Class of 63
Sourness
I think too much has been read into that, we'll soon find out I guess.@Class of 63 if you go by Fred's interview the feel good you're talking about does not exist
I think too much has been read into that, we'll soon find out I guess.@Class of 63 if you go by Fred's interview the feel good you're talking about does not exist
I know Jeppe, played 6-a-side with him for a couple of years. I'll have a word.Quite.
Apparently ‘99 is enough to justify giving Ole as much time as he needs. Perhaps if things still aren’t working out in another few years we can bring Blomqvist in.
To be fair, it was Van Gaal who promoted youth more than Ole.It's funny how Ole in raves about how he's bringing back the United culture, signing United players or the right fit for our culture when he himself is not the right fit. Asides from promoting youth, Ole is nothing like a United manager. Does not play attacking football, is not tactically flexible, lacks ambition, smiles at losses and poor performances, can't handle pressure, can't motivate his players when losing, lacks charisma and presence (though I couldn't care less about this). But this is not how a United manager should be.
I might have been at that myself, don't remember James Brown thoughThat makes it worse, gives me nightmares of a Red Hot Chillis concert I went to in Hyde Park back in 2004, fecking James Brown was hung out to dry by the Chillis and had to sing “I feel good” for about 30 minutes before they were ready to come on. Since then that song does the opposite to me.
Have you ever actually seen somebody post that? That'll be a no then.Quite.
Apparently ‘99 is enough to justify giving Ole as much time as he needs. Perhaps if things still aren’t working out in another few years we can bring Blomqvist in.
Minimum expected if you give him alot of slack. On the other hand you could point to the teams he has met and say the bar should be higher..54% isn’t good enough but 55% is. Not too far off then
David May is up next for photo bombing that picture.Quite.
Apparently ‘99 is enough to justify giving Ole as much time as he needs. Perhaps if things still aren’t working out in another few years we can bring Blomqvist in.
And this was Giggs after he already had won 12 PL titles.It's funny how Ole in raves about how he's bringing back the United culture, signing United players or the right fit for our culture when he himself is not the right fit. Asides from promoting youth, Ole is nothing like a United manager. Does not play attacking football, is not tactically flexible, lacks ambition, smiles at losses and poor performances, can't handle pressure, can't motivate his players when losing, lacks charisma and presence (though I couldn't care less about this). But this is not how a United manager should be.
erm:Have you ever actually seen somebody post that? That'll be a no then.
Why should Ole be given that time and leeway when other more seasoned experienced managers didn’t?
Erm, now let me think
I don't remember much else, it was a daze, but James "I feel good" Brown was early doors and I remember it all too well. That song is like nails on a blackboard to me now.I might have been at that myself, don't remember James Brown though
He is...... unfortunately its championship contenders.I just don't believe that he is capable enough to turn United into serious title challengers.
Yeah it amazes me how a squad can apparently have a feel good factor when they are playing in the worst performing United team in 31 years. What can possibly be 'feel good' about that. Although if I was earning over £100, 000 a week with a manager that was happy being shite I wouldn't give a feck eitherFeck me.. People is running out of thing to defend Ole and now they are using "feel good". What's that supposed to mean?
In real life, as man utd fan, everywhere u go people is laughing and making jokes about our incompetent manager! Enough said.
And if our players "feel good" at 8th then we are truly fecked.
Oh Gosh. Let's hope he never gets the chance to prove that.He is...... unfortunately its championship contenders.
Returned ermerm:
It wouldn't have been my Gig of choice but I was on a promise, and beggars can't be choosers!I don't remember much else, it was a daze, but James "I feel good" Brown was early doors and I remember it all too well. That song is like nails on a blackboard to me now.
Don't think anyone actually said lets give Ole as much time as he needs, regardless of results or performances. I did expect that it would justify at least some level of respect though, being a Utd forum after all.Quite.
Apparently ‘99 is enough to justify giving Ole as much time as he needs. Perhaps if things still aren’t working out in another few years we can bring Blomqvist in.
What does respect for him as a player have to do with anything?Don't think anyone actually said lets give Ole as much time as he needs, regardless of results or performances. I did expect that it would justify at least some level of respect though, being a Utd forum after all.
I'm not sure what you mean, is there a Dr.Jekyll thing going on here? Is he a different person when managing us?What does respect for him as a player have to do with anything?
He is actually. There's Ole the manager and Ole the player.I'm not sure what you mean, is there a Dr.Jekyll thing going on here? Is he a different person when managing us?
This is ridiculous. Do you want Steve Bruce to manage us next? Or Mark Hughes?I'm not sure what you mean, is there a Dr.Jekyll thing going on here? Is he a different person when managing us?
