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Would you sack or keep Ole? (Poll reopened)
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Curious what people thought was a good season before a game was played?
And what would be a good season now.
Before the season started I thought top 4 had to be a must, unlikely to make 1st or 2nd. And would be good to win a cup or have a decent cup run at the very least.
And what would be a good season now.
Before the season started I thought top 4 had to be a must, unlikely to make 1st or 2nd. And would be good to win a cup or have a decent cup run at the very least.
If I don’t have a clue there’s not much luck for you is there.
We should reassess at the end of the season. I will say Bruno coming in has absolutely helped because we now have an attacking midfielder who can make things happen. People are going nuts like this exact time last year when we got all giddy about beating PSG over two legs (myself included) The results after that were grim to say the least.
So I remain hesitant to fully embracing OGS. I have seen many false dawns in these post SAF times. I remember when LVG went to Anfield and put on the most convincing Utd performance I’ve ever seen, then smacking City silly at OT followed by losing 3-0 to Everton away and losing at home to WBA.
Beating City means nothing if you can’t beat the likes of Palace or Burnley at home. We sadly don’t get more points for beating the best teams. He has to be consistent with these results. He needs to figure out these teams who aren’t going to attack his team and therefore the onus is on us to break them down and have possession, whilst that team relies on counter attacking opportunities.
I will put forward this probably impossible scenario where if we got the likes of Sancho, Grealish and any other of these realistic-ish signings regardless of Champions League then I’d be tempted to let him stay for next season... BUT the expectations will be ramped up significantly. I feel like we’re being very lenient with him because of his stature with the club. If we end up in a situation where we have these amazing signings and OGS is the manager, then we should objectively treat him as if he’s LVG or Jose... because he’d have had as much as they did to spend on players at that point and regardless of his player stature, he should judged equally against those guys.
So I remain hesitant to fully embracing OGS. I have seen many false dawns in these post SAF times. I remember when LVG went to Anfield and put on the most convincing Utd performance I’ve ever seen, then smacking City silly at OT followed by losing 3-0 to Everton away and losing at home to WBA.
Beating City means nothing if you can’t beat the likes of Palace or Burnley at home. We sadly don’t get more points for beating the best teams. He has to be consistent with these results. He needs to figure out these teams who aren’t going to attack his team and therefore the onus is on us to break them down and have possession, whilst that team relies on counter attacking opportunities.
I will put forward this probably impossible scenario where if we got the likes of Sancho, Grealish and any other of these realistic-ish signings regardless of Champions League then I’d be tempted to let him stay for next season... BUT the expectations will be ramped up significantly. I feel like we’re being very lenient with him because of his stature with the club. If we end up in a situation where we have these amazing signings and OGS is the manager, then we should objectively treat him as if he’s LVG or Jose... because he’d have had as much as they did to spend on players at that point and regardless of his player stature, he should judged equally against those guys.
Circumstances a little different now, no? Players were falling like flies due to injuries in that time, and the team that played PSG had a lot of reserves and youth in it. Right now there is no new injuries, the squad seems fitter and we even have players coming back like Pogba and hopefully Rashford.
You were in the minority then.
We began the season with probably the weakest midfield of the top 10 clubs. To find ourselves only 3 points behind fourth at this stage is somewhat of an achievement all things considered.
Ole deserves credit for that if you ask me.
Agreed, this is a good dissemination between supporting the club and supporting the manager. Solskjaer has to earn his stay it should not be given to him on merit of his historic achievements in his playing day. Europa league win / top four if not he deserves the door.
I don't think that's the case we have harboured injuries throughout the majority of the season, even with a few players returning to fitness the circumstances are not massively indifferent.
I genuinely think the influence of Fernandes was not anticipated and he's managed to cultivate the whole outlook of the team. If we see Pogba back to fitness along with Bruno in the midfield, can anyone contest that we will have one of the strongest central areas in the league ? The emphasis is not with injuries it's that's we've seemingly signed a world class player in an integral position who is contributing to the team. Solskjaer deserves credit additionally because no matter how good a player is they still need a foundation to excel and perform which has been provided.
