If Haaland joins Bayern he'll never worry about his team playing bad or getting dominated.
Which player will dominate football in the next decade?
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Because we tend to think of these things as attacking weighted it’s between Haaland and Mbappe and they’re already two of the most talked about players in the world, potentially set up as the next big versus after Ronaldo and Messi finish.
Think Pedri, Bellingham and Foden will all be spoken about as the very top of the top for a good while too though, even if they never win the awards due to being midfielders not scoring silly amounts of goals.
Think Pedri, Bellingham and Foden will all be spoken about as the very top of the top for a good while too though, even if they never win the awards due to being midfielders not scoring silly amounts of goals.
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Greenwood if we hire a progressive manager.
So Haaland then.
So Haaland then.
I am. It is a ridiculous take
Lukaku
It’s still nothing like Messi vs Ronaldo.
Maybe Best and Cruyff has around 4 to 5 years at the top overlapping with each other (from around 67-72) while not in direct rivalry of any sort. In fact, the only time they share the same platform as top 3 in Ballon D’or is in 1971, with Cruyff 1st Best 3rd.
But Ronaldo and Messi has around 15+ years competing with each other (06-21), as best player in the world. They share the same platform as top 3 in Ballon D’or for 11 occasions, spanning from 2007 (Ronaldo 2nd Messi 3rd) to 2019 (Messi 1st Ronaldo 3rd). Last year was cancelled (otherwise they would both be 2nd and 3rd again, as in UEFA men’s player award). Its whole different level of rivalry, probably unseen in any other sports, and regardless of whether they are playing in same league or not.
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It is interesting that you are so convinced of the efficacy of the Ballon D’Or in determining who the best player in the world is at any given point in history. I guess this must mean that you have accepted that Messi is a better player than Ronaldo seeing as he has more Ballon D’Or awards…….
Well I think you better stay relevant to the topic. Not everything has to come to conclusion of who being better player, at least not in this thread.
Understood broHe’s had a chance to affect a Euros though. How’d that go?
By the way, I personally am not saying your take is ridiculous at all, it’s not an exact science because they’re totally different players. I just think Mbappe is better
Maybe. You might be right about that. Though it's easy to be overwhelmed into an opinion having seen him be a strong, positive influence against PSG, Liverpool etc
I really like Foden's ball control and passing, I think it's better than Mbappe's, and this is super important against a tough defence IMO. But again, that's maybe not Mbappe's responsibility anyway, his job is to score
It is relevant to the topic. You tried to make an argument based almost exclusively on the Ballon D’Or (an award which is totally different from what it was in 1960 or 1970). I’m demonstrating to you why that thinking is flawed.
Haaland ….machine
You are missing the whole point. Apparently sharing the Ballon D'or platform for very long period of time demonstrate how dominate both players were during their era, which also highlights the intensity and length of their rivalry, as they are in direct competition for all those individual awards, team trophies and even goalscoring records. After all we are talking and comparing the rivalry all along, aren't we? But you are trying to turn the whole focus onto something totally irrelevant to the topic, by trying to suggest which player is the better player instead. This is very low and cheap effort to dodge away from the original argument, which you couldn't refute.
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Mbappe. If we go solely by goals Haaland.
The point was that he scored 4 goals in 2 games. And also Sevilla are around the same level as Dortmund. If Mbappé plays against Sevilla then it should be easier (theoretically) as PSG are better than Sevilla.
He also scored against Liverpool for RB Salzburg. Again, hardly for a PSG level team.
It’s not. The point is easily refuted and the rivalry only exists because of the era they are playing in and the fact that they played in the same league for 10 years (which is related to the era they are playing in).
I would explain all this to you and how the Ballon D’Or is not a constant arbiter of these kinds of things but you wouldn’t accept it because you’ve already got it into your head that there’s never been two players at the same time like Messi and Ronaldo. I just think that’s false and there’s no logical reason why anyone should believe that.
I’ll leave you with a question though which might help you in this respect. Real Madrid won the first 5 European Cups. So why does Alfredo DiStefano as the acknowledged leader and best player on that team (and scorer in every final) not have 5 Ballon D’Ors? Or at least 4?
No they’re not.
Mbappe.
he’s already doing it.
he will move to Madrid and still boss it
he’s already doing it.
he will move to Madrid and still boss it
I think he’s a better passer than Mbappe, sure. But I don’t think his technical ability is so good that it makes him a better player than Mbappe, if that makes sense?Understood bro
Maybe. You might be right about that. Though it's easy to be overwhelmed into an opinion having seen him be a strong, positive influence against PSG, Liverpool etc
I really like Foden's ball control and passing, I think it's better than Mbappe's, and this is super important against a tough defence IMO. But again, that's maybe not Mbappe's responsibility anyway, his job is to score
Ronaldo
How are they not? Sevilla’s record in Europe is arguably better than Dortmund in recent years.
