So.. who shall we replace him with?? Just give me your honest opinion.
Would you sack or keep Ole? (Poll reopened)
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Jesus Christ some of you need to take a look in the mirror, what an embarrassment that this thread is open on day 1 of the fecking season.
I am blaming Ed. Ole is absolute disaster of the manager but Ed hired him. And Ed could have sacked him a long time ago. And who can sack him now. While there is time to not ruining another season.
We gifted them the goals with defensive mistakes. Palace weren't that good, they just defended really well. And with a rotated side, we should have been able to grind out a result, but a lot of things went against us. If I were to find fault in Ole today it would be gambling on Pogba instead of VdB who should be fitter and sharper. But even he can't prevent Lindelofs errors.
This thread has been shocking for months and continues to be so.
Almost every goal scored in football can attributed to defensive mistakes.
We were shocking today. We didn't dominate that game at all.
Hopefully it was because our players weren't match fit.
He was off the pace start of last season because he wasn’t backed properly. We needed a new striker and creative player and for neither. All our signings seem to be 12 - 18 months after we require them.
He needs to be held accountable obviously, but breaking low blocks down is more on players rather than the manager. All a manager can do is
a. instruct more players up front, and we did have most of our players in the opposition half.
b. His second job is to instruct players to make that run - we did see some runs - not sufficient (agreed), but it seemed that the players had trained on that part as well - There was a McT to Martial failed pass, Greenwood losing his marker to get that header, Bruno's long ball for Pog, etc.
c. Instructing his players to take that risk and pass the ball forward - again, it didn't seem like we were hesitent on pulling the trigger here as well. And remember In all the above points, I'm talking about quantity as that's what a manager can control.
But for the system to be successful, the quality of the final pass was lacking - there was a lack of intelligent runs behind the players, there was lack of concentration at times and of course there was some poor decision making as well. All that lies on the players and not the manager.
Fair enough but that doesn’t wash. Since February we’ve been one of the top teams, nobody is going to hit a perfect level of performance every game.
New season and nothing new.
Only one new player VDB = a breath of fresh air... two if you want to insist on including Dean. New players usually brought in the energy and competitiveness so the squad tend to be better. Last season, all our transfers hit top form immediately after joining, only dwindled down in later months. Not a coincidence we only had one new player... and he's the only one that play well in general.
The recent match performance is just an extension of last season.
Same ole same ole.
So I'm seeing the excuses cards have been dished out already.
1. We lack fitness... meaning our fitness coaching is poor.
2. Players we played lack fitness... then why the heck Ole pick unfit players.
3. We don't have quality in depth... that's rubbish. The quality players were benched (Greenwood, AWB) or left out (Matic).
Tough to trust a manager nor coaches that doesn't seem to be improving or learning their own mistakes/weaknesses.
Only one new player VDB = a breath of fresh air... two if you want to insist on including Dean. New players usually brought in the energy and competitiveness so the squad tend to be better. Last season, all our transfers hit top form immediately after joining, only dwindled down in later months. Not a coincidence we only had one new player... and he's the only one that play well in general.
The recent match performance is just an extension of last season.
- Rely on individuals.
- Need some players to hit top form/purple patch so they can carry the team... none at the moment.
- Shape/structure still neglected.
- Fitness is still shockingly poor standard in comparison to other teams.
- questionable decisions makings by manager.
- late substitutions.
- players motivations remain questionable.
- coaching still no improvements.
- attacking is still haphazard... a mess. And predictable vs low blocks.
- players chemistry doesn't look improving... as if they never play with each other before.
- still don't know how to deal with high press comfortably.
- still clueless in how to break low blocks with good stability and composure, no Matic = no party.
- players (the usual suspects) still perform like how they normally perform.
- also the same stubborn 4231 system.
Same ole same ole.
So I'm seeing the excuses cards have been dished out already.
1. We lack fitness... meaning our fitness coaching is poor.
2. Players we played lack fitness... then why the heck Ole pick unfit players.
3. We don't have quality in depth... that's rubbish. The quality players were benched (Greenwood, AWB) or left out (Matic).
Tough to trust a manager nor coaches that doesn't seem to be improving or learning their own mistakes/weaknesses.
How could he have gotten the squad fit given the circumstances of last 3 months? Pleas answer that.
It will at the very least be a step in the right direction.
The ball was firmly in their half most of the game. They had an offside goal rightfully chalked off and a very soft penalty, the match highlights flattered them.
Our signings over the past 7 years CLEARLY show that Woodward doesn't understand a thing about signing talented players for the long term for this club.
Ole in regards to transfers has atleast shown he asks for decent players to be signed.
Ole should have been backed with the LB, CB and RW that he asked for.
Woodward is the root cause of this and changing managers before removing him from any decision making wouldn't change a thing.
Ole in regards to transfers has atleast shown he asks for decent players to be signed.
Ole should have been backed with the LB, CB and RW that he asked for.
Woodward is the root cause of this and changing managers before removing him from any decision making wouldn't change a thing.
