I wanna know who voted for Jose. Name and shame please.
Your preference for the next Manager?
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik @Rood and Imran @Annihilate Now! start with the good news by celebrating Manchester United Women's emphatic FA Cup win over Spurs at Wembley and the future of manager Marc Skinner.
Then it's the bad news and the ever worsening form of our Men with losses to Arsenal and Palace.
Finally the main debate - ETH Out now or keep him until the end of the season - if not longer. Are you Team Nik or Team Imran?
I voted for Mourinho at the time as I simply wanted an impact manager who would keep us challenging on all fronts short-term. Having thought it through, I made the wrong vote.
He'd have walked here if we'd asked him to. We didn't, so he went back to his comfort zone.
i voted Mou with Ole....
all the ifs all the buts...
all the ifs all the buts...
If only the club did the sensible thing and appointed Mourinho. 
I don't remember posting this. I hate Jose
...and Benitez, although they were probably wumming
If only the club did the sensible thing and appointed Mourinho.
And have him feck off after 3 years, neglecting youth, leaving us in the same position as we are now
Only with a few more league titles, maybe a champions league, and without the shadow of Sir Alex hanging over the next manager. It would have been better to bring in somebody like him to help steady the ship rather then go straight for the long term option IMO.And have him feck off after 3 years, neglecting youth, leaving us in the same position as we are now
Silly vote seeing as Ole is a manager now, not an assistant.
Klopp was the clear choice for me and even in hindsight he'd have clearly been a better choice than Moyes. Has a record of winning, has a good record in bringing players through, he's had longevity in his jobs and his teams play "Manchester United football".
I just think SAF's retirement came too soon. Maybe if SAF had stayed for a couple more years he'd have been more open to leave Dortmund.
I just think SAF's retirement came too soon. Maybe if SAF had stayed for a couple more years he'd have been more open to leave Dortmund.
With a couple of league titles and a Champions League.And have him feck off after 3 years, neglecting youth, leaving us in the same position as we are now
So??
And then there is absolutely no guarantee at all that he would have left us after 3 years. He left Porto but everybody would have done so (it isn't that SAF stayed at Aberdeen forever), he was sacked from Chelsea and Madrid and he left Inter. If he came here, for what he would have left us. Possibly Portugal after a decade. He had achieved anything on football clubs and didn't he said that he will be longer on the next job?
If we look at young players who apparently he neglects, the likes of Mikel, Balotelli, Varane on the top of my mind had their fair chance under him. He has signed young players in the past. If you compare it to Moyes his record is better to playing young players. It isn't that Moyes is Wenger who played all those young players.
And even in the end he did left us, then what. A few more titles and a UCL wouldn't hurt. I simply cannot understand how we let him go to Chelsea when he was available. It was such a good oppurtunity but we somehow came to the conclusion that Moyes was better. Better than one of the best managers of all time.
My order of preference would have been Klopp and then Mou, though I don't think Klopp would have left Dortmund. Now I'd go for Simeone.
Moyes won't last 3 years if things keep going the way they are. There's no point hiring a long term manager if he isn't good enough to stay in the job. SAF stayed here for all those years primarily because he was a winner.And have him feck off after 3 years, neglecting youth, leaving us in the same position as we are now
This is a point that many people have been missing.
For me it's Bielsa and then Simeone.
Yup, like you said in the post above, Mourinho had various different issues why he didn't last long but there is no suggestion that he wouldn't have stayed long term if things were going well. At Porto, anyone would leave, at Chelsea Abramovich knee jerked and sacked him ridiculously because of the little spat with Shevchenko I think and because he didn't win the champions league (despite getting to 2 semi's), at Inter he won the treble and then the Madrid job opened up and they wanted him, and then that was too big of a circus with too many big personalities thinking they can rule the dressing room over Jose. He's been everywhere and won everything, it always seemed like he would settle down with the next club. He's the only manager good enough and with a big enough ego who could seamlessly take over from Fergie and not have anybody doubt him. Moyes had more people doubting him then thinking he'd do well from the first second, and I wouldn't be surprised if some of the players doubted him as well.
Bit of a nutjob but at least we'd be entertaining.
How can you know a manager isn't good enough to stay in the job without giving him a go first?
Mourinho is a manager for himself. He gets success where he goes and moves on. United have had an incredible spell over a long period of time with one manager, it'd make sense to only try & replicate that. Moyes was deemed the best man by Ferguson and others to bring long term success to the club. Obviously the signs at the moment look bad, but you can't just shift a manager on because of lackluster performances with poor results. The amount of control Ferguson had is probably unrivaled at any other club today. He's come in at an impossible position and is learning the hard way.
Moyes inherited a title winning side but he did not inherit the best team in the league.
Spot on. Pep would have been excellent too if we would have acted a bit faster.
Oh agree that he is mental but he is also a brilliant manager. At the worst case we would have been playing beautiful football and his press conferences would have lasted for 3-4 hours.
People asking for Klopp, Im not to sure SAF knows him all that well, he and Bobby would be the people with the final say in any appointment, SAF strikes me as someone who needs to know the candidate very well and what they are like in all areas of running a club, which could of been Mourinhos downfall really, but id imagine if we were going for another manager we would line him up a few months in a advance anyway, with many meetings between Fergie/Charlton and the candidate to develop some sort of rapprt first
You can't know for sure if a manager will be good enough but you can certainly reduce your risk by appointing someone with a track record of success. If I was appointing a manager the first thing I'd be looking for is a history of winning domestic titles and European experience. Basically what SAF had when we appointed him. By that standard Moyes was a very, very, very big risk, one we didn't need to take.
