I wanna know who voted for Jose. Name and shame please.
I don't remember posting this. I hate JoseI don’t like him, I know he will cause some shite, I don’t see any longterm future with him at the helm.
But now that this is real, I am doing a full 360 and saying Jose is my 1st choice. HE is the only fecker with a big enough ego to take this on.
Moyes will not have the support all the fans and Klopp I am not sure he is the right man for the job.
I will sell my soul and welcome Jose. (The cnut)
If only the club did the sensible thing and appointed Mourinho.
...and Benitez, although they were probably wummingI wanna know who voted for Jose. Name and shame please.
If only the club did the sensible thing and appointed Mourinho.
Only with a few more league titles, maybe a champions league, and without the shadow of Sir Alex hanging over the next manager. It would have been better to bring in somebody like him to help steady the ship rather then go straight for the long term option IMO.And have him feck off after 3 years, neglecting youth, leaving us in the same position as we are now
Silly vote seeing as Ole is a manager now, not an assistant.i voted Mou with Ole....
With a couple of league titles and a Champions League.And have him feck off after 3 years, neglecting youth, leaving us in the same position as we are now
Silly vote seeing as Ole is a manager now, not an assistant.
And then there is absolutely no guarantee at all that he would have left us after 3 years. He left Porto but everybody would have done so (it isn't that SAF stayed at Aberdeen forever), he was sacked from Chelsea and Madrid and he left Inter. If he came here, for what he would have left us. Possibly Portugal after a decade. He had achieved anything on football clubs and didn't he said that he will be longer on the next job?Only with a few more league titles, maybe a champions league, and without the shadow of Sir Alex hanging over the next manager. It would have been better to bring in somebody like him to help steady the ship rather then go straight for the long term option IMO.
Moyes won't last 3 years if things keep going the way they are. There's no point hiring a long term manager if he isn't good enough to stay in the job. SAF stayed here for all those years primarily because he was a winner.And have him feck off after 3 years, neglecting youth, leaving us in the same position as we are now
This is a point that many people have been missing.Moyes won't last 3 years if things keep going the way they are. There's no point hiring a long term manager if he isn't good enough to stay in the job. SAF stayed here for all those years primarily because he was a winner.
For me it's Bielsa and then Simeone.My order of preference would have been Klopp and then Mou, though I don't think Klopp would have left Dortmund. Now I'd go for Simeone.
Yup, like you said in the post above, Mourinho had various different issues why he didn't last long but there is no suggestion that he wouldn't have stayed long term if things were going well. At Porto, anyone would leave, at Chelsea Abramovich knee jerked and sacked him ridiculously because of the little spat with Shevchenko I think and because he didn't win the champions league (despite getting to 2 semi's), at Inter he won the treble and then the Madrid job opened up and they wanted him, and then that was too big of a circus with too many big personalities thinking they can rule the dressing room over Jose. He's been everywhere and won everything, it always seemed like he would settle down with the next club. He's the only manager good enough and with a big enough ego who could seamlessly take over from Fergie and not have anybody doubt him. Moyes had more people doubting him then thinking he'd do well from the first second, and I wouldn't be surprised if some of the players doubted him as well.This is a point that many people have been missing.
For me it's Bielsa and then Simeone.
Bit of a nutjob but at least we'd be entertaining.This is a point that many people have been missing.
For me it's Bielsa and then Simeone.
Moyes won't last 3 years if things keep going the way they are. There's no point hiring a long term manager if he isn't good enough to stay in the job. SAF stayed here for all those years primarily because he was a winner.
Spot on. Pep would have been excellent too if we would have acted a bit faster.Yup, like you said in the post above, Mourinho had various different issues why he didn't last long but there is no suggestion that he wouldn't have stayed long term if things were going well. At Porto, anyone would leave, at Chelsea Abramovich knee jerked and sacked him ridiculously because of the little spat with Shevchenko I think and because he didn't win the champions league (despite getting to 2 semi's), at Inter he won the treble and then the Madrid job opened up and they wanted him, and then that was too big of a circus with too many big personalities thinking they can rule the dressing room over Jose. He's been everywhere and won everything, it always seemed like he would settle down with the next club. He's the only manager good enough and with a big enough ego who could seamlessly take over from Fergie and not have anybody doubt him. Moyes had more people doubting him then thinking he'd do well from the first second, and I wouldn't be surprised if some of the players doubted him as well.
