Di Maria's angel
Captain of Moanchester United
Nothing. We've been dreadful for almost 12 months, there's nothing that makes me think we're suddenly going to improve. You don't just go from bad to good in the flick of a switch.
Might be too late now. Not knowing Bebes age.What will make you change your opinion on Bebe?
Nothing really, you can't polish a turd.
Bebe is 29 and currently playing at Vallecano in Segunda.Might be too late now. Not knowing Bebes age.
Although Vardy turned good pretty late didn't he.
Many other examples of that too.
Not that it is relevant for Ole. Although he could potentially improve too.
I think we should bring in a better manager with higher odds to do well even if Ole improves a bit.
Stil I would not totally rule out Ole even if I have been critical about everything he has done so far.
At least ruin a team with minimal team can make it easier to improve on it if we invest properly this summer.
Tactics and coaching need to change though. We are far from good enough as a team in attack.
Can't depend on Rashford to save the day or Pogba.
It's relevant because fixing half of the things he wrote Is what will make people change their minds. Coming 4th or winning a cup while all those things exist will look like fluking an unsustainable result. Without that our ceiling with Ole is very low. Can't tell if Ole thinks all he has to do to win is buy good players and get them fit and inspiredThere's no need to rehash all the arguments, we've all read them a thousand times. What if he won the Europa League and came 4th would that change your mind?
Is there really any need for that?What will make you change your opinion on Bebe?
Nothing really, you can't polish a turd.
If that wasn't Ole, what would you call a manager that relegated Cardiff(almost in Championship as well) and breaks all sorts of negative records at United?Is there really any need for that?
I expect to see better consistency in results and performances by the end of the year. I think we are going to have a big summer and we will address the problems in the squad. Only then do I think its truly fair to judge him and make him accountable for that.So many threads are at loggerheads at the moment between Ole in and Ole out, both have good points, but I read the same arguments every day to the point of distraction and it's rare that anyone concedes anything, everything feels very entrenched and polarised.
So Ole in posters what would it take to change your position?
How low could the win rate percentage drop? or how low would you go in the league this season before you change your mind?
And Ole out posters, how many wins on the trot would change your mind, which signings in the summer might make you think again?
What does Ole do that changes anyone's opinion?
Can't tell if Ole thinks all he has to do to win is buy good players and get them fit and inspired
This comment here sums it up 100%
The number of threads and the poll results on this forum show that he does not get any special treatment. I get the dissatisfaction, but the language used against someone that for better or worse actually cares about the club makes no sense to me.If that wasn't Ole, what would you call a manager that relegated Cardiff(almost in Championship as well) and breaks all sorts of negative records at United?
I'm really done with romanticism and sentimentality. If that was Moyes at helm people would have crucified him by now.
30% want him to continue the rebuild. If that was Moyes the numbers would probably be 3%. He does get special treatment and would be ingenious to believe otherwise.The number of threads and the poll results on this forum show that he does not get any special treatment. I get the dissatisfaction, but the language used against someone that for better or worse actually cares about the club makes no sense to me.
Now that would be something, but sadly wont happen.Nothing would. He lost the plot after his permanent appointment and has never regained it since. We looked clueless at the end of last season when we were getting beat by relegated teams. We have looked majorly clueless in some of our astounding defeats this season. A few wins against the tide have kept him in the job so far. He thinned out the squad without getting in replacements first. The injury crisis is his own doing. He bet his chips on Pogba who has been absent forever now. We have the lowest points after 25 games since eternity. Despite millions being spent on defence we have leaked goals. We have passed up numerous chances to grab 4th place so far. We are only 8th now because the rest of the league barring Pool, City and Leicester have been wank. In a regular season we would be 14 now.
But just out of interest in your thread I would give him a target of
1. 10 wins in remaining 13 prem games
2. Europa Final
3. FA Final
Would be nice though. He had a run like that last season or even better.Now that would be something, but sadly wont happen.
Tough shite. I would even say make Pochettino sit in the stands every damn game just to make things spicier.Now that would be something, but sadly wont happen.