You should have just typed OleOut
All week Ole was saying Pogba was not fully fit but he would play some part. Why the hell he did not start DVB instead. Surely he looked a lot sharper at training than Pogba. Would have been a different game if he did. Same with Rashford. Don't tell me rashford is burning up the training track because he is not taking it out on the pitch. I am an Ole fan but he is starting to lose me.
Another one in the pantheon of dumb posts that contribute nothing to this thread. I have decided to block these one-liner wiseasses.
I watched the game my friend, not match highlights. We didn't dominate shit, just pointless possession. We're lucky Ayew played for them
Nothing deserves to be contributed to the thread because it shouldn’t exist unless it’s to collect and block the stupidest posters on the forum.
Make sure you cc Ole and Woodward. Am sure they’ll be bothered.
That was shockingly bad. And it cost me £800 
Wouldn't you say his decisions makings and abilities of his coaching affected the players performance significantly?
The system does rely on individuals so basically pouring most of the responsibilities on the players.
Ole's job are these no?
1. to help them prepare in trainings vs low blocks (doesn't look sufficient)
2. give them enough quality players most useful vs low blocks (he left out Matic totally and Greenwood for 45 mins)
3. provide them a better system so they can break it better (not a good effective system)
The intent to help the players are there clearly, which is good.
But unfortunately not the quality.
We can't win matches without possession, and we can't draw out a team that has the lead and doesn't want to come out. I'd be worried if we couldn't control the game.
It's a forum and point of the thread to discuss whether Ole should be in job or not. Whats up with smartass answer?If people had been saying these things during the mid-season break you lot would've been "Give him a fecking pre-season and judge him on the actual games!!" Then when the games come people are not allowed to be criticalAll you Ole outers pop up every time we have a bad game.
It’s honestly a joke at this point
It’s not his fault the team looked sluggish.
His only fault was starting Lindelof. But in truth both CBs played garbage.
Where's the pre-seasonIf people had been saying these things during the mid-season break you lot would've been "Give him a fecking pre-season and judge him on the actual games!!" Then when the games come people are not allowed to be critical
I'm one of the harshest critics of Ole, and I don't blame the loss on him. Our board is just rotten to the core.
Either Woodward and the Glazers feck off or we'll be stuck in this perpetual state of mediocrity as long as they're here.
Oh, and just for the laughs, expect Woodward to place a bid for Sancho and Dortmund telling us to piss off. Same crap, different season.
Either Woodward and the Glazers feck off or we'll be stuck in this perpetual state of mediocrity as long as they're here.
Oh, and just for the laughs, expect Woodward to place a bid for Sancho and Dortmund telling us to piss off. Same crap, different season.
We shouldn't need a new RW, CB and a LB to beat Palace at home. Other than Zaha and whoever their right back is, none of their players would get into our team. We were playing an average team today at home and got very well beaten. Ole has to accept some responsibility now.
I was surprised when I saw the possession stats but it surely didn't feel like we had the ball that much, especially in the 1st half when the players kept gifting every other pass to Palace.
Do you not think that Ole had any combination of 11 Manchester United players that, with the right system, had any chance of beating Crystal Palace today?
I'm all for bashing the board (and rightfully so), but to suggest that there was no combination of players and/or tactics that could've beaten Palace today is a huge exaggeration.
Why can it never be both that both the board and the manager are performing below par? Why does it have to be one or the other?
Glazers and Woodward are a problem no doubt. That doesn't excuse the fact that Ole can't even beat a significantly lesser talented team at home.
The players were miles away from fitness. Any Premier League team two weeks into their pre season program would struggle to beat a fully fit Premier League team.
Rather than reopening voting in this thread we should start a new thread with a poll titled as "Would you sack or keep Woodword?"
Beating smaller teams in 99% of the cases comes down to the players unless the coach is making them play some really passive kind of football (like LVG was). Eventually breaking low blocks is on the players to pass accurately and move in spaces. Unfortunately, while off the ball running needs to be training, the quality of ball comes down to the players.
And, I don't think he has an issue with breaking low blocks since Bruno has come in. People forget how we were blowing teams out of the park just a couple of months ago. This performance was more on the players being rusty and not match fit.
Whose fault is that, even LVG had the foresight to change our pre-season schedule to fit his needs.
Pointless thread as that will be a 100% Woodword out. This thread at least provides some info.
I'm trying to give him the benefit of the doubt based on where we placed last season (honestly, I don't know why I'm doing this based on what I saw during the start and midway through last season). If it were up to me, I'd get rid of both the board and Ole and look for better alternatives.
You'd be surprised, we have a few woody/glazer fan bois around.
There is a thread to discuss the sacking of a manager after finishing 3rd last season and after 1 game of a new season. Yeah it’s a stupid thread.
Ah right, it’s Oles fault that we finished our season 3 weeks later than the rest of the league & there was a 10 day international break when we were supposed to be starting pre season? I suppose he just shouldn’t have let the players have any time off whatsoever and then banned the players meeting up with their countries?
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