I predict this thread will continue to float around the top until December when he gets sacked.
Zidane sack watch - 19/20
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Regarding your last sentence, I dont know either. Some managers are made for league campaigns and some for cup runs, it doesn't mean one is better than other.
The way I see it is the fact that it takes some luck to win the CL ( it also does in the league in terms of terrible refereeing for instance) makes it more difficult to predict who will win it and therefore makes it harder to win
Resigns in a huff after the club fail to sign Pogba.
Must be so jelly, he's only won the World Cup, World Cup golden ball, Euros, euro best player, ballon d'or, FIFA best player, italian serie A x2, La Liga, Champions League...
Wouldn’t be surprised if he’s gone by Christmas.
What the feck has happened to Hazard? He looks so demotivated. Zidane so far is looking like an idiot to go back to Madrid. He should have joined Juventus or PSG.
Need to stop the rot, Madrid deserve better
No. Just no.
Every major league has been won consecutive times by multiple teams over the last 30 years(except maybe the bundes?). Real Madrid were the first to win the CL back-to-back in the CL era, first to do it since Milan 89 and 90, and first to win 3 in a row since Bayern in the 70s...
t'was a joke, I hope they rot
That's the problem, you were using that example when the main debate at stake was Pep's achievements and his performances in CL:
And since those performances involved rivals other than Spurs as well, and after those rounds many quality experienced teams were awaiting, I don't know how your example proves to be a good reference for the debate.
I myself have been critical of Pep's management in CL game so my point was not to defend Pep's failure to do well in CL. I was just commenting on the fact how some think Zidane's achievement with Madrid is better than Pep's . Personally, it is difficult to compare considering one has done well in knock out formats and other has done extremely well winning the league, which is where I said for me winning the league especially in England is much harder than winning the CL. It is matter of opinion. I don't blame if you feel otherwise.
It is objectively easier to win a league -any league- than the CL
Now if your argument is that the league is a better judge of quality, then sure, i kind of agree with that
To do well, with the awful defense they've got, they're going to have outscore teams very frequently and I just don't see that happening.
I disagree with that. Like I said you need to be consistent enough to win the league. In CL , if you have luck of draws with you and ref's decision then you can very well reach the latter stages to even win it, Chelsea 2011 being the prime example. Ofcourse one has to play well and cannot solely depend on luck but luck plays a huge role in CL or any knock out format than a league format.
Zidane going back to RM was such a dumb move.
Now everyone is seeing what a few people already suspected - his success was on the back of one of the best players in history and a few core players peaking at the right time and not because he is a genius coach.
Can't say I'm surprised, he always seemed tactically naive
Now everyone is seeing what a few people already suspected - his success was on the back of one of the best players in history and a few core players peaking at the right time and not because he is a genius coach.
Can't say I'm surprised, he always seemed tactically naive
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To win the league you need to be good/great. To win the CL you need to be good/great AND lucky. Easier to be good than good and lucky
This
If you are arguably the best team in your country, it's easier to win the league. If you aren't, it's easier to win the CL as luck does play a larger part.
Luck plays no part in the Champions League, the best and most deserving side in Europe always wins it. 2012 was a perfect example of this.
I bet Bale is enjoying this.
Some people think the world is flat in 2019. Nothing surprises me anymore.
Jose will come in during October and bring Bale back into the side.
Roberto Di Matteo won the CL with Chelsea. And he was not, is not and will never be a good/great manager. You can win the CL with alot of luck. You just can have an easy run till to the final and then just win it.
To win the league you need to be consistent not just good/great.
Someone on Twitter came up with the #SexyMoyes hashtag for him, and it's just so apt right now...
Think they'll really go after Pogba now.
1. RM sign Pogba
2. Zidane sacked
3. Mourinho to RM
4. Pogba benched
2. Zidane sacked
3. Mourinho to RM
4. Pogba benched
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Too early to judge but in truth replacing Ronaldo with Hazard was never the answer. That’s 50 goals a season replaced by 20 goals. No matter how good Hazard is on the ball goals win games.
I sense it will be a couple of years until Real Madrid are back at it. Benzema, Bale and Ramos need replacing soon. The youngsters coming through just aren’t at the same quality. The market is ridiculous. And then the trigger happy board means no manager gets the time to implement anything.
I sense it will be a couple of years until Real Madrid are back at it. Benzema, Bale and Ramos need replacing soon. The youngsters coming through just aren’t at the same quality. The market is ridiculous. And then the trigger happy board means no manager gets the time to implement anything.
Well it was bullshit where ever it came from.
At everyone writing him off before a ball is even kicked. They’ve made some awesome signings and preseason is genuinely nothing to go by. We couldn’t even beat nöosteewhoeverthefecktheyare until the 91st minute today. He’ll get them playing well in my opinion and probably win them the league if Barce don’t get the Neymar deal over the line.They kept their attack and got Griezmann. Bolstered their midfield. And Messi is a monster in the league. Barcelona is gonna retain it
Hopefully they will try and get Klopp.
Poch becomes manager in November
We should still a few more months before making premature conclusions already. It doesn't look good at the moment but things can change. Too many people love to tell others "i told you so".
I really hope Perez goes after Mourinho... if Zidane gets sacked. Would be hilarious.
Maybe. But it's not surprising if you think about it.
In his first run he had a complete world class squad playing at their peak and with a system already in place from the previous managers. Ronaldo was the main core piece that made the system work and every core player were delivering in a consistent basis (specially in the CL).
You could already see that Zidane was really naive tactical wise and his best attributes were locker room management and tbf that was exactly what RM needed.
Now the story is completely different. Ronaldo is gone, most of the core players from those seasons are declining hard and you just can't use the same system by replacing Ronaldo with Hazard and expect it to work.
I honestly can see him having a better season than the last one, but atp RM are miles behind Barcelona and Atlético and I doubt Zidane will be the right person to close the gap.
Some new players in that squad though.
Hazard, Vinicius, Brahim, Rodrygo, Militao, Mendy, Kubo, Jovic and maybe Pogba and other midfielder as well. I include Vinicius there becaue he barely played 2 months last season.
Those are potentially 10 new players.
Too many question marks imo.
The Japanese guy looks promising. Rodrygo too. Fede Valverde is also highly rated by some. We'll have to wait to see what all those players can do.
Hazard, Vinicius, Brahim, Rodrygo, Militao, Mendy, Kubo, Jovic and maybe Pogba and other midfielder as well. I include Vinicius there becaue he barely played 2 months last season.
Those are potentially 10 new players.
Too many question marks imo.
The Japanese guy looks promising. Rodrygo too. Fede Valverde is also highly rated by some. We'll have to wait to see what all those players can do.
Of course it's not surprising, still a little too early to write them/him off. Patience never hurt anybody
Imagine if he and real did part ways before the end of the season and Mourinho took over considering he was in contention before they re-hired zidane, what then for pogba next summer if he remains at United this summer?
He signs a contract extension at Man United.