Would you sack or keep Ole? (Poll reopened)

[simonhch]

Ffs. Get behind your damn manager. We’ve had no preseason at all. Have to play a palace side with 5 games under their belt is just deeply unfair. I firmly believe in what we are doing and I believe in Ole. The second half of last season was the first time I have consistently believed in our side and enjoyed it since Fergie left. Our recruitment quality has been great under Ole and we just have to remain focused on the bigger picture.

 

[Andycoleno9]

And we’ll be into the same cycle of a board doing enough to get a manager into the top 4, then a summer of letting them down and sacking the manager when they drop out of the top four.

The thread is a disgrace and you’re also a disgrace in your smugness about wanting the clubs manager out instead of looking at the real issue.

So not change anything before Glazers and Ed go away? Why do we need new players then? To replace those who are not good enough. Well, that goes for a coaches too.
How is that hard to understand that for some fans? The same how you have bad, average, good or excellent players, the same applies for coaches. Our is not good enough and needs to be replaced. So in football term; he needs to be sold and new manager must be bought.
I just can't understand why it is normal to say that Lindelof, Lingard, James, De gea or whoever is not good and should be sold but God forbid if you say it for manager.

 

[PoTMS]

It's funny. The only people that would be "embarrassed" by the potential removal of Ole as manager are certain United fans, the ones of the ilk of Gary Neville. No one else would bat an eyelid as they would see it is an act of ambition. We lost out on Klopp and Guardiola by "standing by our managers". No one said Woodward/Glazers are not to blame either, but having Ole at the helm is akin to having a sword fight with one arm.

 

[Bastian]

All of those managers either weren't good enough or well passed their sell by date. Ole isn't good enough, I would rather he was coaching than managing.

He says he's not a coach, but a leader type manager.

Who would we replace him with? Would we back that manager? Would the coaching side of things be revamped and modernised? Who would our transfer targets be? What is the long-term plan?

Sacking Ole doesn't guarantee anything. It just means starting over again, again. And if that replacement doesn't work out, we'll have to start again after that.

I'm not totally convinced that we would make the right appointment after Ole if he were to go.

The sensible move would be to hire a manager known for improving his players and coaching them well into a team better than the sum of its parts.

But I do share the doubts about whether or not the board would finally make a sensible appointment.

 

[JB7]

So not change anything before Glazers and Ed go away? Why do we need new players then? To replace those who are not good enough. Well, that goes for a coaches too.
How is that hard to understand that for some fans? The same how you have bad, average, good or excellent players, the same applies for coaches. Our is not good enough and needs to be replaced. So in football term; he needs to be sold and new manager must be bought.
I just can't understand why it is normal to say that Lindelof, Lingard, James, De gea or whoever is not good and should be sold but God forbid if you say it for manager.

That is probably the stupidest thing I’ve ever read. I actually feel stupider for having read it all the way through.

 

[FujiVice]

I think Ole's got the right ideas in terms of the types of players he wants and the style of football he wants to play. I love him, too, so I wouldnt never say I'd want him sacked. But tactically he's very fecking clueless at times. He's done wonderfully to get us up to sixth last year, but I just cant imagine him ever winning something with us. Always seems to be to much for him to go that extra mile.

 

[Gazza]

He could be in the end, but this club has also made LVG & Mourinho look Cardiff/Molde level managers, at some point the penny has to drop where the issues are.

The players being recommended by Solksjaer are clearly the right type of players both in quality & mentality, more so than those of the previous managers, so he should be backed. We’ve all known how weak the squad is, the manager has been crying out for players and they’ve given him one player.

The situation for those two was exactly the same as it is for Ole: let down by the club, but also not up to the job themselves.

 

[NJM78]

I have never wanted Ole as manager but he is far from our biggest problem. Whole club is a fecking shit show.

 

[Cardboard elk]

Sickens me to read all the weakminded comments having a go at Ole after this defeat, when there has been NO preseason, NO chance to enhance fitness and coach the team into what he wants ahead of the season. So many experts, I would like to see them go head to head with Ole on these topics on coaching etc. and see who looked the bigger fool afterwards.

All the team needs now is some time, and just maybe some good transfer news.

People forget so fast. But like always, Ole and the team will hit back and the naysayers will have to say after this season as well, that the team is still getting better and getting better results.

 

[JB7]

The situation for those two was exactly the same as it is for Ole: let down by the club, but also not up to the job themselves.

Two proven world class managers weren’t up to the job? Who is then?

 

[devilish]

There’s absolutely no chance of that happening. Not that it’s not a decent shout (apart from SAF) but because Glazers would never let this become a primarily a football club. We might actually make some footballing decisions which aren’t necessarily good financial ones.

It is a football club though. Every mistake done by the bankers whether it's ridiculous salaries given or players bought on overpriced fees is hurting them big time. I'd say break the club in 2 halfs with Woodward taking over the financial part while Vds & Rangnick + SAF taking over the football part. Hence we'll have efficiency on both sides

 

[rotherham_red]

The team performance was poor today but I'm not overly concerned. We have had little to no preparation time and Ole just hasn't been backed in the transfer market as yet. We need to bring in at least two, ideally three players but I have very little faith that we will.