Oh agree that he is mental but he is also a brilliant manager. At the worst case we would have been playing beautiful football and his press conferences would have lasted for 3-4 hours.Bit of a nutjob but at least we'd be entertaining.
You can't know for sure if a manager will be good enough but you can certainly reduce your risk by appointing someone with a track record of success. If I was appointing a manager the first thing I'd be looking for is a history of winning domestic titles and European experience. Basically what SAF had when we appointed him. By that standard Moyes was a very, very, very big risk, one we didn't need to take.How can you know a manager isn't good enough to stay in the job without giving him a go first?
Mourinho is a manager for himself. He gets success where he goes and moves on. United have had an incredible spell over a long period of time with one manager, it'd make sense to only try & replicate that. Moyes was deemed the best man by Ferguson and others to bring long term success to the club. Obviously the signs at the moment look bad, but you can't just shift a manager on because of lackluster performances with poor results. The amount of control Ferguson had is probably unrivaled at any other club today. He's come in at an impossible position and is learning the hard way.
Moyes inherited a title winning side but he did not inherit the best team in the league.
I'd like to think the club wouldn't restrict themselves to such an immature, inverted outlook on a managerial position. The interview process and CV should determine a club's manager. Their ideas. Not their passport or chummy relationship with a sentimental Sir Alex. The United way and all that... Meh.People asking for Klopp, Im not to sure SAF knows him all that well, he and Bobby would be the people with the final say in any appointment, SAF strikes me as someone who needs to know the candidate very well and what they are like in all areas of running a club, which could of been Mourinhos downfall really, but id imagine if we were going for another manager we would line him up a few months in a advance anyway, with many meetings between Fergie/Charlton and the candidate to develop some sort of rapprt first
I'd like to think the club wouldn't restrict themselves to such an immature, inverted outlook on a managerial position. The interview process and CV should determine a club's manager. Their ideas. Not their passport or chummy relationship with a sentimental Sir Alex. The United way and all that... Meh.
Completely agree. I look at Bayern with envy at the moment. They're doing it right. They've got their own Ferguson and Charlton. Yet, after fecking about and finishing 5th, they bought some quality and began to act like the powerhouse they are. They nurture youth, they have built a German core of homegrown talent. Yet, they've also invested big, record-breaking money on bona fide quality and have even went and brought in Pep Guardiola as their manager. There's no pretentiousness or arrogant aura of 'we're Bayern, we'll make stars out of binliners' mantra. They've just gone about things with a ruthless efficiency while maintaining German youth and experience all throughout the hierarchy. That's how we should have acted. I still think that can happen. If Moyes doesn't work, it simply has to go. Sir Alex's stubbornness worries me, though.Me too but what me and you want might be different than what the club wants, SAF and Sir Bobby are the football people at the club, so of course they would be consulted, hopefully they have noticed the great work Klopp has done at Mainz and Dortmund, Because if they compared Moyes and Klopps achievements and CVs it would be hard to see why Moyes would have been chosen.
I mean, Id be pretty pissed if i went for a job interview and had all the tools and qualifications necessary, only to find out the man making the decisions knew the other candidates family for years etc and was nowhere near as qualified, Klopp speaks perfect english too and has demonstrated his loyalty too because id imagine he was approached by Madrid/Spurs and City too
Completely agree. I look at Bayern with envy at the moment. They're doing it right. They've got their own Ferguson and Charlton. Yet, after fecking about and finishing 5th, they bought some quality and began to act like the powerhouse they are. They nurture youth, they have built a German core of homegrown talent. Yet, they've also invested big, record-breaking money on bona fide quality and have even went and brought in Pep Guardiola as their manager. There's no pretentiousness or arrogant aura of 'we're Bayern, we'll make stars out of binliners' mantra. They've just gone about things with a ruthless efficiency while maintaining German youth and experience all throughout the hierarchy. That's how we should have acted. I still think that can happen. If Moyes doesn't work, it simply has to go. Sir Alex's stubbornness worries me, though.
But isn't that differentiates a great manager from a plain good one?How can you know a manager isn't good enough to stay in the job without giving him a go first?
Moyes inherited a title winning side but he did not inherit the best team in the league.
Um, yes you can....but you can't just shift a manager on because of lackluster performances with poor results..
Um, yes you can.
Mourinho and Thiago, that's all and exactly what we needed, and both were available.If only the club did the sensible thing and appointed Mourinho.
no..I wonder if we can turn back time and see what is happening now, would Fergie and the club still be choosing Moyes as the new United manager?