three muslim terrorists shot by the anti terrorist police unit on canary wharf was news worthy on the morning of 7th july 2005, in conection with the tube and bus bombings, but not afterwards...wtf?
X-File 02 - Prophecies, Nostradamus to the Mayans and all that lies in between.
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik (@Rood) was joined by comedian Ali Woods to look back at the best and worst moments of a rollercoaster season with the annual United Hour Awards.
Has Ten Hag been sacked yet? We're not sure and we hope not, but it's looking more likely as the days pass.
Who should replace him and why is it taking so long to make a decision?
Because perhaps "old news" is not good news and doesn't sell papers?
i meant from dinnertime onwards.. there bodies would have still been warm!
The first sentence is just a collection of words. Quantum mechanics has nothing to do with the mind. We use our minds to think about it, but that does not say much.
Why nonsense, because we are talking about a research field which has not been able to identify one clear, repeatable phenomena in over 50 years. Not one! I can not even describe how lame this is.
THIS, however, is great... I love the debunking of silly... it's like a forum version of Bullsh!t
THIS, however, is great... I love the debunking of silly... it's like a forum version of Bullsh!t
Unfortunately, its also without the naked girls.
Just how many threads do you plan to invade in a vain attempt to peddle this particular tale of irrelevant tripe?
I very much doubt quantum effects are influential in the computational system of the brain. I think it much more likely that the computation takes place at the classical phycis level of molecules and chemicals.
I'm completely lost by this. You seem to be saying that DoctorEvil's succinct and intelligent post is invalid because he didn't expand his made up example prophecy into a full Quantrain, as Nostradamus did. In essence, "yeah but Nostradamus wrote more stuff and structured it differently so your wrong".
This is a ludicrous argument. He wasn't trying to produce an accurate faux- Nostradamas prophecy, he was using it to illustrate a point. The point being the way people like you fervently clutch at the most obscure similarities or parrales in them to use as Proof they're genuine. It's no more genuine than Cold Calling.
Just like cold calling, everything he said was deliberately vague and open to interpretation. Generally open to interpretation by people who minds are NOT open, but soo closed to the possibility of them being wrong that they'll clutch at the most ridiculous straws.
Take, for example, his supposed prophesy on 9/11
"In the City of God there will be a great thunder, Two brothers torn apart by Chaos, while the fortress endures, the great leader will succumb",
The third big war will begin when the big city is burning"
- Nostradamus 1654
1st - City of God - New York has never been know by this name. In fact it's a completely innapropriate name for NY. Rio Maybe, Jerusalem?..but NOT NY. Thats conveniently ignored.
2nd - Brothers torn apart - A phrase that could conceiveably be attributed to two people, two countries, two of anything infact, being torn apart (which is also a vague phrase with no meaning regarding the Twin Towers) but unsurprisingly it's obviously the Twin Towers maaaan.
3rd. - The Great Leader will succumb - Which great leader. Bush? He didn't succumb, he was re-elected. Saddam? A Great Leader? Really? Also in any war a leader will succumb, almost inevitably, he's hardly putting his neck on the line.
4th - The 3rd great war will begin while the city is burning - Didn't happen. Has Yet to happen I should say. I wouldn't consider the War in Iraq 'the 3rd Big one'. Would you? It also depends massivley on what you consider BIG wars. If he had said the 7th Big war people would have looked for 6 relatively major wars (of which there are thousands) and used them as evidence
Its just utter Rubbish and furthermore, completely useless unless you can decipher ones that have yet to happen. Whats the point in predicting things if your prediction is only confirmed as true once it's happened?? It's absolutely pointless. And thats why it's obscure, so it can never be concretely dissproven and idiots like you can run around and continue his legend forever more
Are you sure old Nossa actually wrote that one? I thought it was bogus. Still, bunch of hookum anyway.
Ok lets move away from Nostradamus ...
How about the idea of predicting the future in general? Astrology? Numerology?
How about the idea of predicting the future in general? Astrology? Numerology?
Having done a little bit more research - it IS a bogus - My mistake
In fact, rather than just being a fake, it's infact, ironically, a quadrain invented by a student in an essay for the purposes of showing how easily they can be interpreted to mean anything....
In a wierd way it's exactly what the boy rooney was asking for from DocEvil, only delivered by me, mistakenly, as a genuine verse!!!! My analysis still stands in terms of how the argument is structured around vague statements. But yeah, dropped the ball on that one...bloody internet!
I'll drag up a real one in a bit and deconstruct that! Again, perhaps old news doesn't sell?
