I am not sure what you are even arguing against. How did you even get to this slippery slope?
Why do we not have a women's team?
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik @Rood and Imran @Annihilate Now! start with the good news by celebrating Manchester United Women's emphatic FA Cup win over Spurs at Wembley and the future of manager Marc Skinner.
Then it's the bad news and the ever worsening form of our Men with losses to Arsenal and Palace.
Finally the main debate - ETH Out now or keep him until the end of the season - if not longer. Are you Team Nik or Team Imran?
That silly opinion piece someone posted earlier probably.
We've had one since 2013
Sigh
I think of companies like FaceBook, Twitter, Google etc. I'm sure they wish they didn't have to worry about half the shit they are expected to, dealing with trolls, parental controls, being hassled from Governments about privacy concerns, the crap their users post etc. but a company gets so big it suddenly has responsibilities and expectations that go beyond making a profit.
As one of the biggest clubs in the World I don't think United should have to have a women's team but I think they probably should.
As one of the biggest clubs in the World I don't think United should have to have a women's team but I think they probably should.
I don't think United have to do anything but I would like it because if I'm being honest watching the best french and german teams play is generally pleasing, they play a good technical brand of football and I'm sure that with time mancunians would love their women team.
Dude, thats like taking a spoonful of the ocean and concluding there are no whales in the ocean because there are no whales in the spoon.
I remember wondering why we didn't have one when I found out teams like Arsenal and City have them, I didn't know it was the Glazers that ended it but I'm not surprised. Having one would be a good thing for our young girl fans to aspire to for sure.
Comparing deaf and disabled teams to a women's team shows your mentality to be honest.
I could care less if we had a women's team, but don't act like it's in the name of "equality" if it's being subsidised by the men's team.
Women are also quite capable of enjoying men's sports, stop being so condescending and assuming they want a women's team simply because they are women and support the club.
Your "equality" is equality for the sake of it, which is inequality, though contradictory statements from Liberals don't surprise me anymore.
Really well said, agree completely
Wow, first I've heard of the Dallas/USWNT match. Surprised this didn't gather top sports coverage in the US - it surely would have if the Men's side lost to a U-15 girl's side. The "world champions" losing to an U-15 boys side. Guess that should put to rest the lark that the Women's team could beat the Men's team.
I'd love it if we had a women's team as long as it doesn't seriously affect the economy of men's team. I'd hate it if our transfer budget suffered for many years because of it.
But I don't know anything about football economy. There's probably a clever way around this, and thus I don't see the problem.
But I don't know anything about football economy. There's probably a clever way around this, and thus I don't see the problem.
I havent mentioned equality once in this thread or any other womens football thread. The issue has nothing to do with equality. Did you skip comprehension class in English at school???
With respect to the deaf and disabled teams, go read what I was replying to and try and work it out. Again, did you skip comprehension in English at school????
Considering that they are literally the world champions? I don't think so.
It's clear that women have physical disadvantages when it comes to football - or athletics, which can be seen if we compare Olympic records. And world champions losing to some US U-15 side just highlight that the difference is too big to even consider signing Lionella Messi, for example. Which was the original point.
Ideally, if we're talking about equal rights, it would be fair to make football non-gender specific. Especially since there are more complicated genders identities than just male and female, non-binary etc. And to have the best women footballers perform in a (former) man leagues - if they are good enough, they will make it here.
Creating women's team for the sake of it - considering the fact that it generates very little interest, shouldn't be expected from football clubs, as they are not a non-profit organizations.
Creating women's team for the sake of it - considering the fact that it generates very little interest, shouldn't be expected from football clubs, as they are not a non-profit organizations.
Men are a lot more athletic, the conversation shouldn't even exist in the first place.
I have the strange feeling that people mix equality and equity.
Who has ever said that?
I wonder how many of those who insist we should have a women's team would actually watch the games themselves? Or say, watch just one single game. I'll stick my neck out and say less than 1%.
Firstly, of course it would be more than 1%, just because you wouldn't watch doesn't mean your opinion is reflective of everyone else.
Secondly, you're discounting the fact that there would be people who would be interested in watching the women's game, who aren't regular viewers of the mens game.
Thirdly, women's football isn't going to stay at the level it is now forever, as its profile increases so does the standard & quality of football, and naturally the coverage & entertainment which would be enticing to new audiences also.
The majority of those who would go to watch a womans game dont hang out on these forums. They are girls and women who actually play the game and not those who only ever watch it on tv or at a pub or mess around on ps4
Why not wait for everyone else to do all the hard work then we just muscle in when it's profitable?
Honestly, women's sport (esp football) will never be as popular as men's, simply because they'll never be as good. Atheltics and tennis, fine. Other sports it's just so woman can play - and I have no objection to them doing any sport they like - but let's not pretend women's football or women's rugby interests more than a handful of people compared to men's equivalent.
