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Bring in Rangnick before any manager.
We've really got to move away from this romanticism shite. There are no ''ways'' of United, they died along with SAF's retirement. What we need to do now is build a new identity, because we haven't got a single shred. Our most successful manager since SAF retired was not a ''United way'' man. Not saying he was a success but he won us trophies and for a short period brought at least some of our pride back. Ole and his entire coaching staff may get United, but I honestly don't give a feck anymore, they're not good enough for the club.No way in hell. I don't think Allegri would under the ways of United. I think Ole should be given more time. If the right signings are made, i think he can change it around because i think we need precision in the attack and as a manager i think he can be the best to link forward players. He has the likes of Carrick to assist the midfielders and our defense is pretty decent this season compared to any of our last 6 seasons. I think we'll have a better shot at top4 or even winning the league if we get together a team of players who understand each other on and away from the pitch. That happens only with time. We keep changing managers and ideas and the squad has never had the time to settle to one set of ideas/ideals. Ole insists he keeps pushing the players to perform well. I do have one problem with Ole though, i don't think he can be a bossy boss. I think he needs to be that when necessary because i've seen Sir Alex go into the dressing room and pull out all the guns. He is mean but that drives players to do better. Not all the players under Sir Alex have been happy under him but they always wanted to be a part of his team because he knew how to get it done. He's beaten good teams but putting out less than half of the team we have now. So it is all about character and intensity within the team.
Right now we are lackluster but i think Ole can turn this around if given time until the summer and beyond!
It'd be the ultimate final piece for Pogba wouldn't it!Also if we get Allegri, not sure what happens to Pogba. I wanted to get rid of him, I still think we should, I still think he wants out...but now all of a sudden we'd be getting a manager that had Pogba playing like one of the better players in the world.
I still say, sell him first chance if you can but getting Allegri does make things a bit more interesting.
I agree until the club is hit financially we won't see major changes, even if you bring the pep or Klopp yes they will do better but won't win you a title because they won't be backed correctly in the market and the players we have are just not good enough.Boycotting is the only way. As many people as possible with tickets to Liverpool game simply don't go. Let Woodward explain an empty stadium for a televised biggest game of the season to all his money men.
Well if you go back and read the last line of that post is my answer to the bold bit as firmly place the blame on him going on holidays rather than start straight away. As for comparing lamps and Hazard to the one dimensional AV and the hot and cold act of Nani is madness (sorry) and vidic was on his last legs when moyes took over and Oscar played a big part in him winning the league.
As for mou being a better coach, yeah back in the day maybe (hard to tell given money spent in first spell and no one to challenge him as remember we were all over the shop during his first spell as were arsenal after the season they went unbeaten, AF got us back on track and he was fired some months later.
So prior to leaving for Madrid he might have being, but thats when he became bitter because with all the money and talent he was always second best in Spain to pep and he left Spain and he wasnt the same Jose whos Porto cheated their way to a uefa win over Celtic and won the CL in a year that was considered dire in European footie in 04 when the mighty Greeks won the euros for heaven stakes.
Who is this Thaiago?Simple question. Mourinho takes over when he should have. Doesn't ditter, as he never does..
Does this team finish 7th or retain a title won by City after Liverpool bottle it.
-------------------De Gea---------------
Rafael-------Rio------Vidic-------Evra
------------Carrick------Thiago---------
Valencia---------Rooney---------Nani
----------------- -RVP----------------
Subs
Smalling
Kagawa
Cleverly
Willian
Welbeck
Buttner
Lindergard
It was a joke what Moyes did and some fans wanted time.
Imagine going to a top manager who won loads and telling him that while you're 12th and close to relegation zones.Tell him he will be here as an interim manager and he will be one until Poch is gone from Spurs. If he doesn’t want to be an interim, then it’s fine as he’s looking out for himself. I suspect Poch is the manager that the club really really wants
Mourinho is a "top manager who won loads" too....... the problem with Allegri is that he's basically a better version of Unai Emery. He knows his tactics very well but he needs a strong squad to work with. Give him a broken unbalance squad and he's clueless as to how to get the best out of it, see his time at Milan. This is where Poch is superior, he managed to get the best out of beggars at Spurs.Imagine going to a top manager who won loads and telling him that while you're 12th and close to relegation zones.
