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Frankie Barwell ITK
I think it says a lot on Messi's side, when Cal, the biggest Ronaldo fanboy going, can only now pick faults at his penalty record.
that means messi is over rated!If you take away Messi's goals from open play he has only scored 2 this season.
Give his pens to Higuian instead and...if you take away ronaldos penaltis, he only scored 4 more goals than higuain
and higuain doesnt play as much games as ronaldo
Stop. Don't go there or I will dismember you.That can't be real? 10 penalties?? SO take away penalties and Ronaldo has 18 goals to Messis 25? So Messi missed one in the league so that means Barca have had 3 penalties whilst madrid have had 10? that's some stat.
Aslo Messi was taking penalties before Guardiola was the manager, so the idea that he's "indulging" him is a bit off.
Yeah, in La Liga Higuain has taken 40 shots at goal. Ronaldo 149.if you take away ronaldos penaltis, he only scored 4 more goals than higuain
and higuain doesnt play as much games as ronaldo
eeek, i'll be more subtle.Stop. Don't go there or I will dismember you.
Yeah we're the only ones who mentioned anything to do with penalties, good one.How about this, let's not use penalties to prove anything about Ronaldo or Messi, as it's completely immaterial. FV, Cal, you are both major embarassments to mankind.
tell that to the chief!Is it because Messi is left footed?
you are right, you cant, a goal is a goalTbf you can't just "take away" a goal. He's a good penalty taker fair enough. He scores them with ease. A lot of which he wins with his trickery.
But I wouldn't base my judgement on a player on penalty taking ability.
Alright alright, point taken, my reply was just to Marcos, i wasnt even aware of these stats.Obviously not, but look at the direction you are taking this in.
Seems a bit familiar doesn't it FV.....
You are clearly trying to get Cal to respond to your bollocks about Ronaldo, which will spark off another little spastic unwinnable war between yourselves.
I see what you're saying, there's a point where if the goalkeeper makes the save, you have to hold your hands up and admit he played a blinder making the save. But the player needs to make the save difficult. Place it in the top or bottom corner with speed, and 99.9% it's not getting saved. If it does, fair fecks to the keeper.a good shot is unstoppable, that doesn't mean that every shot should be at goal and if it doesnt the shooter is shit
you are defining "good" for "goal" and is not like that
juan mata's penalty last sunday agains birminghan was very good taken, and 90 percent of the penaltys taken that way are goal, would you say that the penalty was bad because the goalie stopped it?
and if that's the case, then the other penalties taken the same way were badly taken although they end up scoring?
suddenly someone points out that Messi is below average in an aspect of the game and FV wants to scratch penalties from goals records.That can't be real? 10 penalties?? SO take away penalties and Ronaldo has 18 goals to Messis 25? So Messi missed one in the league so that means Barca have had 3 penalties whilst madrid have had 10? that's some stat.
Aslo Messi was taking penalties before Guardiola was the manager, so the idea that he's "indulging" him is a bit off.
to be fair, he wasnt the only onesuddenly someone points out that Messi is below average in an aspect of the game and FV wants to scratch penalties from goals records.
Fair enough, I just wanted to nip it in the bud, more for Cal than you as I could see his hands rubbing together with delight at the mention of Naldo.Alright alright, point taken, my reply was just to Marcos, i wasnt even aware of these stats.
Here's another look at probably the best performance of the season so far.
Again, if a Messi thread is only about praising him, perhaps it should say so in the title.Okay, so let's just say Villa should take the penalties. Who cares? Why does this even matter?
Just to be clear, I didn't mention who has a much better penalty record at all...Fair enough, I just wanted to nip it in the bud, more for Cal than you as I could see his hands rubbing together with delight at the mention of Naldo.
Just to be clear, I didn't mention who has a much better penalty record at all...
I'm not, I'm genuinely interested.Don't take the piss WR.
The difference is that if he's better at them, Barca wouldn't be 10pts behind.It's not about praise Cal. What difference does it make if his penalty taking isn't at the highest standard? The limit of this discussion should go like this:
- Messi isn't that great at penalties?
- You know, perhaps he isn't. Someone else should take them if they are better.
That's it. It's such a throwaway point at this junction. It's like Wayne Rooney, he can't take the best pens, but what should we do, debate it till the end of days or just accept that he takes them for some reason, right or wrong, that is unknown to us. What makes this a bit more pointless is that Messi is the freak he is, nearly every aspect of his game is exceptional, so who even cares about his penalty record? Even if he missed 10 out of 20, what difference does it really make, and where do you go from here? He can't take penalties with the best of them, accepted.
No prizes for guessing who said so.generally an excellent penalty taker
About timeI'll leave it at that and leave you all to your Messi worshipping.
2 points actuallyRight, but they've only lost one match where he's missed a penalty. Last time I checked, that equates to 3 points, not the total amount of points they are behind the leaders.
So, with that done and dusted. Let's move on.
I'm sorry if I don't find many things amazing about most saves off a dead ball from 12 yards. For as long as the taker does his job, you begin to understand the reason why its called a penalty.Very arrogant view specially when keepers (sometimes) pull off amazing saves.
Honestly at professional level, the keeper should have even less of a chance of saving a dead ball from 12 yards than at amateur level. I feel that is the reason those misses get so much headlines. It can be argued that keepers pull off mini miracles, so Koroux has a huge point.At an amateur level, yes. When the keepers arent as good you really shouldnt be missing. The keepers have no knowledge of where you are going to go etc. Much harder for a keeper. I play at a decent level and didnt miss my first pen til last season, was gutted.
At a professional level with all the dvds, videos and the quality of keepers, its certainly more acceptable to miss a penalty. Certainly isnt shameful.