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Pep no. Tuchel maybe. Ancelotti probably.
The reality seems very simple to me. We've got an insanely huge squad which create a huge financial burden on the club. The decisions taken by the club (including Ole) didn't really alleviated that problem. Jones, VDB and Jesse are still here with the blessing of the manager, Mata, Matic and Grant has been given contract extensions and we added what? a 3rd, 4th choice GK? On top of that we've added 3 new players that Ole seem over the moon about. Do you really believe that the club could simply add more players with no limits whatsoever? Well guess what? Keeping Jonesy because :sob story:, Jesse because he's homegrown, Mata and Grant because they are nice people who would one day do well as coaches with Mckenneky and Carricky etc has consequences. There's a limit of how big our squad can grow.This argument loses credibility when the line has been towed all summer that we need sales to fund any more incomings, only for the Glazers to sanction a mammoth deal for Ronaldo in a matter of hours.
For years we haven't shown the ambition in the transfer market to go and win a title. We are now one position away from having a squad that is very capable of challenging and the ownership are more concerned with a PR/vanity signing than one that addresses the weaknesses of the team.
What an asbolutely braindead comment. That's like me saying SAF kept Scholes so he's clearly good enough for us now. Every manager kept younger versions of Mata and Lingard. There's no comparison.And yet every manager that come before Ole has kept Lingard, and Mata.
I sometimes struggle to understand how people who get paid big salaries to manage this football club can be so incompetent when it comes to squad optimization matters.The reality seems very simple to me. We've got an insanely huge squad which create a huge financial burden on the club. The decisions taken by the club (including Ole) didn't really alleviated that problem. Jones, VDB and Jesse are still here with the blessing of the manager, Mata and Grant has been given contract extensions, we added what? a 3rd, 4th choice GK? On top of that we've added 3 new players that Ole seem over the moon about. Do you really believe that the club could simply add more players with no limits whatsoever? Well guess what? Keeping Jonesy because :sob story:, Jesse because he's homegrown, Mata and Grant because they are nice people who would one day do well as coaches with Mckenneky and Carricky etc has consequences. There's a limit of how big our squad can grow.
Now let's have a look at CM. McT seems to be Ole's love child, he's the anti VDB who seem to be Ole's whipping boy. Ole seem to have developed a fetishness for Fred too. Pogba is still here and tbh he's been bailing us out recently, Bruno is untouchable, Mata is always smiling and Matic is still here as well. There's really little room for a CM unless Ole becomes ruthless. So as said, I don't think CM was a priority under Ole. If it was then he'd probably sacrificed Sancho or at least he would have pushed some players out to make space for the new guy.
I'm going to ignore the stupidity about love children, whipping boys and fetishes, so I'll answer the question in bold.The reality seems very simple to me. We've got an insanely huge squad which create a huge financial burden on the club. The decisions taken by the club (including Ole) didn't really alleviated that problem. Jones, VDB and Jesse are still here with the blessing of the manager, Mata, Matic and Grant has been given contract extensions and we added what? a 3rd, 4th choice GK? On top of that we've added 3 new players that Ole seem over the moon about. Do you really believe that the club could simply add more players with no limits whatsoever? Well guess what? Keeping Jonesy because :sob story:, Jesse because he's homegrown, Mata and Grant because they are nice people who would one day do well as coaches with Mckenneky and Carricky etc has consequences. There's a limit of how big our squad can grow.
Now let's have a look at CM. McT seems to be Ole's love child, he's the anti VDB who seem to be Ole's whipping boy. Ole seem to have developed a fetishness for Fred too. Pogba is still here and tbh he's been bailing us out recently, Bruno is untouchable, Mata is always smiling and Matic is still here as well and on a new contract as well. There's really little room for a CM unless Ole becomes ruthless. So as said, I don't think CM was a priority under Ole. If it was then he'd probably sacrificed Sancho or at least he would have pushed some players out to make space for the new guy.
Beating city is not everything. Mourinho got us to second place in the only season we finished north of 80 points since Fergie left. Was that 2017/18 squad much better than the squads Solskjaer has been building these last few seasons? Did Liecester have a better squad when they won the league?No manager in world football would have achieved better league positions with the players Ole has had at his disposal.
That's not to say I believe Ole is the best manager in the world, just that I fail to see how anybody else could have toppled this City squad with such obvious deficiencies in our squad.
So you think we're preserving Mata's, Grant's and Matic's value by handling them new contract extensions? Are we preserving Jesse's value by not selling him few months before the end of his contract? Are we preserving VDB's value by keeping him here despite not playing him?I'm going to ignore the stupidity about love children, whipping boys and fetishes, so I'll answer the question in bold.
