.
Many other examples of that too.

Not that it is relevant for Ole. Although he could potentially improve too.
I think we should bring in a better manager with higher odds to do well even if Ole improves a bit.
Stil I would not totally rule out Ole even if I have been critical about everything he has done so far.
At least ruin a team with minimal team can make it easier to improve on it if we invest properly this summer.
I am not a fan of ruin a side to make it easier to improve. Although in the long run it can work, but only if it is followed by good building.
Not seeing that from us at all.

Tactics and coaching need to change mainly. We are far from good enough as a team in attack.
Can't depend on Rashford to save the day or Pogba.
 

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Might be too late now. Not knowing Bebes age.
Although Vardy turned good pretty late didn't he.
Many other examples of that too.

Not that it is relevant for Ole. Although he could potentially improve too.
I think we should bring in a better manager with higher odds to do well even if Ole improves a bit.
Stil I would not totally rule out Ole even if I have been critical about everything he has done so far.
At least ruin a team with minimal team can make it easier to improve on it if we invest properly this summer.

Tactics and coaching need to change though. We are far from good enough as a team in attack.
Can't depend on Rashford to save the day or Pogba.
Bebe is 29 and currently playing at Vallecano in Segunda.

Exception doesn't make it a rule though. We can buy Bebe back and hope he can turn alright and improve. Probably has the same chance as Solskjaer too.
 

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Something actually positive on the pitch. Turning around the dreadful performances against any side that forces us to attack. It still wouldn't be enough to make me think he's the longterm answer though, because he isn't.
 

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I get what you saying and i understand your point of view. the problem i have is that if this for any other reason was a season where everybody performed to their ability we would be nowhere near the top 4. i would expect everything going wrong at our beloved club to actually be happening to Frank at Chelsea. What does ole want is what my main gripe is. i dont see a style of football i see inexperience throughout his whole coaching team.

Let me put it into context and step away from football. look at it from a business perspective. If he was leading a company with his credentials they wouldve filed for bankruptcy long ago.
 

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As long as we get champions league next season, I'll remain as Ole in. As simple as that.
 

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There's no need to rehash all the arguments, we've all read them a thousand times. What if he won the Europa League and came 4th would that change your mind?
It's relevant because fixing half of the things he wrote Is what will make people change their minds. Coming 4th or winning a cup while all those things exist will look like fluking an unsustainable result. Without that our ceiling with Ole is very low. Can't tell if Ole thinks all he has to do to win is buy good players and get them fit and inspired
 

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Im very much in the Ole in side.

But i have to admit that recent picture of him trying to hug martial after the Wolves ( think it was that game ) really irked me to be honest.

Martial had just put in a utter trash performance and seeing Ole trying to bloody hug me after the game is just not right.

Trying too hard to be friends with everyone is not going to get the results long term imo.
 

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Is there really any need for that?
If that wasn't Ole, what would you call a manager that relegated Cardiff(almost in Championship as well) and breaks all sorts of negative records at United?

I'm really done with romanticism and sentimentality. If that was Moyes at helm people would have crucified him by now.
 

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So many threads are at loggerheads at the moment between Ole in and Ole out, both have good points, but I read the same arguments every day to the point of distraction and it's rare that anyone concedes anything, everything feels very entrenched and polarised.

So Ole in posters what would it take to change your position?

How low could the win rate percentage drop? or how low would you go in the league this season before you change your mind?

And Ole out posters, how many wins on the trot would change your mind, which signings in the summer might make you think again?

What does Ole do that changes anyone's opinion?
I expect to see better consistency in results and performances by the end of the year. I think we are going to have a big summer and we will address the problems in the squad. Only then do I think its truly fair to judge him and make him accountable for that.
 

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Had he been a quality manager. But he isn't.
 

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Nothing. We had enough time to see how out of his depth he is here. 5-10 wins in a row wouldn’t change that, just paper over the cracks. Must be sacked asap.
 

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Yeah we need to see some better coaching or at least that he tries.
Doing the same thing over and over again feels like stupidity when it do not work well.
If he goes out trying then I can give him more respect at least before he gets fired.

Moyes tried different things to be fair. He changed team and tactics a lot.
Although none of it being good enough in general and he got it totally wrong in the big league games against City and Pool
 

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If that wasn't Ole, what would you call a manager that relegated Cardiff(almost in Championship as well) and breaks all sorts of negative records at United?

I'm really done with romanticism and sentimentality. If that was Moyes at helm people would have crucified him by now.
The number of threads and the poll results on this forum show that he does not get any special treatment. I get the dissatisfaction, but the language used against someone that for better or worse actually cares about the club makes no sense to me.
 

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The number of threads and the poll results on this forum show that he does not get any special treatment. I get the dissatisfaction, but the language used against someone that for better or worse actually cares about the club makes no sense to me.
30% want him to continue the rebuild. If that was Moyes the numbers would probably be 3%. He does get special treatment and would be ingenious to believe otherwise.

