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You're just going to ignore Heynckes completely dominated the champions league with the same squad the year before Pep got there? Pep took the team that destroyed Barcelona 7-0 and did nothing in the champions league with it.Heynekes didn't even win the CL when he returned after Pep.
It was a reminder to fanboys that their PE teacher doesn't belong in any proper football discussion.Finally, a thread with actual good discussion in the football forum and you had to be a cnut and bring in Ole bashing. And yeah, sorry Ole pissed in your cereal.
One thing I'll give Klopp, his teams have never hesitated from taking the initiative to City (and usually succeeding)Pep schooled Tuchel today. City should have at least scored 3. Thank the heavens City didn't get Kane.
Prior to that, he lost every game against Chelsea under Tuchel.Pep really smashed Chelsea to back to earth. We didn't able to string a two passes together. This round pep wins. Utterly dominated Chelsea if not for mendy we could have lost 4 goal margin.
Yeah, at Chelsea it is now Tuchel 3 - 1 Pep.Prior to that, he lost every game against Chelsea under Tuchel.
Klopp didn't win anything with Liverpool before his 4th season after buying the most expensive defender that every one wanted, as well as the most expensive GK and Fabinho. The only player left from the team he inherited was Henderson.Did you see the Liverpool squad Klopp inherited? He then won a CL and PL. It's Klopp over Pep for me. Tuchel 3rd so far but he's been doing well with Chelsea.
Makes one wonder why all the great players he's coached rate him extremely highly right? But i'm sure armchair experts know better though.Pep is just about the most overrated person in the history of football.
He heavily benefited from a massive Coutinho fee to continue Liverpool's progress. Let's not act like Liverpool had the same organic financial strength as Utd or the same backing as City/Chelsea.Klopp didn't win anything with Liverpool before his 4th season after buying the most expensive defender that every one wanted, as well as the most expensive GK and Fabinho. The only player left from the team he inherited was Henderson.
It also took him 3 seasons to win with Dortmund if i'm not mistaken.
My point basically is that if you're patient enough to wait for the coach to take few seasons to impose his style and win, then Klopp is your guy, otherwise you go with Pep IMO.
Klopp also seems to prefer projects like that where he has time to develop the project.
Makes one wonder why all the great players he's coached rate him extremely highly right? But i'm sure armchair experts know better though.
he got to a CL final in his 2nd full season mate. Taking over from Brendan he didn't even get to make changes. 1st full season 4th, 2nd full season 4th + CL final and cost by GK errors so he upgraded the keeper and won the CL and got some rediculous points tally. Pep always takes over title winners or title challengers from the jumpKlopp didn't win anything with Liverpool before his 4th season after buying the most expensive defender that every one wanted, as well as the most expensive GK and Fabinho. The only player left from the team he inherited was Henderson.
It also took him 3 seasons to win with Dortmund if i'm not mistaken.
My point basically is that if you're patient enough to wait for the coach to take few seasons to impose his style and win, then Klopp is your guy, otherwise you go with Pep IMO.
Klopp also seems to prefer projects like that where he has time to develop the project.
Makes one wonder why all the great players he's coached rate him extremely highly right? But i'm sure armchair experts know better though.
Where did i imply that they did? And how does your point negate anything i said in my post?He heavily benefited from a massive Coutinho fee to continue Liverpool's progress. Let's not act like Liverpool had the same organic financial strength as Utd or the same backing as City/Chelsea.
His 2nd full season? Basically his 3rd you mean since in his first season, he took over basically 6 or 7 games into the season if i'm not mistaken, not like he came in after half of the season had already been played.he got to a CL final in his 2nd full season mate. Taking over from Brendan he didn't even get to make changes. 1st full season 4th, 2nd full season 4th + CL final and cost by GK errors so he upgraded the keeper and won the CL and got some rediculous points tally. Pep always takes over title winners or title challengers from the jump
It was someone else team so he was basically like a caretaker unable to make any signings yet got to 2 finals.Where did i imply that they did? And how does your point negate anything i said in my post?
His 2nd full season? Basically his 3rd you mean since in his first season, he took over basically 6 or 7 games into the season if i'm not mistaken, not like he came in after half of the season had already been played.
Pep is considered one of the best coaches and his brand of football is appealing to big clubs and they all want him because of that, offcourse he was always going to find himself in the biggest clubs and title challengers after what he did at Barcelona.
I'ld argue that taking over title challengers isn't easier than taking over clubs where there's no immediate expectations to win anything.
So by your logic, you think Ole for example would do as well as Pep (both in result and performance) if he was coaching the same City team Pep has coached since it's that easy?It was someone else team so he was basically like a caretaker unable to make any signings yet got to 2 finals.
Taking over title challengers is harder? Sure. having a squad that makes winning 85% of your games vs the oppositions a near certainly is a real mountain to climb. The horror of having better players than all your opposition. Must be real tough to win football matches
Hell no because he is a mediocre manager. Many of Citys players had already won 2 league titles when he came. Yes he does improve themSo by your logic, you think Ole for example would do as well as Pep (both in result and performance) if he was coaching the same City team Pep has coached since it's that easy?
As for having better players, it's funny how players aren't world-class until Pep gets them and has them to perform at an insane level then all of a sudden hindsight kicks in and then they were world-class before playing for Pep. Based on individual talent, City players aren't better than United's for example, Pep is the big difference.
The only world class player he's had at City is KDB. One can maybe make an argument for Aguero (great striker but isn't/wasn't world-class for me) but that's about it.
Mendy was brilliant.Pep really smashed Chelsea to back to earth. We didn't able to string a two passes together. This round pep wins. Utterly dominated Chelsea if not for mendy we could have lost 4 goal margin.
He’s just the flavour of the month, it’ll pass soon enough. Won’t be long before cowardly performances like yesterday gain more of a spotlight.Genuinely can't believe some people prefer Tuchel's style when his Chelsea starts games with 7-8 defensive players. Probably the same who would prefer Zidane's Real over Pep's Barca because "iT's LiKe ChEsS".
In what world are Jorginho and Kovacic defensive players?Genuinely can't believe some people prefer Tuchel's style when his Chelsea starts games with 7-8 defensive players. Probably the same who would prefer Zidane's Real over Pep's Barca because "iT's LiKe ChEsS".
In their own imaginary world. .Admittedly we struggled against city this time but keep on saying tuchel s defensive football didn't watch Chelsea play in my opinion.In what world are Jorginho and Kovacic defensive players?
Klopp brought in world s most expensive defender most expensive goal keeper that time to make them winners. mane Keita fabinho salah thiago jota chamberlene and two defenders worth some 400 million talents.Its on par with ole spending.He heavily benefited from a massive Coutinho fee to continue Liverpool's progress. Let's not act like Liverpool had the same organic financial strength as Utd or the same backing as City/Chelsea.