Say what you want about Ole but the man's mental strength is second to none. The amount of pressure he was put under the past few months, the storys about Poch taking over, all the pundits critisising him, talking about when he would get sacked.
The man never cracked, he actually turned it around, now we are seeing the results. He has went up against the best of the best and he slapped most of them (Kloop being the only one he hasnt got the best of yet). Not bad for a Norwegian PE teacher ehh?
The man never cracked, he actually turned it around, now we are seeing the results. He has went up against the best of the best and he slapped most of them (Kloop being the only one he hasnt got the best of yet). Not bad for a Norwegian PE teacher ehh?
Wow. Never would have guessed that.
I was thinking top 6 would be a good result. With all the player sales and playing kids, plus Spurs having 3rd locked up, CL seemed pretty unlikely.
Needs an option to continue assessing. We were fecking shite for the longest time, 10 games isn't enough of a sample size to prove we've turned a new leaf. I'm not as convinced we should sack him now, though. Here's hoping he can keep proving he's good enough, who wouldn't love a club legend to make it here.
Solskjær ha built the entire team to accommodate Fernandes or a player of his ilk. It's not a coincidence that the whole team improves when you get the most important part of the puzzle,
At this time last year, the players looked shattered and the injury list include almost the entire midfield. Right now Ole has 5 great options to choose between. I'd say the circumstances are completely different.
Poll reopened for a few hours and the sack % dropped like oil prices.
Clearly recruitment is going to make or break him. He desperately needs another Fernandes type signing for this team to be successful.
What?
The poster i quoted was citing substituting Bailly for Williams as amazing in-game management and I correctly pointed out that it was a change any single one of us non-managers would have made. My comment was nothing to do with the result, which i said was awesome. It was to do with exaggerations which were completely unnecessary because there was enough genuine things to praise Ole for yesterday without resorting to that.
Actually it's preferred that you nor I are in charge of hiring or firing managers.
I said the run was 5 cup games and 5 league games... when we have a consistent run of results against Premier League opposition, then people can start talking about corner turned.
We do though. 3rd best in the league right now for the last 17 games.
https://www.redcafe.net/threads/ole-gunnar-solskjær-2019-20-discussion.446090/post-25382830
Don't change your vote and reverse the jinx!
As much as I like the effort that's gone into that thread - can we just stick to how we're doing season by season? We're 29 games in, not 17 - I'm all for positivity but we should look at it as it is: we're 5th with the positive being that we do feel like me might be able to generate enough momentum to chase down Chelsea and or Leicester as it stands. Consistency has been our biggest weakness and ironically, the 'hardest' games have generally been ok for us (Ole has 99 problems but beating Pep isn't one), would love for us to kick on and grind out some back to back wins now.
Yes of course, the season is unacceptable by many standards.
It's just that we should dismiss the notion that we've been consistently bad. There was a corner turned, whether we like it or not.
We've been consistently bad for the first 11 games of the season. Why? This remains to be analyzed.
However, the feeling is that that was analyzed and is now being addressed.
The last 17 games have been consistent, and more positive.
A bit more work and recruitment of players might actually change that points ratio closer to 85% or 90%, if not more. And then, this would be the start of a very good season.
Crystal Palace are 1st best in the league right now for the last 3 games.
To be fair, you're the one banging the drum about us not being consistent when the reality is over 17 games we have been. That's a huge chunk of the season.
It's also a bit weird complaining about consistency when we're in the middle of a 10 game unbeaten run. Seems like you've chosen a ditch to make your last stand somewhat.
I'm still reserving judgement until the end of the season, remembering how United collapsed last season The Fernandes signing has been superb but it was a big mistake not signing him last Summer. Had United done that we would have at least 10 more points and comfortably in the top 4. If Ole achieves top 4 then he certainly deserves to have next season. If we get that then the summer signings will be much more gettable with the lure of Champions League football. Grealish, Sancho and maybe a striker and United will be challenging for the title.