Whether or not he cares for the club is irrelevant when he is a negative factor and drives the club into turmoil.

Good intentions doesn't mean that it does good for the club. The club is in it's worst state since years and he has huge part of it whilst also we continue to propel into the abyss.
 

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Nothing would. He lost the plot after his permanent appointment and has never regained it since. We looked clueless at the end of last season when we were getting beat by relegated teams. We have looked majorly clueless in some of our astounding defeats this season. A few wins against the tide have kept him in the job so far. He thinned out the squad without getting in replacements first. The injury crisis is his own doing. He bet his chips on Pogba who has been absent forever now. We have the lowest points after 25 games since eternity. Despite millions being spent on defence we have leaked goals. We have passed up numerous chances to grab 4th place so far. We are only 8th now because the rest of the league barring Pool, City and Leicester have been wank. In a regular season we would be 14 now.

But just out of interest in your thread I would give him a target of
1. 10 wins in remaining 13 prem games
2. Europa Final
3. FA Final
Now that would be something, but sadly wont happen.
 

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Now that would be something, but sadly wont happen.
Would be nice though. He had a run like that last season or even better.
Burnley, Liverpool and then Arsenal our 3 games we dropped points in for the first 13 games.

Maybe Edd should fire Ole only to bring him back ;). Would be fun. At least can't make it worse.
Like a kick up his ass. Not sure he would accept the new improved offer though ;). Edd and Glaziers would never dare try a move like that even if it could give CL.
They will just keep everything as it is and act when nothing is left to play for.
 
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Ole In here.
I'll give him till October (the 2nd international break basically) to prove that he deserves time. He's done a good job rebuilding the squad so far, and I'd like to see what his side looks like .He's been unlucky with injuries ( lack of depth can be pinned on him, but I sort of understand his reasoning behind buying only those players who can help us win the league than buying players on huge money and wages who can just help us become a top 4 side)
As far as system is concerned, we've not had a consistent Starting XI. Whenever we have been on the up, the progress has been halted by an injury or two. Before anyone comments that I'm pinning all the blame on injuries, it isn't. I'm defending Ole because of our record vs bigger sides, and also because we've been unlucky in quite a few games. A good number of our players have progressed really well (many of them having their best season ever), and we've given fair chances to quite a lot of our youngsters.
3-4 signings along with the natural progression of our current players and I believe we can at least start having 75 point seasons on a consistent basis
 

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30% want him to continue the rebuild. If that was Moyes the numbers would probably be 3%. He does get special treatment and would be ingenious to believe otherwise.

Whether or not he cares for the club is irrelevant when he is a negative factor and drives the club into turmoil.

Good intentions doesn't mean that it does good for the club. The club is in it's worst state since years and he has huge part of it whilst also we continue to propel into the abyss.
Moyes took over the champions, Ole took over one of the most miss managed big clubs in recent history, not exactly like for like. The club is not in it's worst state imo, but in a genuine rebuild full of very talented young players that can only grow together but with obvious shortcomings that can only be addressed in the market and the natural inconsistency of youth. If this time next year we are in the same situation i'll eat humble pie.
 

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I can't really think of much. I want to see the most qualified and talented managers manage Man Utd and I don't see anything Ole has done in his 10 years as a manager that suggests he is the man for the us. He had his first very 15 game run which landed the job and then it's been all downhill since PSG.

I wasn't impressed when Jose landed us in 6th place and won the europa league and the league cup, and I won't be impressed if Ole manages to barely scrape top 4 in the easiest year ever to get top 4.

I don't find winning the EL with Man Utd impressive either. You get to call yourself the champions of the european midtable teams. yay!
 

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Moyes took over the champions, Ole took over one of the most miss managed big clubs in recent history, not exactly like for like. The club is not in it's worst state imo, but in a genuine rebuild full of very talented young players that can only grow together but with obvious shortcomings that can only be addressed in the market and the natural inconsistency of youth. If this time next year we are in the same situation i'll eat humble pie.
But my point is if it wasn't Ole the player, can you imagine how the fan base would turn on to someone like say Moyes?

I call out a crap manager as soon as I see one. What he did as a player is irrelevant to me. Maradona was a fantastic player yet turd of a manager, why can't people just differentiate the two?
 

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Him becoming a competent coach would change my opinion on him. Not winning x amount of games this season, or dropping this or that player. Despite the issues from top to bottom, Manchester United needs a top class coach/manager. There is no escaping that and there is zero evidence Ole is that man.
 

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Im very much in the Ole in side.

But i have to admit that recent picture of him trying to hug martial after the Wolves ( think it was that game ) really irked me to be honest.

Martial had just put in a utter trash performance and seeing Ole trying to bloody hug me after the game is just not right.

Trying too hard to be friends with everyone is not going to get the results long term imo.

