Redcy
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Faustino Asprilla - Used to love him at Parma on gazzetta, but that masked how inconsistent he was
He is probably not in the top 20 dutch player of all time.Nah, I do not, but top 20 in the EPL, yes, quite easily.
But VanPersie being better than him is a WUM, c'mon.
Bergkamp is massively overrated. Having a nice style of play doesn't make a player amongst the best. It's a theme that has always irked me. I know he is not a goalscorer and his assists are what matter more, but I still think Bergkamp's influence on a game, particularly in the later stages of his career have been overrated overtime. For starters, he wasn't a key feature of the Arsenal teams of 2001 to 2005, for large portions of those runs, he was benched for Wiltord or Reyes. Henry, Pires, Vieira and Campbell were the folcrum of that team, yet people like to act nowadays like Bergkamp was irreplacable, which wasn't true. His form in 98 was great, but like many aesthetically pleasing players, his influence was greatly overstated. Even in the run from 97 to 99, that arsenal team's attack was historically unproductive, with their defence being responsible for their league positions.87 goals in 315 PL appearances. Meh.
Like I said, good player but not a great, hence ‘overrated’.
As for the fear of flying thing, I think we have to treat that similarly to if he was really injury prone. What use is a player if he can’t even get on the pitch?
No, top 20 of all time. And no, Van Persie sure as hell wasn't a better player.Yeah, top 20 of all time Arsenal players.
Van Persie was a better player than Bergkamp.
No it isn't insane at all.You really think Dennis Bergkamp is one of the 20 greatest footballers of all time?
That’s insane.
Yeah, Bergkamp was the original hipster footballer. Style over substance.In fairness I will get him into the top 20 EPL strikers, but there are plenty above him, often gets quoted in there because people loved his style, and he got 90 assists in 315 games, on top 10 lists you see him and then people like Cole, Owen, Fowler all ignored for a striker who netted 85 in 315
Did you overrate him?Bergkamp was a good player but he's so overrated by many, had a very poor record against United.
Who was better than him?Thierry Henry, no chance was he best prem league player ever, he went to Barcelona and was anonymous.
He definitely isn't in his own class with nobody close, but he is in that top class for sure. Don't forget that Ronaldo was a top 3 player in the world for 3 years at United, after the 3 years of developing. Whatever conversation for best ever Prem player there is, Ronaldo is part of it and arguably the favourite for it.Who was better than him?
He's in his own class for me. Nobody comes close.
Rooney absolutely would be in the top 20 EPL strikers list. With Bergkamp.Yeah, Bergkamp was the original hipster footballer. Style over substance.
For a glimpse of just how overrated Bergkamp is, compare him to Wayne Rooney... Rooney was obviously a far superior player, but no would dream of putting him on an all time top 20 players list.
He scored 174 in just 8 years in the PL, and about 100 of those could be in the conversation for the best goals in PL history. I might be exaggerating, but it felt like he scored a worldie every week. For comparison, Rooney, another in the conversation for best player scored less than 30 goals more in almost double the time. To be fair, Henry left the league before he could decline like Rooney did, but it highlights how crazy his record was.He definitely isn't in his own class with nobody close, but he is in that top class for sure. Don't forget that Ronaldo was a top 3 player in the world for 3 years at United, after the 3 years of developing. Whatever conversation for best ever Prem player there is, Ronaldo is part of it and arguably the favourite for it.
Not PL strikers - obviously Rooney’s in the top two or three. Some people are claiming, ridiculously, that Bergkamp is in the top 20 greatest footballers of all time.Rooney absolutely would be in the top 20 EPL strikers list. With Bergkamp.
Verratti
Has he really done anything in his career?
I swear every time there is an important match he is injured (well typically apart from their last game against us).Verrati is a good shout he's done nothing of significance.
Ole was good enough to play right midfield and replace peak David Beckham. I'd say he falls on the underrated side of things.Ole.
He was very good at reading the game, and making the right choices when coming off the bench and everyone was tired, but honestly he was just a Greenwood light.
I think he will be a far better manager than player.
Yeah everytime he is on the pitch aswell he is supposed to be this dominant player we are supposed to be scared of but he has never done anything for PSG or Italy in my opinion.I swear every time there is an important match he is injured (well typically apart from their last game against us).
What are the parameters for this though because when I have seen Verratti play, he's almost always been class?Verrati is a good shout he's done nothing of significance.
who in their right mind rates Carragher let alone overrates him?What are the parameters for this though because when I have seen Verratti play, he's almost always been class?
For me it'd be someone like Carragher
Someone’s just suggested Gerrard, so we’ve now gone way beyond.Can’t help but think a lot of people have misunderstood the point of this thread
Different type of player though. Bergkamp’s touch and hold up play were more polished and consistent. His threaded passing through defences was more incisive. In contrast, young Rooney was a more explosive ball carrier and more powerful finisher.Yeah, Bergkamp was the original hipster footballer. Style over substance.
For a glimpse of just how overrated Bergkamp is, compare him to Wayne Rooney... Rooney was obviously a far superior player, but no would dream of putting him on an all time top 20 players list.
He always makes best ever PL CB lists, I always thought he was basically Demichellis with a scouse accentwho in their right mind rates Carragher let alone overrates him?
Bergkamp is not even in the top 100 players of all time.Not PL strikers - obviously Rooney’s in the top two or three. Some people are claiming, ridiculously, that Bergkamp is in the top 20 greatest footballers of all time.
My top ten below (most overrated 1st!), with honourable mentions to Javier Hernandez & Sean Wright Phillips, lol!
1. Falcao
2. Pirlo
3. Pogba
4. Neymar
5. Veron
6. Mcmanaman
7. Griezmann
8. Anelka
9. Sterling
10. Martial
Cant be having Neymar and Veron in there man... wow.My top ten below (most overrated 1st!), with honourable mentions to Javier Hernandez & Sean Wright Phillips, lol!
1. Falcao
2. Pirlo
3. Pogba
4. Neymar
5. Veron
6. Mcmanaman
7. Griezmann
8. Anelka
9. Sterling
10. Martial