Anyway, I'm not saying we should get rid of Moyes or that Mourinho was necessarily the best candidate either. I just think it's a bad sign if "he won't leave in a few years" is the biggest argument in someone's favour.
I'd like to think the club wouldn't restrict themselves to such an immature, inverted outlook on a managerial position. The interview process and CV should determine a club's manager. Their ideas. Not their passport or chummy relationship with a sentimental Sir Alex. The United way and all that... Meh.
Me too but what me and you want might be different than what the club wants, SAF and Sir Bobby are the football people at the club, so of course they would be consulted, hopefully they have noticed the great work Klopp has done at Mainz and Dortmund, Because if they compared Moyes and Klopps achievements and CVs it would be hard to see why Moyes would have been chosen.
I mean, Id be pretty pissed if i went for a job interview and had all the tools and qualifications necessary, only to find out the man making the decisions knew the other candidates family for years etc and was nowhere near as qualified, Klopp speaks perfect english too and has demonstrated his loyalty too because id imagine he was approached by Madrid/Spurs and City too
Completely agree. I look at Bayern with envy at the moment. They're doing it right. They've got their own Ferguson and Charlton. Yet, after fecking about and finishing 5th, they bought some quality and began to act like the powerhouse they are. They nurture youth, they have built a German core of homegrown talent. Yet, they've also invested big, record-breaking money on bona fide quality and have even went and brought in Pep Guardiola as their manager. There's no pretentiousness or arrogant aura of 'we're Bayern, we'll make stars out of binliners' mantra. They've just gone about things with a ruthless efficiency while maintaining German youth and experience all throughout the hierarchy. That's how we should have acted. I still think that can happen. If Moyes doesn't work, it simply has to go. Sir Alex's stubbornness worries me, though.
Yeah it would of been ideal if we streched our muscles over the summer and brought in a few quality signings to show the world were Man Utd the Champions of England and were gonna be bigger and better even after Fergie, Trouble is when comparing ourselves Bayern, Bayern dont have competitors domestically like we do financially, Chelsea, City, Arsenal, Spurs have all spend millions upon millions to try and topple us, so our weaknesses and bad form is much more evident because of this.
Even your worst Real Madrid squads can go to Elche etc and piss on them, because the gap between bottom and top in other leagues is so much bigger than what it is in England, Inter and Milan are going through the same phase, Juve, Napoli and Roma have the money now and its showing because of it, In Germany and Spain, every domestic player looks at Bayern and says thats where the money and trophies is I want to go there. So its much easier for them to buy up all the talent than it is for us..If Bayern had a Manchester City buying up all the land in Munich, building a huge training ground and academy and attracting some of the worlds best players because of the wages and agent fees, they wouldnt look so dominant.
One slip up in this league especially this season can cost you, look at Liverpool, Top on Xmas eve and 5th by New Years day, Bayern got off to a shakey start too but the competition wasnt consistant enough to challenge for places, now their miles ahead and have their shit together.
I am of the belief we let this happen to ourselves, we havent been ruthless enough in the transfer market or on the pitch, we persist too much with things and always have, example, everybody knew Berbatov wasnt working and was holding us back at times, but we still persist, which is what Chelsea are doing with Torres, one thing we can learn from our rivals, as much as we hate it, is we need to realise the competition is to good now for us to be caught sleeping at the wheel, Evras not working, drop him and buy in a world class replacement, Cleverley and Valencia are holding us back, get rid, sometimes their isnt always a happy ending and things just dont work, I appreciate the loyalty we show in players and always have but we dont have the time to wait for them to come good now like we used too, Were being attacked left, right and centre from teams biting at our heels to take over the Premiership and Id like to think were going to do something about it now rather than later
Klopp would have been so good
But isn't that differentiates a great manager from a plain good one?
Um, yes you can.
I think I preferred Ancelotti.
We weren't playing good football under Fergie last season. It was unconvincing performances with good results (mostly)... granted, the results aspect is the most important part.
I don't think it's fair to give him the chop yet, is all. He (if it was even his fault) cocked up in the transfer market in strengthening areas that needed addressing & is paying the price. Sacking him now would solve nothing and would only make the club more un-stable... not to mention there isn't anyone around to replace him, unless you want Steve Round and Phil shitting Neville being the main men until we scatter around to find a replacement.
He should & will get to the end of the season. Before the Tottenham loss the Title Race thread was being bumped. 3 wins in a row and things won't look so bad again. People are fickle.
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Throw a blank cheque at Klopp, tell him he can buy whoever he'd like.
Klopp. Just so he'd show you idiots how good of a player Kagawa is
Mourinho and Thiago, that's all and exactly what we needed, and both were available.If only the club did the sensible thing and appointed Mourinho.
I wonder if we can turn back time and see what is happening now, would Fergie and the club still be choosing Moyes as the new United manager?
no..
Mourinho is ready to settle down, he's been everywhere. Sadly he'll be doing this at Chelsea now because we passed up the opportunity to appoint the best in the business when he was desperate to come to us.
Voted Moyes, largely because I hate the football Maureen comes out with, feel a bit silly now! Still don't want Maureen though. Giggs player manager.