This is basically Ole's tactic. Be everyone's best mate, talk everyone up in the media and the players won't turn on him and down tools. That for Ole is part of the job done and dusted, the remainder of his tactic is just hoping results improve. He's basically looked at how Jose failed and has decided to do the complete opposite of that, which in some ways is a good approach but it's essentially his only approach.

And it's extremely damaging for young prospects to see this type of management - why be the best when mediocre will not only suffice, but will be rewarded, praised and encouraged?
 

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If he started chasing quick fixes and stopped producing good results against the better teams my opinion might change.
 

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Says more about you tbf.
What does it say about me? That I don't trust him to keep the success going as his history shows he hasn't been able to before? Does it say that I'm not a risk taker and would prefer stability over irrationality?
 

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A good fight at the very least for the top 4 spot and a very good cup run is the minimum I expect. Not sure it would totally change my mind but it gives an 'Ole in' argument some credibility.

A poor run at the end of the season and no chance of top 4 would be two dismal finishes in two successive seasons and wouldn't give me hope for the future. You can make the valid argument that the initial ten game winning start to Ole's reign put is in contention for top 4 in the first place last year but it still was a dismal end to the season.
 

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What does it say about me? That I don't trust him to keep the success going as his history shows he hasn't been able to before? Does it say that I'm not a risk taker and would prefer stability over irrationality?
Just that you might not change your mind even if he does well. If we play fairly good attacking football and most of the deadwood like Lingard start contributing.
Then it would be hard to say we should not give him another year if he wins a title and get CL football.
I don't think that will happen though which is another question.
 

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I’m torn with Ole because I agree with everything he’s doing in terms of squad building, he’s signing and ditching the right players. His tactics are questionable though. Personally I want to see how he does in the first half of next season, that should be enough time for him to have built the squad he wants. If it’s still not working by December then he’ll have to go (or earlier if it’s going really bad).
 

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Goes to show why we have fallen so low and why the fans have a part in it. Willing to accept a relegation battle to keep an incompetent manager at helm. :lol:
Please read posts properly before replying, I clearly said that in the event Woodward and Judge fail to provide Ole with a squad on which we can fairly judge him the only thing that would make me turn against Ole would be a relegation battle.

As you're incapable of reading a couple of simple sentences properly I probably now need to point out that this means I wouldn't be willing to accept a relegation battle.
 

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Please read posts properly before replying, I clearly said that in the event Woodward and Judge fail to provide Ole with a squad on which we can fairly judge him the only thing that would make me turn against Ole would be a relegation battle.

As you're incapable of reading a couple of simple sentences properly I probably now need to point out that this means I wouldn't be willing to accept a relegation battle.
You did say genuine relegation battle.

Willing to accept mid table mediocrity is not far from relegation battle, either way.
 

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I’m torn with Ole because I agree with everything he’s doing in terms of squad building, he’s signing and ditching the right players. His tactics are questionable though. Personally I want to see how he does in the first half of next season, that should be enough time for him to have built the squad he wants. If it’s still not working by December then he’ll have to go (or earlier if it’s going really bad).
Fair enough. I do not agree with the squad building part. Although we will see what he will do if he still is here.
Trusting the youth can payoff, but he needs to bring in top quality with them in my view.
Think a better/bigger name manager can do that easier.
We are very light up top. Not sure Greenwood is ready for a massive role and James have declined recently.
 

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CL qualification should be his minimum requirement but such was the rebuild he has had to do, that even CL qualification was a long shot at the start of the season.

I still feel he's gotten a lot of things right and if he can get Bruno and Pogba shining then that could turn around our season. But I actually can't see it happening because Rashford is our only really top top forward and I just think we are going to continue to be toothless in attack without him. Bruno should have a goal or two in him in some games, maybe Pogba too if he can be bothered, but apart from those two, where are the goals going to come from?

Igahlo may prove to be an important acquisition on loan, but I think it's unrealistic to expect him to be a consistent match winner. Europa League is really our only hope to salvage something this season.
 

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But my point is if it wasn't Ole the player, can you imagine how the fan base would turn on to someone like say Moyes?

I call out a crap manager as soon as I see one. What he did as a player is irrelevant to me. Maradona was a fantastic player yet turd of a manager, why can't people just differentiate the two?
I think it might be healthier all round if you didn't just presume that the 30% still support him because he played here.
 

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I’m torn with Ole because I agree with everything he’s doing in terms of squad building, he’s signing and ditching the right players. His tactics are questionable though. Personally I want to see how he does in the first half of next season, that should be enough time for him to have built the squad he wants. If it’s still not working by December then he’ll have to go (or earlier if it’s going really bad).
Again though, why would this need to be specific to Ole Gunnar Solskjaer? Any good manager who came would see that Sanchez was a busted flush and that Rojo, Young, Smalling (well, not as badly as Jones and co) were surplus to requirements. Any manager would have seen that Lukaku wanted out, but a stronger one might have insisted upon a replacement instead of going into the season understaffed.

Nothing Ole has done is different from what any other manager would have done, off the pitch.