Moyes took over the champions, Ole took over one of the most miss managed big clubs in recent history, not exactly like for like. The club is not in it's worst state imo, but in a genuine rebuild full of very talented young players that can only grow together but with obvious shortcomings that can only be addressed in the market and the natural inconsistency of youth. If this time next year we are in the same situation i'll eat humble pie.30% want him to continue the rebuild. If that was Moyes the numbers would probably be 3%. He does get special treatment and would be ingenious to believe otherwise.
Whether or not he cares for the club is irrelevant when he is a negative factor and drives the club into turmoil.
Good intentions doesn't mean that it does good for the club. The club is in it's worst state since years and he has huge part of it whilst also we continue to propel into the abyss.
But my point is if it wasn't Ole the player, can you imagine how the fan base would turn on to someone like say Moyes?Moyes took over the champions, Ole took over one of the most miss managed big clubs in recent history, not exactly like for like. The club is not in it's worst state imo, but in a genuine rebuild full of very talented young players that can only grow together but with obvious shortcomings that can only be addressed in the market and the natural inconsistency of youth. If this time next year we are in the same situation i'll eat humble pie.
Im very much in the Ole in side.
But i have to admit that recent picture of him trying to hug martial after the Wolves ( think it was that game ) really irked me to be honest.
Martial had just put in a utter trash performance and seeing Ole trying to bloody hug me after the game is just not right.
Trying too hard to be friends with everyone is not going to get the results long term imo.
Says more about you tbf.I'll be honest, even if he wins the rest of the games in the league I'd still want him out.
What does it say about me? That I don't trust him to keep the success going as his history shows he hasn't been able to before? Does it say that I'm not a risk taker and would prefer stability over irrationality?Says more about you tbf.
Just that you might not change your mind even if he does well. If we play fairly good attacking football and most of the deadwood like Lingard start contributing.What does it say about me? That I don't trust him to keep the success going as his history shows he hasn't been able to before? Does it say that I'm not a risk taker and would prefer stability over irrationality?
Please read posts properly before replying, I clearly said that in the event Woodward and Judge fail to provide Ole with a squad on which we can fairly judge him the only thing that would make me turn against Ole would be a relegation battle.Goes to show why we have fallen so low and why the fans have a part in it. Willing to accept a relegation battle to keep an incompetent manager at helm.
You did say genuine relegation battle.Please read posts properly before replying, I clearly said that in the event Woodward and Judge fail to provide Ole with a squad on which we can fairly judge him the only thing that would make me turn against Ole would be a relegation battle.
As you're incapable of reading a couple of simple sentences properly I probably now need to point out that this means I wouldn't be willing to accept a relegation battle.
Fair enough. I do not agree with the squad building part. Although we will see what he will do if he still is here.I’m torn with Ole because I agree with everything he’s doing in terms of squad building, he’s signing and ditching the right players. His tactics are questionable though. Personally I want to see how he does in the first half of next season, that should be enough time for him to have built the squad he wants. If it’s still not working by December then he’ll have to go (or earlier if it’s going really bad).
I think it might be healthier all round if you didn't just presume that the 30% still support him because he played here.But my point is if it wasn't Ole the player, can you imagine how the fan base would turn on to someone like say Moyes?
I call out a crap manager as soon as I see one. What he did as a player is irrelevant to me. Maradona was a fantastic player yet turd of a manager, why can't people just differentiate the two?
Again though, why would this need to be specific to Ole Gunnar Solskjaer? Any good manager who came would see that Sanchez was a busted flush and that Rojo, Young, Smalling (well, not as badly as Jones and co) were surplus to requirements. Any manager would have seen that Lukaku wanted out, but a stronger one might have insisted upon a replacement instead of going into the season understaffed.I’m torn with Ole because I agree with everything he’s doing in terms of squad building, he’s signing and ditching the right players. His tactics are questionable though. Personally I want to see how he does in the first half of next season, that should be enough time for him to have built the squad he wants. If it’s still not working by December then he’ll have to go (or earlier if it’s going really bad).