soapythecat
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He looks like a smug Tory commentator dressed like that.
I mentioned locality and also the historical rivalry of clubs further apart like Barca Madrid as I'm fully aware of where the two cities are.It's not that old. It was complicately fabricated during the Tapie and C+ years, and isn't exactly organic. It's quite deeply rooted now, so it doesn't really matter, but it's not quite the Real/Barça, or Utd/Liverpool rivalries that have true historical, social and/or cultural origins.
It doesn't matter in the context of Zidane cos he'll have grown up with that rivalry, at its fiercest (way before QSI), so it's completely unlikely he'll ever manage PSG, but I think it's interesting to properly contextualise the rivalry. The true organic rivalry in France would be St Etienne and Lyon, much moreso than PSG and OM.
Also @redshaw you mentioned distances, but Madrid and Barcelona aren't particularly close geographically.
Christian Falk hasn’t known anything for years. He used to have an inside track into Bayern but now he doesn’t even have thatChristian Falk tweeted that Zidane has rejected the Utd job. Doesnt feel ready for PL and wants a break till the summer.
Will have to wait and see if others start reporting the same news.
I'm not losing my cool at all, what are you on aboutRegarding the first paragraph the two things aren't mutually exclusive, there can be a strong opposition between cities and also think that the OM/PSG rivalry(le classico) was a promotion tool by Tapie. It doesn't mean that unlike what you waid there is no historic opposition between Paris and the province, in fact it's quite amazing that you deny that opposition when talking about this part of France which had linguistic issues with Paris(governments), that applies to Provence, Languedoc- Roussillon, Catalogne, Pays Basque and Haute Garonnes. These issues have diminished not increased.
As for the second paragraph, I would say that you are wrong again. It's not Paris that is the target but the political class. Again I'm from one of the cities that has been the most affected by gentrification and Parisians aren't the target of criticisms, it's mainly local politicians and the government but the city of Paris isn't really a target.
And finally, calm down. I'm pretty sure that I agreed on your point about the rivalry between clubs being fabricated, we disagree on 30 years being old or not but that's not an issue and neither of us argued it. There is no need to lose your cool.
We should indeed leave it at that but I'm genuinely perpexled because what I said about the antagonism Paris vs province(antiparisianisme) isn't exactly a secret and has been used politically for centuries, it has reduced over the years and cameback with the pandemic but it's not something new. I'm genuinely surprised particularly when you talk about shame and misconception about history and culture since this is a fairly important and interesting historic and pillar of french history and culture following the revolution, centralisation of power and the will to impose a singular culture has created and maintained dislikes and stereotypes.I'm not losing my cool at all, what are you on about
Disagree with most of your post, but let's leave it at that, unless you'll just respond that I'm "losing my cool" or something (which is really strange). Just a shame that you're giving a misconception of French culture/history in here to other posters.
He was absolutely insistent that Hudson-odoi was signing for Bayern. The mans an embarrassment and utterly clueless.Christian Falk hasn’t known anything for years. He used to have an inside track into Bayern but now he doesn’t even have that
Zidane or Christian Falk ?He would be an ideal caretaker until the end of the season.
Sorry, I did not realise this was the Falk threadZidane or Christian Falk ?
So what if he cant talk English... Varane and Ronaldo can translate for him.If we actually bring him in, then I'll be happy. Would be another huge what the feck moment thinking why didn't we just do this 2 months ago.
Is this a real opinion based on watching Madrid or based on the echoes of some United fans?Never built a squad, had one of the greatest squads in history at his disposal, this guy is probably the most risky coach we could sign. At least Pep had a way of playing, Zidane doesn't even have that.
Bet the Glazers give him a 5 year contact and wait another 3 years just because he's a big name. And so the merry-go-round continues
The latter. Zidane’s midfield setup is world class and then you add in he seems an excellent man manager…think he also had some of LL’s highest pressing stats from the second stint as well which no one ever talks about. He might be average, we don’t know, I can guarantee he won’t be worse than this though.Is this a real opinion based on watching Madrid or based on the echoes of some United fans?
I would quit football for good at that point. Not because I want Zidane that much but just how pathetically we are being runArteta is going to get sacked and then Arsenal might get Zidane over us
Nah we gonna get Zidane. Arsenal will turn into Nottingham ForrestArteta is going to get sacked and then Arsenal might get Zidane over us
What you're talking about. He was an important part in bulding our most succesful period since we hired Mourinho.Never built a squad
I watched a lot of Real yes. There was a pretty big difference in his first and second stints, especially post Ronaldo. I mean the difference in our lineups is stark:Is this a real opinion based on watching Madrid or based on the echoes of some United fans?