I predcit that RooneyGR8 will start another conspiracy theory thread in the Caf that is red 2009 years and 3 months after they nailed some bloke to a cross for saying it might be good to be nice to each other for a change.
Check back in March and be in awe of my predictive invincibility.
You fool! There's no way you can know that! Prediction, schmediction!
You need detractors for your claim to appear more magical when it actually occurs
I think the real one mentions "New City" "Carved Mountains" and being "cast into the vat, and being forced to drink poisoned water"(not verbatim) After the attack the net was flooded with false contrains. The above was shown to a group of students one group waas asked was it a fair prediction of 911, the other was it a fair prediction of the London blitz, funnilly enough it seemed to suit both perfectly.....HMMMMM.Having done a little bit more research - it IS a bogus - My mistake
In fact, rather than just being a fake, it's infact, ironically, a quadrain invented by a student in an essay for the purposes of showing how easily they can be interpreted to mean anything....
My analysis still stands in terms of how the argument is structured around vague statements. But yeah, dropped the ball on that one...bloody internet!
So you nonbeliever types dont take an interest in the science of astrology?
I don't know how to break this to you, but Astrology is not a science.
Science?
One can only believe in predicting future if they believe in fate or destiny, meaning a person's life story is already set in stone and accessible by some hocus-pocus. This violates the principle of free will.
I hope that's a joke.
In general I agree with the sceptics on here
However, there are some things in Nostradamus that just seem too coincidental not to be true. I've heard it said he got the Great Fire of London and death of Napoleon bang on, and in particular this prediction (Century 5, Quatrain 63) is too uncannily accurate not to be taken seriously:
In the year of our Lord 2006
The stout Northern Protector of Nets
Will lose an eyebrow to treacherous teeth
In a curry house, in Halifax.
(Nostradamus, Century 5, Quatrain 63)
However, there are some things in Nostradamus that just seem too coincidental not to be true. I've heard it said he got the Great Fire of London and death of Napoleon bang on, and in particular this prediction (Century 5, Quatrain 63) is too uncannily accurate not to be taken seriously:
In the year of our Lord 2006
The stout Northern Protector of Nets
Will lose an eyebrow to treacherous teeth
In a curry house, in Halifax.
(Nostradamus, Century 5, Quatrain 63)
Well I deliberately made the 'science' comment to try and stimulate some debate but most of you lot were too boring to rise to it
I dont agree with this as these are not concepts that are as clear cut as your logic dictates.
One can only believe in predicting future if they believe in fate or destiny, meaning a person's life story is already set in stone and accessible by some hocus-pocus. This violates the principle of free will.
Firstly, astrology is not just about predicting the future (although I know that this thread is about that so I will try not to go too far off topic). The more interesting part for me relates to how people born at similar times may exhibit common personality traits.
Secondly, a belief in concepts like fate or destiny does not automatically mean that everything is 'set in stone'. For example, it could be that only certain things are predestined or, on a lesser level, that one path is more likely but not certain and can still be changed if a strong decision is made by the individual.
Lastly, fate/destiny also do not necessarily violate the concept of 'free will' - as already mentioned, it could be a certain path in life is more likely but can still be changed by a strong individual making certain decisions.
Doesn't rhyme, think you might have been fooled on that one.
I was watching a documentary on the History Channel earlier in the week about this, and they had on there a 21st Century version of this.
A computer programme that scanned the internet and gathered vast amounts of data, it's original use was to assist in handling financial risk for companies, but it allegedly predicted 9/11.
Mind you, there has to be question of whether its conclusions are tainted by existing predictions of Nostradamus, Mayans e.t.c.
Brits might be more interested in the prophecies of Merlin, apparently not just Arthur's wizard and a BBC drama series. He supposedly speaks of 20,000 dead in London, a possible nuclear meltdown in western England, oh and then he gets to an apocalyptic even that will kill half the globe's population.
A computer programme that scanned the internet and gathered vast amounts of data, it's original use was to assist in handling financial risk for companies, but it allegedly predicted 9/11.
Mind you, there has to be question of whether its conclusions are tainted by existing predictions of Nostradamus, Mayans e.t.c.
Brits might be more interested in the prophecies of Merlin, apparently not just Arthur's wizard and a BBC drama series. He supposedly speaks of 20,000 dead in London, a possible nuclear meltdown in western England, oh and then he gets to an apocalyptic even that will kill half the globe's population.
The Bible Code is the biggest load of horseshit ever.
I just wanted to put that out there.
I just wanted to put that out there.