In the Champions League? I’m not sure about that. And BD are a much bigger and more successful club historically and within their own league.
Why ask me? You need to ask those people who vote for Ballon D’or winners back then, not me. Least to say, its by far the most prestigious and creditable individual awards in football, rather than those bias opinion from you or me. Both Messi and Ronaldo are competing each other for those awards, in a way which is unseen/unmatched in football history. And it’s means alot for them winning those, so in such sense, there’s some sort of long time rivalry there, regardless of whether they are playing in same league or not.
Well back to the topic and tell me, what kind of rivalry did Cruyff and Best have to be able to stand up with Messi Ronaldo rivalry then? That’s the only point I am trying to argue here. I am not going to further derail the thread by going to something totally irrelevant, such as bringing up argument of best ever player in the world, or arguing importance of Ballon D’or. You can start another new thread if that’s the kind of topic you want to discuss.
Ok, you totally don’t understand what I’m saying so I guess I’ll have to spell it out for you in a much simpler way. I was actually arguing that Best and Cruyff didn’t have a rivalry for reasons of proximity but let’s forget about them for a second. Also, let’s forget about Maradona and Platini. Let’s use the Pele v Eusebio one. Please explain to me how they wouldn’t have had a rivalry similar to Messi and Ronaldo (or even better) if they played in the same league for European super clubs for 10 years? Try and make your argument without using the Ballon D’Or…..
how's Mbappe assist/playmaking compared to Messi ?
well to me Mbappe basically stagnating in the last 2 seasons. tbf it's hard to have as much progress as since his Monaco days, because he really is a world class striker
Assists: no clue about his numbers
Playmaking: non-existent compared to Messi
You’re very harsh GiornoI am. It is a ridiculous take
Foden is a talent, there’s not doubt. Right now though Mbappe is considerably ahead of him and practically everyone on that list IMO. That may not always be the case but it’s the case at the moment.
Biased me thinks Florian Wirtz isn't mentioned enough in here. Incredible technique, dribbling and vision, great composure and finishing in front of the goal and he's also quite fast. Hit a top speed of 33 km/h this season as an 18 year old. Currently at 6 goals, 4 assists in 613 minutes in the Bundesliga and 7 goals, 7 assists in 903 minutes in all competitions.
Pretty average by those standards in my opinion. As a playmaker, he is nowhere near Messi or even Neymar.
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Vinicius Junior
This! If he starts scoring on his chances more often, he will become one of the best for the next many years.
That’s how I see it as well. So much talent. But you never know
Fred.
How is it flawed though?
George Best and Cruyff were not competing for same things during their peak time. Plus it wasn't of the tenure that Messi and Cristiano have had. Anyone suggesting any player were a better individual players than either of them during the 2008-2019 era is silly.
It is flawed because the Ballon D’Or is not remotely the same thing now that it was in the 60s, 70s and 80s. The criteria by which it is judged and the winner is chosen has also completely changed.
The point is Cruyff and Best where never head to head like Messi and Cristiano. Messi and Cristiano were competing for the same big titles(UCL-one won 5 and another won 3, and than La Liga), same golden balls(Ballon Dor), same golden shoes(European Golden Boot) for nearly a decade.
I mean acknowledging such a simple statement is not going to hurt anyone.
Try and actually read what I wrote about Cruyff and Best, Pele/Eusebio and Maradona/Platini.
I think it will be Haaland but it will be nothing like Cristiano Ronaldo did or Messi, he might not last the whole decade but I think he has the most potential. I would like to mention Mbappe but he needs to get out of PSG to begin with.
Mbappe relies on pace which will inevitably deteriorate with time/injuries.
Greenwood can't head the ball which will reduce his goal tally.
Haaland should have moved by now, he will learn nothing this season. Whenever he moves he'll need at least a season to adjust to the competition.
Greenwood can't head the ball which will reduce his goal tally.
Haaland should have moved by now, he will learn nothing this season. Whenever he moves he'll need at least a season to adjust to the competition.
Please edit the OP and remove Ryan Gravenbergh. He's fecking useless.
We like to whinge about Frenkie de Jong and Wijnaldum over here, but my God they're like prime Xavi and Iniesta compared to Gravenbergh and Koopmeiners.
We like to whinge about Frenkie de Jong and Wijnaldum over here, but my God they're like prime Xavi and Iniesta compared to Gravenbergh and Koopmeiners.
Haaland. There is nobody else who really stands out. Mbappe maybe but I think Haaland has a better attitude.