However, I still expect us to improve even without Sancho. If we're still like this by the time we play Spurs then I'll be concerned but for a first game, as bad as it was, I'm not going to throw my toys out the pram.

 

[Gazza]

Two proven world class managers weren’t up to the job? Who is then?

They weren't world class managers when they were at United. Both past it. Nobody told LVG to employ dreadfully ineffective tactics that sucked the soul out of the club. Nobody told Mourinho to self-immolate and tank the squad's morale. Don't think there is any evidence of either being a world class manager if one were basing it solely on their time at United.

 

[Trophy Room]

This is going to be a looong season.

 

[edgecutter]

What exactly is the point of sacking him if he's not gonna get the opportunity to bring the players he wants to the club?

If he had a Frank Lampardesque window sure but now?

Yes, the selection today was shit, but that is because the squad is fecking shit.

Blame the board, not Ole. We are stuck in an eternity loop until they decide to back the manager.

Lampard made do with what he had and managed to get top 4. Ole has spend a huge amount of money and most of the players he bought aren't good enough. Are we going to keep spending or are we going to get a manager that has a game plan.

 

[Fooza]

I can't see Arsenal doing as bad as they did last year, Tottenham strengthen and Chelsea will be up there. Ole won't be relying on these teams dropping points for us to get top 4 as easily this season as it was last season.

So he will end up getting sacked, unless we have a really good end of a window and he gets us playing (i.e. able to break down teams and rotating well). Also getting his substitutes timings right too.

 

[Paul_Scholes18]

It is possible to turn this around, but we need new fresh ideas in attack. Also pressing better as a team.

 

[JB7]

They weren't world class managers when they were at United. Both past it. Nobody told LVG to employ dreadfully ineffective tactics that sucked the soul out of the club. Nobody told Mourinho to self-immolate and tank the squad's morale. Don't think there is any evidence of either being a world class manager if one were basing it solely on their time at United.

Don’t disagree on either count however both were let down by the club by being denied players they wanted to bring in. Same appears to be happening with Ole. So who next? Who is up to the job?

 

[criticalanalysis]

This loss and every game from now until the end of the season is on Ole.

You have Fred, Matic, Bruno, VDB, Pogba and McT and the fact we still can't play out from the back or get exposed in midfield is not the problem of the board not buying Sancho. It's tactics and coaching not up to par.

Does Woodward and the Glazers deserve criticism? Yes.

Does Ole deserve criticism for not being able to get a team playing better than the sum of its parts after almost 2 year? Yes.

I am not an 'Ole Out', I am a 'I want Utd to do fecking well'.

 

[Gazza]

Don’t disagree on either count however both were let down by the club by being denied players they wanted to bring in. Same appears to be happening with Ole. So who next? Who is up to the job?

I mean, all I said was that it was a combination of the club letting them down but also not being up to the job themselves. I don't think that is up for debate, really? In terms of who is up to the job, certainly managers with a discernible and progressive way of playing, and they surely do exist, would be a great start.

 

[Rhyme Animal]

That would be like starting a thread asking if it would have been worth it snuffing out Hitler as a baby.

Would you murder baby Hitler?

I’d rip his fecking head clean off and boot out the window.

It wouldn't stop the rise of Nazism / National Socialism... there'd just be another face on the tin.

And likewise, sacking Woodward would still leave the same owners.

Saying that, Woodward should've obviously been sacked from his current position about 10 times by now. Genuinely.

 

[NJM78]

We are not getting top 4. Redcafe admin can ban me for a year if I'm wrong. Didn't believe it last year but we sneaked it, it won't happen again this season. I have never been so sure and that was prior to todays game.

I feel it will be the end of Ole.

 

[-Supreme-]

McT isn't a CDM and James isn't a right winger, his insistence on playing his favourites and not learning from his mistakes is very worrying to say the least.

 

[Rhyme Animal]

Sickens me to read all the weakminded comments having a go at Ole after this defeat, when there has been NO preseason, NO chance to enhance fitness and coach the team into what he wants ahead of the season. So many experts, I would like to see them go head to head with Ole on these topics on coaching etc. and see who looked the bigger fool afterwards.

All the team needs now is some time, and just maybe some good transfer news.

People forget so fast. But like always, Ole and the team will hit back and the naysayers will have to say after this season as well, that the team is still getting better and getting better results.

Wow...

Have United had a different preseason than any other PL team?

Indeed, wouldn't Utd normally be off doing promo tours anyway...? Shouldn't this actually be better Utd than usual?

 

[Leftback99]

Wow...

Have United had a different preseason than any other PL team?

Indeed, wouldn't Utd normally be off doing promo tours anyway...? Shouldn't this actually be better Utd than usual?

Well yes. This was Palace's 7th game since they started training the day after we lost to Sevilla.

 

[devilish]

When you put it like that and compare it to what we have in place, its makes a compelling case. (though I doubt SAF is physically upto that task)
The football side of our 'business' is comically short of know how and experience.