Men are, faster and stronger and so will make for a better spectacle in sports where this is a factor. ie all sports
You must be very proud of your penis. Congratulations.
I've always wondered (read: a few minutes toilet musing) if there was a female footballer literally as good as Messi, is there anything against the top men's clubs signing her up? Like, could we ever see women play in the men's game? Or is this just a boy's club? I mean, no one actually knows because the precedent hasn't been set, but it's a rather interesting thought (it's not).
Try to make an actual argument mate
I don't need to. Its already been argued, very well, many times in this thread, yet you seem to still want to promote your own, dick swinging, over compensating , masculine view.Try to make an actual argument mate
You got the response you deserved.
Would love for us to have a women's team and knock Arse Ladies of their perch. Even though we will need to win 45 trophies.
They won't. Why do people go out of their way to deny physical differences between the sexes?
If they were featured on MUTV I'm sure plenty would watch and keep up to date.
There will never be a female player capable of playing at the level of an EPL side or Champions league etc. There are physical differences between the sexes and also societal constraints that mean this will never happen. We will never ever see a woman playing for the senior Man Utd team in the EPL etc. We do know this because we can see and measure the physical differences and issues. There are female footballers who are staggeringly brilliant within the context of the womans game. One of the main problems in these threads is males comparing the female game to the male game, thats a mistake, they are quite different things in many respects.
Not one of the people in here expressing doubt or opposition to Utd having a womans team is doing so from the viewpoint of a female player or fan, not one is thinking about what girls and women might want and not one is thinking in terms of Man Utds links/connections/impact/influence/responsibility to the local football community in Manchester and England. All the negative comments in here are coming from what that poster wants and what they think. What isnt happening is an awareness, understanding or vision regarding the staggering growth of the womens game in the last decade or 2 and the huge benefits it brings to the wider football community.
You can't do that because they react like precious, girly snowflakes.
I could be wrong but it seems that it's a way to justify the idea that women football shouldn't exist. "If they can't play with men, they are pointless."
I didn't say that. I was refuting the other poster's claim that an open professional division could result in women playing alongside men.
Quite the opposite: physical differences between the sexes is the reason women's football should and does exist.
Because it's not a particularly big deal. I live in Dallas and this got a little bit of attention locally from sports radio shows, but then people actually knowledgeable about how the USWNT practices explained that they regularly scrimmage men's sides (youth and adult) because it's better preparation...and they frequently lose. I'm not sure anyone other than idiots really believed the bolded statement.
Right now, any owner investing in women's sports goes in knowing that, except in rare instances, it's a financial loss in the short/medium/long run. That applies to football in England, the NWSL in the US, the WNBA, Women's College Basketball, etc. etc. You do it because it's most likely the right thing to do and because you're trying to create the groundwork for future generations of women both from an athletic standpoint and a marketing standpoint. Youth participation stats show that participation rates for girls in women's football continues to increase in England and the US. Even though, developmentally, professional women's football is very much still in it's nascency it's important to get in at this ground level.
As far as the part that's bolded, you're not appealing to the masses right now. Women's football isn't developed enough to be appealing beyond a small base of viewers, and most of the people on this forum certainly aren't the target demographic.
Being as far behind City as we are in areas like this, or our website from the 1990's, or our social media presence which resembles that of an insurance company isn't a big deal right now or in the near future. It's just a combination of things that make us less accessible and, honestly, less attractive to younger generations inside and outside of England, which could potentially hurt us down the road.
I was trying to answer your question. I know that you didn't say that.
Probably doesn't make business sense to invest in a women's team, we have to remember the people that make these decisions most likely have better business sense than ourselves. Sure you can bang on about equality from where you're sat, but if it doesn't make money, why would a business invest in it?
nobody is banging on about equality in this thread. Businesses all over the world in all industries/endeavours for hundreds of years have invested in things that initially werent making money, they spotted a trend and opportunity and went for it. Also why is everyone assuming that a womans team is going to lose money?. The wages wont be anywhere comparable to the mens game and the marketing opportunities are large enough for it to turn a modest profit.
I have no problem with United not having a women team and I have no problem with the Glazer thinking that it's not profitable but is it actually the case? Do you think that Woodward, wouldn't find a way to make 5 to 7 millions per year on the back of the women team?
I'm genuinely wondering.
Yep, this happens often in conversations that center around marginalised groups.
Not pointless, but it shouldn't be required of commercial corporations to participate in it if they don't see the point. Especially since many do anyway. I'm all for women's football - but the rhetoric that it's shameful not to have a team or something similar is alien to me; I guess it's the same with every other positive discrimination, as in Campbell's claim that he isn't getting a managerial job because he's black etc. Businesses should have freedom to use their money as they wish to.
Although the example of integrating women in male football wasn't just to justify my opinion on women's football - I genuinely feel that if the likes of Marta want to try herself in the male football, she should be allowed to do it - without any preferential treatment but with a fair chance.
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