Where is the choice where you get to sit on the fence "eternally"
keep will overtake sack within in the next few days
True, but i think our strategy in the market has shifted a bit and that gives me hope. Under Ole we have seen 9 players leave and only 4 players inn.
Everyone and their dog could see our squad was razor thin in August and loads of people here have (rightfully?) criticized him for getting rid of so many players without replacing them. What this imo implies though is that we are taking it slow and properly scouting and assessing potential targets before pulling the trigger instead of just throwing money at whoever is available and hope it sorts itself
To say we've hit a couple of snags along the road results wise would be a massive understatement, recent run aside, but overall our transfer policy under Ole has been excellent. Honestly, i would be more than happy to have another season with a "thin squad" if it means we start the season 21/22 without any deadwood or bad apples in our team
Good post. Would give it a like if I could.
We've yet to see how high Ole's ceiling is, but he's handled the rebuild very well and earned the time to fine tune and get the best out of this squad. Personally I'm optimistic and have enjoyed the football, if not always the results, we've had during his tenure, and I agree it's obvious the team has improved.
Ah damn, still chasing that elusive 10th like as well
Can only mods give likes?Cheers anyway, I obviously agree with you and have enjoyed the football if not the results.
First time I’ve been excited by a United team in years.
Yes, three games shows the same level of consistency as 17 games......
Your team is playing well and competing on multiple fronts, try and enjoy it.
Spot on and how many managers have ever beaten the master tactician Pep three times over 90 minutes in a single season?
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I have my vote as out and for the time being will keep it that way. There has been a definite uptick in our form over the last few games in all competitions and it surely coincides with the arrival of Bruno.
If we keep this form up and get top 4 while also reaching deep in the other cup competitions, then I think Ole should be given another season with a full backing in the summer transfer window. I do get a good feeling about us this time. A good summer window, with our key players back (like Rashford and Pogba if the stays), along with the natural development of a top talent like Mason, and we will be fighting at the top of the PL table next season.
If however this is just a bounce because a top player has come in, then it will peter out soon. In that case, Ole out stays as my vote.
If we keep this form up and get top 4 while also reaching deep in the other cup competitions, then I think Ole should be given another season with a full backing in the summer transfer window. I do get a good feeling about us this time. A good summer window, with our key players back (like Rashford and Pogba if the stays), along with the natural development of a top talent like Mason, and we will be fighting at the top of the PL table next season.
If however this is just a bounce because a top player has come in, then it will peter out soon. In that case, Ole out stays as my vote.
If he keeps this uptick, he deserves another season.
If he falls down and finished 6-8th from this point should get a better manager to manage bruno.
If he falls down and finished 6-8th from this point should get a better manager to manage bruno.
Gone from red to amber.
Still baffled that people just not have some patience and waits until May instead of jumping from sack to keep.
Human nature I guess.
Bruno won't just disappear though. Our results are better because we now have a decent midfield. That's not gonna suddenly change.
Our bad results typically involved the likes of Pereira, Lingard and Matic (before he got his form back) We literally didn't have good enough midfielders to consistently win games. With Fred, Scott, Bruno, rejuvenated Matic, and soon Pogba we should be fine in that regard.
I remember when there was an argument that we had the 5th best squad in the league based on the quality of our players. I think that was before Fernandes and Ighalo came and the Rashford injury. So form aside and just focusing on the quality of our players right now, where would you rank our team compared to others. Still the 5th best squad?
I don't understand that way of thinking because ultimately it's Ole who brought Bruno in and more importantly Bruno has been brought into a functioning side which is much more balanced than it was, which is again down to Ole.
Very few players will arrive in a new league and hit the ground running like Bruno unless the squad functional and environment is good.
Yes he's improved us but we've enabled him to express himself. Compare that to when Pogba was brought in and how he has struggled with poor players and tactics around him. This is why I'm desperate to see how Pogba plays in this current side.
Good post, sir. Bruno would not have the same kind of impact if he was put in last years side.
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