What happens if Poch isn't the roaring success at United that you seem totally convinced he will be? (See its easy to think negatively if you want to)
Would you sack or keep Ole? (Poll reopened)
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It's not just a matter of being good enough at United. Mourinho was proven to be good enough, but it just didn't work.
SAF was proven to be good enough, but it didn't work for him for four years. Ole inherited a team in monumental decline and had to clear out good players who were a wrong fit for the club.
He was unable to strengthen every area that needed strengthening, and has had to rely on inexperienced players. He's been under pressure with the expectancy that comes with managing the biggest club in the world, and had to bounce back from some dreadful performances. The squad is not a top 4 squad whoever the manager would be.
Ole has done ok with the team he's got, but there are too many impatient fans here desperate for success who are critical of Ole simply because he's unproven. Too impatient!
It seems very much as though this sacking is more than just about results. Pochettino looks like he has wanted out for some time, as do a few of the key players.
Ole isn't untouchable - far from it - its just that some on here and many, many matchgoing fans seem to think that we aren't at the point where we need to fire our manager.
They didn't have much of a choice since he clearly lost the dressing room, and barely trains with his players anymore. Ole has not, so there's the big difference.
There's a bigger chance of Poch succeeding here compared to Ole, considering both managerial abilities and their careers so far.
If we are to work with probabilities Poch is the safer option to take the club forward.
Every smart businessman or even a man would go for the option that gives him more probability for success. At least this is how the world is at the moment.
You seem to be on the romantic end and wishful thinking, tough.
There is a big chance Ole won't make it. And then, seemingly you are ok with passing on a very viable option for us available now, what would you suggest ?
Let's say Ole goes on another bad run and Poch is taken, Allegri goes to Arsenal or whatever,Nagelsmann and Rose are happy and just starting their work in Germany, what do you suggest? Keep Ole for 5 years?
Even after his previous spell ended in disaster, and a termination? What kind of businessman only looks at the positives?
Poch played CL final not so long ago, hardly a disaster. Spurs are 2 points worse than us currently and 3 goals less in terms of GD - all of that can reverse just after a single game.
This thread will be a ultra shit show now. In one ditch you will have awaken followers and cultist of JM, who will be gunning for Ole while being in hypocrite mode, in opposite ditch you will have similar type in different package defending Ole corner with some mental logic. God help those caught in between.
And after this if we don't succeed they will say the board signed those 25 players not Ole.
Liverpool board when they hired Klopp.
I find it a little annoying that anybody who doesn't want Ole sacked is thought to be feeling that way because he used to play for us. To be clear, that plays precisely zero part in my thought process.
If it doesn't work out with Ole there will be always be a talented manager available to a club of our size. You call it wishful thinking. I call it long-term thinking with a clear plan. Each to their own.
We need to get Poch tide up for the summer because it's the sensible thing to do.
Nothing against Ole but I don't now how anyone can argue for him at this point.
We will regret it if we let Poch go to someone else and are stuck coming sub 4th.
Nothing against Ole but I don't now how anyone can argue for him at this point.
We will regret it if we let Poch go to someone else and are stuck coming sub 4th.
Eh? He left Dortmund with his head held high, on his own terms, the team even went on a good run after he announced he was leaving at the end of the season.
Yes, that we all know. But, these are all football people in a football universe, in a football world doing a global game, which are much wider than the premier league and the norwegian alone. Even if the world of football is not as good a standard in Norway vs premier league. There are still the same people in Norway so as in England, namely football people, with different attributes but still with a lot of similarities and in the end the game is still being played on a pitch, with the same rules. The premier league are more professional, have a broader audience, more money etc.
Even so. Ole is not some strange dude (for some he is, but then again who isn`t), random character from the west of Norway, he has United blood through and through (and we will never know how good Poch would have done with Cardiff at the time)
I see where you are going though, and if you see where i am going we can agree to disagree and move on. These are all yesterdays yawny debates. Have a nice day (i mean it) !
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He was fighting relegation for the first half of the season, and they barely improved enough to finish 7th and lost the cup final even though they won the title in 2 seasons previously. Poch could have as well finished the season with Spurs and finished in the same spot if they don't sack him, why do you know? Just because BvB gave Klopp more time it doesn't mean anything. Are you basing it entirely on the idea of being sacked or not?
Liverpool hired Klopp coming on the back of his worst season. Means feck all because he was a young manager and was quality that just had a terrible season for various reasons.
Trust me on this. Results will decide his future.
You can't truly believe that there aren't enough sufficient reasons to sack Ole for Pochettino, can you?