I think that sums this stuff up admirably.
That's all in theory only or I should stay superstition.Well I deliberately made the 'science' comment to try and stimulate some debate but most of you lot were too boring to rise to it
I dont agree with this as these are not concepts that are as clear cut as your logic dictates.
Firstly, astrology is not just about predicting the future (although I know that this thread is about that so I will try not to go too far off topic). The more interesting part for me relates to how people born at similar times may exhibit common personality traits.
Secondly, a belief in concepts like fate or destiny does not automatically mean that everything is 'set in stone'. For example, it could be that only certain things are predestined or, on a lesser level, that one path is more likely but not certain and can still be changed if a strong decision is made by the individual.
Lastly, fate/destiny also do not necessarily violate the concept of 'free will' - as already mentioned, it could be a certain path in life is more likely but can still be changed by a strong individual making certain decisions.
And it very much violates the concept of free-will if even some part of your life is pre-destined to turn out some way.
I practice alchemy.
Astrology.
If that were the case (and our survey says it isn't) then it would much more likely be explained by the effects of the weather on neonates than having something in Uranus.
But the weather theory wouldnt explain any correlations between people of different geographic locations where the weather is different.
There are scientific studies that have shown correlations between the position of planets and people's professions.
Most people associate astrology with the ridiculous horoscope nonsense that is printed in the newspapers, which is a shame as there is a lot more to it.
There aren't actually. Gauquelin's work wasn't peer reviewed or published in a peer reviewed journal and when examined further no statistical correlation between Mars and occupation was shown. Or to put it another way "Its bollocks".
It also occurred to me that relative age to one's peers (i.e. classmates in the same school year) could have a small influence. For example, people born in September and October will be at an advantage during their early school years in comparison to pupils born in July or August. I could envisage it being quite a pronounced difference in the first year or two of school.
I can't imagine it is likely to have any long term influence though.
I think that factor has been shown to be a positive influence on both educational and sporting achievement longer term as well.
I think I remember reading a study that showed a disproportionate number of professional footballers were born in the two months at the end of the cut-off for youth team segregation by age. In other words, if the league were for kids 7-9, those who aged 7 years 11 months old began competition more physically developed than those aged 7 years 0 months. They this began play with an advantage in skill that convinced them that this was an activity they enjoyed, and were also good at. They thus were more likely to continue to pursue the sport, and to continue to excel.
Ah, here we go, the relative age effect. For example of footballers representing their country at UEFA U-16 events, 60% were born in January, 42% in February, but only 4% in Novermber, 3% in December.
Interestingly the stuff I saw was about U16 kids in England playing in leagues in which the age qualification started from 31 August. Care to guess which two months had the bulk of successful players?
I've got $1 on September/October. And here's an article about this effect in education.
You'd be richer Mr High Roller. All the papers seems to be chargeable. You do realise that it is really because Virgo and Libra are good signs for footballers?
Link?
This was actually the exact research i was reffering to ...
"The Mars effect hypothesis was first published by the French psychologist Michel Gauquelin in 1955. It says that Mars occupies certain positions in the sky more often at the birth of sports champions than at the birth of ordinary people. More precisely, the celestial path along which Mars travels from rising to setting is divided into six equal parts, called sectors. Sector 1 starts where Mars rises; sector 4 starts when Mars crosses the north-south meridian (the mid-heaven); and sector 6 ends with Mars setting on the horizon. The key sectors are sectors 1 and 4. The time that Mars is below the horizon is similarly divided into sectors 7 through 12. Gauquelin claimed that among outstanding sports champions the Mars rate - percentage born in key sectors - was not around the base rate of the population at large, namely 17 percent, but rather more like 22 percent.
Gauquelin had more such hypotheses. They all involved sectors 1 and 4 and various combinations of planets and professions (note A). If these findings could be reliably reproduced, then they might herald a major overhaul of science, even though they were devoid of any practical importance whatsoever.
German astrologer Peter Niehenke (1994) has called these planetary effects invaluable scientific facts, quoting the German psychologist Suitbert Ertel, who stated that Gauquelin's findings are just like any other empirico-theoretical scientific structure that has been proved true in history. The British psychologist Hans Jürgen Eysenck thought that Gauquelin's results are the only reason not to reject astrology completely (Gauquelin 1988). Astrologer Robert Hand has stated that the Gauquelin findings are 'one of the strongest threats to mechanist-materialism in existence' (Mann 1987), and A. Mather is on record with, 'It is probably not putting it too strongly to say that everything hangs on it' (Mather 1979). "