The Milan team wasn't unbalanced or broken, it had been dismantled for financial reasons. There is no comparison to make with Spurs who have very good players.Mourinho is a "top manager who won loads" too....... the problem with Allegri is that he's basically a better version of Unai Emery. He knows his tactics very well but he needs a strong squad to work with. Give him a broken unbalance squad and he's clueless as to how to get the best out of it, see his time at Milan. This is where Poch is superior, he managed to get the best out of beggars at Spurs.
What is that related to my post? Did you stop at the first phrase without reading what I was quoting?Mourinho is a "top manager who won loads" too....... the problem with Allegri is that he's basically a better version of Unai Emery. He knows his tactics very well but he needs a strong squad to work with. Give him a broken unbalance squad and he's clueless as to how to get the best out of it, see his time at Milan. This is where Poch is superior, he managed to get the best out of beggars at Spurs.
No, we reigned because the manager was Sir Alex Ferguson. Giving any random idiot 6 years to spend hundreds of millions with no return won't turn him into SAF and it isn't patience, it's negligence.None. That's why in England nobody reigns like we reigned.
He is only 6 years older than Solskjaer. Hardly a world of difference in age.No, we dont need old defensive managers.
Well, now we got a slightly younger and even more defensive manager + quite a terrible tactician.No, we dont need old defensive managers.
I agree. Any quality manager wouldn't have allowed Liverpool to have that easy of a ride in the second half. We practically rolled over for them in the end.Allegri would have won that game today.
We have a defensive manager now, Allegri would be a much better defensive manager at least.No, we dont need old defensive managers.
so allegri would have beaten a much better manager with a much worse squad?Allegri would have won that game today.
wtf? 10k messages in 15 years and your post is serious about offering an interim to one of the most respected managers in the game and possibly the best available out there? can’t be so deep under a rock for sure.Tell him he will be here as an interim manager and he will be one until Poch is gone from Spurs. If he doesn’t want to be an interim, then it’s fine as he’s looking out for himself. I suspect Poch is the manager that the club really really wants
It is getting beyond stupid now. And no, I would not take Allegri.so allegri would have beaten a much better manager with a much worse squad?
honestly...
Haven't followed Italian football closely but he got Juve to 2 CL finals and kept winning the Italian cup and Serie A. Seems like a good manager to get to drill the side into playing functioning football. What's so awful about him? Another Van Gaal type short term appointment?Allegri would be an awful appointment and people advocating for him clearly haven't been paying attention to shit the last 6 years.
Geunine question, what sets Bosz and Ten Hag apart from De Boer who had a horrid time away from Ajax?Don't want Allegri here ever. Rather we finish 10th with Ole still here. Can get behind other appointments like Peter Bosz / Julian Nagelsmann / Ten Hag but not Allegri. The man can't even speak English ffs.
De Boer was all about possession, but the football was often boring. Bosz instantly improved that and he's done well with Bayer Leverkusen so far too.Geunine question, what sets Bosz and Ten Hag apart from De Boer who had a horrid time away from Ajax?
Klopp is not better than Allegri, let alone 'much' better.so allegri would have beaten a much better manager with a much worse squad?
honestly...
There is Allegri. He's for sure better than Klopp and Pep even though better historically Allegri has him beat over the 5 year period he was at Juve.There’s no Klopp or Guardiola level coach available.
Cool story. When we eventually finish 10th or lower in the PL, I sincerely hope you will thank the gods that we didn't sign Allegri.Don't want Allegri here ever. Rather we finish 10th with Ole still here. Can get behind other appointments like Peter Bosz / Julian Nagelsmann / Ten Hag but not Allegri. The man can't even speak English ffs.
Ok dude. And when we do sign him and he turns out to be a mix of Van Gaal and Mourinho and everyone wants him gone within a year, will you thank the gods that we did? What I'm saying is there's better and younger coaches out there that actually want to play attacking football and have shown that they're capable of building a team up.Cool story. When we eventually finish 10th or lower in the PL, I sincerely hope you will thank the gods that we didn't sign Allegri.
Being a mix of LVG and Mourinho means he will still be doing better than Ole though.Ok dude. And when we do sign him and he turns out to be a mix of Van Gaal and Mourinho and everyone wants him gone within a year, will you thank the gods that we did? What I'm saying is there's better and younger coaches out there that actually want to play attacking football and have shown that they're capable of building a team up.
... You might be alone in thinking thatKlopp is not better than Allegri, let alone 'much' better.
There is Allegri. He's for sure better than Klopp and Pep even though better historically Allegri has him beat over the 5 year period he was at Juve.