Same, but I said the same about Pep after Barca so what the feck do I know?My gut feeling is he’d be a terrible choice, I think he was right man at right for Madrid but not convinced he’d be the right fit for us.
He is available though so that pretty much guarantees he’s our number one choice.
My goodness look at the Madrid midfield compared to oursI watched a lot of Real yes. There was a pretty big difference in his first and second stints, especially post Ronaldo. I mean the difference in our lineups is stark:
Navas
Marcelo - Ramos - Varane - Carvajal
Modric - Casemiro - Kroos
Bale - Benzema - Ronaldo
Vs
De Gea
Shaw - Maguire - Varane - AWB
Bruno - Mctominay - Fred/VDB
Sancho - Ronaldo - Rashford
The team he had was better in every position. The only ones that are about the same are De Gea and Varane, but even then Navas back then was top tier and Varane was younger.
The biggest thing we need is a manager with a proper style of play, someone like Potter who will dominate teams regardless of who they are. And someone that can coach tactics well, and can build a squad.
People don't know that he was a consultant for the president and then worked with the DOF, they also don't know that he studied football management. On paper Zidane is one of the few that has an understanding of that side of things. I actually think that he will end up in that role for you at some point.What you're talking about. He was an important part in bulding our most succesful period since we hired Mourinho.
If it’s true that Zidane aims for the France job, then this prospect should only be temporary. I don’t think Zidane long term will be the solution, but to actually establish an identity with a tactician. But even with a good squad, you don’t just fluke your way into 3 CLs in a row. He will also be someone that our veteran players would respect. Potter has potential but it’s hard to say how he’d do in a high pressure environment like United. Zidane has shown his capabilities being at an arguably higher pressure environment at Madrid.I watched a lot of Real yes. There was a pretty big difference in his first and second stints, especially post Ronaldo. I mean the difference in our lineups is stark:
Navas
Marcelo - Ramos - Varane - Carvajal
Modric - Casemiro - Kroos
Bale - Benzema - Ronaldo
Vs
De Gea
Shaw - Maguire - Varane - AWB
Bruno - Mctominay - Fred/VDB
Sancho - Ronaldo - Rashford
The team he had was better in every position. The only ones that are about the same are De Gea and Varane, but even then Navas back then was top tier and Varane was younger.
The biggest thing we need is a manager with a proper style of play, someone like Potter who will dominate teams regardless of who they are. And someone that can coach tactics well, and can build a squad.
Imo respectfully you're using the wrong parameters to judge managers. Respect, high pressure aren't the right parameters, just like Ole being a nice guy, liked by the team and gets on with the board aren't the right ones. We should be focusing on:If it’s true that Zidane aims for the France job, then this prospect should only be temporary. I don’t think Zidane long term will be the solution, but to actually establish an identity with a tactician. But even with a good squad, you don’t just fluke your way into 3 CLs in a row. He will also be someone that our veteran players would respect. Potter has potential but it’s hard to say how he’d do in a high pressure environment like United. Zidane has shown his capabilities being at an arguably higher pressure environment at Madrid.
I'm glad that we seem to be favouring a triple champion league and Serie A winner over a guy like Rodgers.My gut feeling is he’d be a terrible choice, I think he was right man at right for Madrid but not convinced he’d be the right fit for us.
He is available though so that pretty much guarantees he’s our number one choice.
The parameters are also for now until end of the season. The last three of your points are things that Zidane has. I see him as a temporary solution; not a long term one. Unlikely we get our tactician manager now, but we can try at the end of the season—I much prefer Ten Hag. But we can’t persist with Ole anymore so something must change now.Imo respectfully you're using the wrong parameters to judge managers. Respect, high pressure aren't the right parameters, just like Ole being a nice guy, liked by the team and gets on with the board aren't the right ones. We should be focusing on:
Style of play
Squad building ability / cutting players that don't work
Coaching ability
Tactical Flexibility
And then man management
Essentially what Liverpool got in Klopp
Well exactly he might be great and his trophy record suggests we’re doing him a huge disservice. Just feels like it would be the wrong fit but if it’s not Zidane I can’t see anyone else we’d appoint permanently for rest of season.Same, but I said the same about Pep after Barca so what the feck do I know?
All I know is he’s managed one team, who happened to be the best in Europe, and they won the European cup. At least he isn’t an underachiever, but what the hell is he going to do with this shitshow?
I won’t comment on his coaching ability/tactical knowledge because I have no idea. I just hope he has some and isn’t the pure man-manager some say he is.