Mind you I don't see the point in doing so now unless our hand is forced by another club going for him. Better to wait til the season is over, but we would be idiots to let Poch slip away for the sake of some failed romantic "project" with Ole. A bit like we were idiots to let Klopp slip away and keep LvG.
It doesn't make sense that Poch is seen as such a sure thing on here and that hiring him is something we 'have to do'. He's won nothing in 5 years with a better squad than we've had in that time. It would just be blind faith that he could repeat his one 'successful' spell with a completely different set of players and circumstances.
They've now hired our failed manager to clear up his mess. It will be interesting to see how he compares results wise.
They've now hired our failed manager to clear up his mess. It will be interesting to see how he compares results wise.
It's not just about giving him more time, when klopp decided to leave it was because he felt he got them as far as he could. It was a natural progression. Poch has not looked right all year and the cl final probably did him in. He has been looking dour all season and been throwing his players under the bus every time they get a bad result. Tobys interview on ssn was so cold. Klopp's stock was much higher when he ledt back then, and he was famous for his philosophy. Poch is known for being a motivator, yet he s been looking depressed for awhile. Haven't we learned our lesson with Jose, and going after managers right after a bad breakup? We cannot just expect him to come here and be like 2015 2016 poch.
Yep. I’ve no doubt The spent force that is Jose will bring the trophies to WHL that miracle worker Poch failed to do.
The first half of Klopp's last season there was as bad this half of Poch's. They were at one point in the last position in the league. Any other club would have sacked him then before he takes the decision to leave. They were close to relegation, you know?
It's really weird to throw everything Poch has done under the bus because of a terrible half of the season. He's 47 ffs. He's still a young manager and can very well be still on the same progression route as Klopp at this time. The only mistake he did wasn't quiting Spurs in summer after CL final. A terrible season is hardly going to change that. He was managing in CL final 6 months ago.
Poch likes to have a free role with all team matters including players he wants in and out. Don't think it would work wit Woody. We would be in the same boat as Mourinho again. Better allow Ole to continue the rebuilding.
Why do people insist on calling it a romantic project? Is it romance every time a club appoint a former player as manager?
If at the end of the season Ole's performance is deemed to be insufficient and Poch is still available, then he would be a great choice as a replacement. At the moment I don't believe that to be the case.
So, should we do it? It’s now or never.
It's a terrible argument yet you have no way to rebuke it because it's absolute facts. Pochettino hasn't won anything in his long managerial career. He has yet to prove his worth and be labelled as the supposed world class manager.
What I specifically don't like about him is the fact he sometimes acts like a mini-Mourinho and I have absolutely no time for that BS.
Ole will get more time. There is harmony with the players and finally a bit of optimism and momentum. We're not going to bin him straightaway, let's be realistic. Besides Poch looks like he needs a break and if he really wants us he'd wait and see what happens for a while at least.
So was Ole on your top 5 list managers to manage United long term based on his "success" at Norway back in summer 2018 when Mourinho was having his meltdown?
In no way can you call spurs ambitious in hiring a manager deemed not good enough at Utd especially when fans hete want the manager they sacked .
How come we tolerate poor Results & play & Spurs don’t?
Are they a bigger club than us now mentality wise?
Are they a bigger club than us now mentality wise?
Jose was definitely good enough for us. He’s a world class manager. It just didn’t work out for him here- he’ll do great & win things are Spurs while we meander in mid table with Ole
We just had no manager to hire. But now we do
No, he wasn't.
The reason I'm arguing about it so much is because it pisses me off that we have so called fans who want the club to sack Ole on the spot and immediately hire Pochettino. I've seen deplorable comments like wishing Mourinho embarrasses us at OT so he gets his revenge on us and we get Poch.
What kind of a fecking fanbase have we become? It's disgusting and beyond spoilt to have that kind of mentality.
You know the answer to that question..
Correct
Glad you are honest with yourself. Rest of the post, hardly related to your post that I was replaying on.
I know you won't care because you used to be one of the Mourinho cultists and probably still are. You guys have no remorse and dignity, it's pathetic.
I hope we trash Spurs and all of you are back in you holes.
So we should consider Ronny Deila then? He won the title for the first time in Strømsgodset history and left them in a good shape. Won titles in Scotland too..
Is this supposed to be an insult? Very poor attempt if so. That's what you get from Ole in crowd anyway. Spreading insults left, right and center at everyone who doesn't trust Ole, and thinking themselves as the real fans of the club whom all people should learn from them. It will be funny what they will do once Ole inevitably leaves.
You and that footygirl are one of the biggest flip-flops on the Caf. It's incredible to see how gullible and reactionary some people can be.
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