Class of 63 isn't going to respond.. just another coward in a long line of pro Ole posterserm:
Yo.Returned erm
LvG got two years, Mourinho got two and a half years, Ole has only had a year, if Ole were to get another year and a half I doubt anybody in the Ole In camp will be saying he deserves more time than the other two just because he is a club Legend. Which is what you are suggesting.
And the clip/video previous was for those, and there are far too many who think those of us who feel Ole deserves more time is because he's a club Legend, and for no other reason.
Loving the assertivenessYo.
This goal post shifting of yours is dumb.
He said other posters said Ole deserved time because Ole won the CL.
He showed you the thread.
Now you change the very point of the argument to suit your position.
Sit down and shut up.
Littleman indeed, I call mine my Toy Soldier, but each to their own.Class of 63 isn't going to respond.. just another coward in a long line of pro Ole posters
I have to disagree with the progress part, this is the worst start we've had in 30+ years. Just two seasons ago we finished 2nd, last 5 seasons we have won several cups, it's not like we've been relegation fodder for years and now suddenly we're finally starting to do well, we're actually doing worse (stats show it).First of all, this is not a post about style of football or coaching ability, simply statistics and results.
A lot has been made of our win percentage and results under Solskjaer since him being made permanent which is admittedly poor right now (39%)
However as the below will show this is skewed massively by the period between the win in Paris and the end of last season which was an absolute train wreck and as freakish a set of results as his 82% win percentage in his stint as caretaker.
To track progress since he became manager I had a quick look at the progress of win percentage by splitting his games into chunks of 20 (yeah it's arbitrary, so is judging his results as caretaker completely separately from his results as permanent manager as many often seem inclined to do)*
games 1 to 20 - 75% win rate
games 21 to 40 - 20% win rate (!)
games 41 to 60 - 55% win rate
games 61 to 68 - 50% win rate
so the above basically shows that something freakishly bad happened games 21 to 40 (fatigue perhaps, emotional hangover from Paris, too much deadwood in the squad, bit of a shaky start to this season) but since then we seemed to have stabilised at a win rate which is roughly what you would expect from a United manager (54%)
In the context of the horrible luck with injuries we've had and reliance on what is still a fairly weak/young squad, that's not bad.
*quote from serial ABU Jonathan Wilson a few weeks ago:
That brings us to the present situation. Since he was given the job on a permanent basis in March, no United manager since Bamlett – not Frank O’Farrell, not Wilf McGuinness, not even the hapless Scott Duncan – has a worse win percentage than Ole Gunnar Solskjær’s 36.67%.
Quotes like the above would imply since Ole got the job permanently we've been winning 1 in 3 games on a consistent basis but as mentioned this is massively skewed by the crazily huge dip we had just after he was confirmed as manager and the shaky start we had this season which has since levelled out into a more consistent pattern of results.
Admittedly we're talking small sample sizes but to me there seems to be a clear pattern and evidence of progress and stabilisation.
only 42% which is piss poor, that's over 55 games.What is it since he got the job Christmas last year?
I thought he had 72 games, are you not coutning some tournaments?only 42% which is piss poor, that's over 55 games.
We seem to have stabilised a lot since then though, 56% since we drew against Liverpool back in October (32 games)
Kin ell, since Liverpool (20th Oct) we've beaten:We seem to have stabilised a lot since then though, 56% since we drew against Liverpool back in October (32 games)
Look at that link.Kin ell, since Liverpool (20th Oct) we've beaten:
Partizan x 2
Alkmaar
Colchester
Tranmere
Brugge
City in a game which they'd already won
In the league since 20th October we have a win-rate of 50%, it's just about acceptable now due to a top February after a dog shit Jan. So let's bump this thread again when the PL-rate remains at 50% minimum by the end of April, as that'll be a real sign of progress.
Good post, he won't listen to you mind but thanks for posting. It sort of mirrors the feeling I had about our progression.Look at that link.
https://thebusbybabe.sbnation.com/2...small-half-time-adjustment-pays-big-dividends
From day 1 to 14, we won 4 out of 14 = 28.5%.
From day 15 to 27, we won 7 out of 13 = 53.8%.
Should he win tomorrow, we're going up to 57.1% in that period, etc...
Compared to the other managers:
From day 1 to 14,
From day 15 to 27,
- Rodgers has 10 wins out of 14 = 71.4%.
- Pep has 9 wins out of 14 = 64.3%
- Lampard has 8 wins out of 14 = 57.4%
- Pochettino / Jose has 5 wins out of 14 = 35.7%
- Emery has 4 wins out of 14 = 28.6%
We are 3rd best right now. The point tally is not great, but it's coming together, and it also means the players finally understand what is asked from them better.
- Rodgers has 5 wins out of 13 = 38.5%.
- Pep has 9 wins out of 13 = 69.2%
- Lampard has 5 wins out of 13 = 38.5%
- Jose has 6 wins out of 13 = 46.2%
- Ljungberg / Arteta has 4 wins out of 13 = 30.7%