The club didn't have a problem adding Cristiano Ronaldo on a whim having briefed that a midfielder couldn't be signed without outgoings. Our finances are not that desperate. Dan James has left for a good fee, Lingard likely would've left too if he didn't want to stay - as has been widely reported in the media. There's not a doubt in my mind Solskjaer wanted a midfielder, and you shouldn't have to forego another position of need to facilitate that signing.
The manager is clearly operating under constraints. Our recruitment has been good under Solskjaer and the contracts we've given out to 'preserve value' aren't a Solskjaer problem - those have been going on for years and are likely coming directly from the Glazers and Woodward.
The Grant, Matic and Mata are insignificant contracts in the grand scheme. Do you really believe the signing of Tom Heaton has prevented us from signing a midfielder? Lets be serious now.So you think we're preserving Mata's, Grant's and Matic's value by handling them new contract extensions? Are we preserving Jesse's value by not selling him few months before the end of his contract? Are we preserving VDB's value by keeping him here despite not playing him?
The club has a limit over the amount of players it can sign and it certainly have a limit of the amount of annual salary it can dish out. We chose to give the players above contract extensions, to retain Jesse and to sign 4 players including Heaton (I guess DDG, Henderson and Grant needed further cover) which means that CM was not top priority. IAlso note that Jon Murtoughy and Darren Fletchery are our DOF and technical directors while Ole still has a veto. We can attribute Ole and Carricky all success in the transfer market and then blame Woodward/Glazers when we don't get that one toy we missed.
We've got Matic, Fred, McT, VDB, Pogba, Bruno, Jesse and Mata who can play in CM. 8 players for 3 roles and that excluding the likes of Mejbri, Garner and Sancho who can play in midfield as well. Do you expect the club to add more CMs to that?
They are still players and players are paid huge salaries, salaries that could have easily gone somewhere else. Regarding your second sentence, Lingard and Sancho can easily play as no 10. On top of that we've got Matic, Fred, McT, VDB, Pogba, Bruno, Garner and Mejbri. 8 players for 3 roles (and Im excluding Periera). How many midfielders do we need?The Grant, Matic and Mata are insignificant contracts in the grand scheme. Do you really believe the signing of Tom Heaton has prevented us from signing a midfielder? Lets be serious now.
I can't even attempt to take your post seriously when you're proposing Lingard, Mata and Sancho as genuine midfield options. Why not play Lee Grant up front?
Beating City is everything since they finished top last season...if we want to win the league, we're going to have to finish above them!Beating city is not everything. Mourinho got us to second place in the only season we finished north of 80 points since Fergie left. Was that 2017/18 squad much better than the squads Solskjaer has been building these last few seasons? Did Liecester have a better squad when they won the league?
Seems it's irrelevant because it doesn't suit your argument. Im talking about a mere few seasons ago, not the 90s. Mourinho achieved now than Solskjaer in that single season and the claim is no one else can take us higher with the teams Solskjaer has had.Beating City is everything since they finished top last season...if we want to win the league, we're going to have to finish above them!
Also, talking about points and what happened in other seasons is absolutely irrelevant.
It's irrelevant because you don't award titles on points, you award them on league positions.Seems it's irrelevant because it doesn't suit your argument. Im talking about a mere few seasons ago, not the 90s. Mourinho achieved now than Solskjaer in that single season and the claim is no one else can take us higher with the teams Solskjaer has had.
Doing the double on city this season won't mean jack if we can't turn more than half our draws from last season into wins.
This is spot onNobody would definitely win the title win any of those sides as those teams all have flaws and face tough competition.
Obviously the vast majority of people would say Pep & Tuchel (and indeed Klopp) would be more likely to win the title with those teams than Solskjaer, as they're proven (to varying extents) in a way he isn't isn't. In truth there are few teams in the league whose fans would think bringing Solskjaer in would be an improvement.
We know this though. If you're backing Solskjaer to be a top level manager then (unless you're detached from reality) you know you're doing so against the tide of opinion among football fans. You might be right or you might be wrong but you can't reasonably think that on paper he matches up to them in a way anyone other than a Manchester United fan would think comparable. Instead you're hoping he's a better fit for this particular club than those managers would be in a way that has yet to fully materialise on the pitch.
The point that I wanted to make, regarding Pep, is that he needs to make a lot of change on existing squad, before they can meet his style of play. Tuchel, on the other hand, has the ability to work on existing squad.Why would be need to buy new fullbacks at United when he has Shaw and AWB (a younger Walker) at his disposal, instead of an atrophied Sagna and Clichy and Kolarov?
It bears saying that he won the league last season without playing a striker. Its not certain he would win the league without his signings but he'd do better (maybe use VDB for one??)
He barely outperformed Ole so far league wise. What makes you think he is automatically good for 10 extra points?
What big-head players do City have? And how is Chelsea not suited for Ole's preference for counter attacking?
The OP is a shitty one, because it's questions no one can answer definitely, but enough people try using spurious information.