Another painful reminder: we actually briefed WEEKS ago, that BVB were living in a fantasy land with their Sancho fee evaluation. Another woodward classic moment.
Some of our fans are idiots, always getting frustrated by the same things. Our club isn't run well and it's been evident for years and years, why should we expect anything different ?
A few more weeks and we won't have to imagine! I never believed the Sancho rumours very much, but it's becoming extremely likely that he isn't coming. Even at the most generous reading Woodward is dragging his feet doing his Ed Woodward Genius Negotiator thing, and Dortmund don't have to sell. They won't budge, and they really have no reason to sell even at the "asking price", should Woodward panic into offering that much.
The youngs players is an very interesting point and we can't promote that historically we have players from 8 years old to first team which is what separates us from others only to 'dick that to the kerb' once this doesn't appear to produce the players when we want them....
They paid 80m for Kepa, 60m for Morata and 35m for Drinkwater. Lets not get ahead of ourselves.
Yeah their club is ran by the fans and the board is full of ex players that actually care about what happens on the pitch
Was hoping we could do some kind of player plus cash deal for Jack but that isn't looking even remotely likely at the moment
Do you need a bib then?
Yeah because that would mean Ed and his sidekick having to step aside which their egos won't allow to happen
Next week.
Yes I thought that would be a route that Woody would have thought of. Jones to Villa and Rojo to anywhere would be great. Andreas to Spain maybe. I do think Smalling will go to Roma still as the valuation is only a few million €€ away from what Roma are willing to pay.
Hell we could even have seen if they were interested in Jesse or Romero,one of their fans even suggested he would have taken James on loan for a year.
In our best period of football, how many players on our bench would you describe as top players. Treble season, how many would you describe as top players. Liverpool, how many of their top players on the bench improves us? Who off their bench improves comes on for Pogs, Martial, Burno, Rashford. The only team that could offer that is City.
Silva starts for Utd? And he's an upgrade at nearly 36? Not sure Chilwell is that much better than Shaw. Those players are not coming to rotate neither are the players here being rotated aside from injury or lesser cup games. Watch how Chelsea will start to implod when players aren't getting football. There are a lot of young players that played this season that won't next. Even if Rom and Sanchez worked out, do you think Martial would be here or we would have seen Greenwood?
Yep and the bloke they shipped out to Ac Milan who cost 40m. Can you imagine if Utd had KDB, Rom and Salah at some point in the club what fans would have said about us developing players and being such a well run club?
That's another good point. And they risk alienating their young players again — on the one hand the depth their attack now has is a great problem to have, and if you have the money who cares if you eventually lose Hudson-Odoi because you bought Werner, Havertz, Ziyech, etc but it's not how most fans would want United to be run.
But they have done far more good than bad and its not even close.
I think all is forgiven when they’ve plucked two of the brightest and most exciting young players in Germany. They’ve moved on from their mistakes while we’re still paying hefty wages to ours.
This is absolute tosh. Disregarding the obvious that you can sign players that are young and have potential to be top players, you absolutely must have top players willing to be on your bench if you want a squad capable of competing for the big trophies. Look at madrids and bayerns bench. We signed Berbatov when we had tevez,rooney,ronaldo etc. Its not black and white, starter and sub, in todays game at the top level it's a squad game.
Yeah if that is one of the main reasons we aren't going for Jack then that is the biggest bunch of BS. I am also annoyed it seemed to hinge on Pogba leaving when they don't even play in the same position.
Might be right but time will tell I guess. The problem with young German talent, they inevitably end up at Bayern. It's interesting that we have yet to see many German players in the top teams in the PL....
You really think a CL finalist who still looks to be in peak fitness will be benched by Lindelof?
Bit rude? My 'tosh' was top players not potential. You can cherry pick as much as you like but Berbatov was signed and who then left the following season. Rooney was signed, who then left? If Rom or Sanchez proved to be a success, do you think Martial would still be here? My point is Liverpool have proven to be one of the most successful teams in the last 3 seasons, which 'top' players did or do they have on their bench? Who comes in for VD or any of the front 3? We are suggesting the Club buy players to come in for Pogs, Bruno and Martial?
Yes. If he was that good, he'd be staying to continue the journey with two of the best players in the world rather than uprooting his family to England for one season. If we signed him, there would be many fans on here saying why have we bought a 35 year old. Smacks of desperation on Chelsea's part.
Come on, they can't buy all the german talented players.
So players with potential don;t count as top players for you. Ok we disagree there. Why did tevez and Rvn leave? Nothing to do with squad depth. Martial would probably not be here because Mourinho was a bit of a muppet but the point is even if Sanchez and Lukaku were successes we should keep Martial. A top team wants to keep its top players as much as possible. If we're winning then players of the caliber of Mahrez, Bale etc etc will be more than happy coming off the bench more than they start. Go look up how many games Giggs and Scholes started on the bench.
Might be me but most of our transfers (not young potential) go pretty much into the first 11.....Outside of injuries, Jack sat on the bench. He'll play games but not the ones he came to Utd to play. Like say Henderson, you can ask them to be patient but a 25/26 year old? Look what happened to Drinkwater at Chelsea? Not easy when you left a club where you were the main person....
I beg to disagree
Signing players is not an exact science and every club will have some misses (although one could argue that getting in the players that the manager/scouts have asked for, is pretty much the definition of being a good football executive).
Top means they have proved it? Tevez and RVN could not be guaranteed starting football so they went where they would. Martial would probably not be here under Ole cause he wouldn't be playing enough football. Yes we should keep him but people forget, players generally are not happy playing from the bench at any level not to mention top 80m plus ones. Bale happy coming off the bench? Really.....he refused to travel the last game.
No they buy the best German talent. If not initially but please name a top German player that's not played for Bayern? It's almost something the German national team demands. Spains the same too....
when i have watched him, he seems to be good techinically. Still raw but much better than Dan James was when we got him.
They have a clear strategy, understand the football business, know what is needed to succeed, etc. etc. Even when things don’t go too well, they can turn it around and the team is just incredibly strong