For this to work then I think Sir Alex is needed for success and I explain why. If lets say we do what I said with VDS as CEO, Rangnick as DOF and Ole as manager then we've got a bit of an issue here

a- We've got a CEO who understand the club but whom Ole sees as his junior having played with United at a later stage then he did.
b- We've got an experienced DOF with experiences as manager (thus he understand that side of the game). Unfortunately he had never worked at a top club, he had never worked at Manchester United and he'll be joining a top club who doesn't really know what a DOF is
c- We have Ole who suddenly find himself with overheads no other manager at United had before. That would hurt anyone.

Sir Alex is therefore needed at least for 1 year. He knows VDS and Ole, he covered the DOF role with us (it was part of his job) and he understand the business side of the club having been there since it started becoming important. If Ole comes up he asks this EPL proven player for 100m and there's another player whose equally good but cost 50m then he might take offence that this new guy from Germany said no. That's what happened with AC Milan were Rangnick started to push his philosophy irking Boban and Maldini in the process. However Ole would probably listen to Sir Alex.

 

[JB7]

Wow...

Have United had a different preseason than any other PL team?

Indeed, wouldn't Utd normally be off doing promo tours anyway...? Shouldn't this actually be better Utd than usual?

Yes, they have had a massively different pre season to almost every other team in the league. As in, we’ve not had one.

 

[Redfrog]

We don't spend a lot anymore. All people saying we spent a lot last summer need to remember that Maguire was brought with Lukaku money. We are about spending 60 millions every summer windows. We brought Bruno in the winter so I'm afraid we will not buy more players or they will be very cheap and the board want to sell to make some money as well.

I'm liking the idea about rebulding, but I just think it is a convenient excuse for the board to not spend money. Top 4 is good enough for them to insure the money is rolling. Ole is a good coach for them because he won't complain about that as well.

The board is really disgusting because they just set up Ole to fail. They won't back him and I believe we are too light to make top 4 now some team have bought some players and are looking better.

Doesn't matter the manager, we are trapped where we are : making top 4 every 2 or 3 years, battling with Arsenal and Tottenham and maybe even Everton and Wolves for the last place available.

Ole or not doesn't matter until the Glazers are owning the club. Even if we recruted SAF now he will be sacked after 2 or 3 seasons because the board has no vision, no ambition and no skills.

Having Woodward as the CEO is the nail in the coffin. So incompetent, not a football man, no vision, out of depth at every level but still in charge after so many years of failures.

 

[edgecutter]

The Glazers and Woodward are issues


But why is it such an a big deal to say that Ole is also a issue?

 

[Crashoutcassius]

It is possible to turn this around, but we need new fresh ideas in attack. Also pressing better as a team.

glad that it is possible to turn around a 1 loss season

 

[SwedishFish]

Lampard made do with what he had and managed to get top 4. Ole has spend a huge amount of money and most of the players he bought aren't good enough. Are we going to keep spending or are we going to get a manager that has a game plan.

He didn't "make due" with what he had. He had Pulisic coming in to replace Hazard and a loan of Kovacic. I'm talking about this window.

If you want to keep the same bloody cycle that we had with Van Gaal, Mourinho, Moyes going then be my guest but then you are part of the problem.

Back the manager in the market and then judge him.

 

[Crashoutcassius]

The Glazers and Woodward are issues


But why is it such an a big deal to say that Ole is also a issue?

I think since we had title winning form / top of table since christmas, the most clean sheets in the top 5 leagues, and generally a much improved record of signings, fan had thought we should try to build on it rather than just sacking the manager after a single loss and moving to next journeyman manager

 

[criticalanalysis]

i don't usually post knee jerk comments but if this kind of disjointed displays continues and Poch still doesn't have a job..

 

[anant]

1st defeat in 15 league games and Ole is not the right man! Bravo

 

[Kurton]

Ole might just have us scraping 4th if we get Sancho, else there is no chance of top 4. And in the meanwhile football is going to be a real shite show for most of the season. I'm bracing myself for the season.

 

[rotherham_red]

Sickens me to read all the weakminded comments having a go at Ole after this defeat, when there has been NO preseason, NO chance to enhance fitness and coach the team into what he wants ahead of the season. So many experts, I would like to see them go head to head with Ole on these topics on coaching etc. and see who looked the bigger fool afterwards.

All the team needs now is some time, and just maybe some good transfer news.

People forget so fast. But like always, Ole and the team will hit back and the naysayers will have to say after this season as well, that the team is still getting better and getting better results.

Well said

 

[Massive Spanner]

I can't wait to see City perform just as terribly as us on Monday because they had no pre season either.

 

[Paul_Scholes18]

Also with the excuse of too little rest. Bayern had one week less rest than us and they won 8-0 looking very fresh.
It is possible to keep up with the fitness for that time.

 

[Bastian]

1st defeat in 15 league games and Ole is not the right man! Bravo

Last season is finished. 1 match played, 1 loss.

 

[Igor Drefljak]

So it's nailed on City will lose away to a better team on Monday.

Cool, *logs into bet365*

Thanks guys