Gaming PS4 vs Xbox One - The suckiest thread in the history of suckyness

Which one will you buy?

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Experts: how long does it normally take for the first wave of price reductions?

I remember with the ps3 most of my mates got it in 2007 and they paid £400, I got mine when the 80 gig fat one came out and paid 275.

I've got no interest in spunking 400 quid on a games console. Reckon it's around a year until prices come down?
 
WeasteDevil said:
Are we having a technical argument here?
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Haha, no. I think I remember your screen name and it being associated with someone way more knowledgeable than myself in these matters. I was simply posting a new article I found.

I've already made my decision to purchase an XboxOne. For various factors outside of technically which system is stronger. More to do with my group of friends, online and off as well as the marketplace.
 
ISSYNAZAR said:
Experts: how long does it normally take for the first wave of price reductions?

I remember with the ps3 most of my mates got it in 2007 and they paid £400, I got mine when the 80 gig fat one came out and paid 275.

I've got no interest in spunking 400 quid on a games console. Reckon it's around a year until prices come down?
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A year or two usually. The second year might not see a price drop, but you'll probably be able to get bundles for decent value that come with a second controller or a couple of good games.
 
Kingcon said:
Haha, no. I think I remember your screen name and it being associated with someone way more knowledgeable than myself in these matters. I was simply posting a new article I found.

I've already made my decision to purchase an XboxOne. For various factors outside of technically which system is stronger. More to do with my group of friends, online and off as well as the marketplace.
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Fine, good luck to you,
 
Can anyone explain (with sources?) the difference between the XBoxOne and PS4 when it comes to Indies self publishing. Ie pricing structure, rules etc

The Xbox could have a significant advantage from the indie devs if they get it right and the ps4 wrong
 
Kingcon said:
Haha, no. I think I remember your screen name and it being associated with someone way more knowledgeable than myself in these matters. I was simply posting a new article I found.

I've already made my decision to purchase an XboxOne. For various factors outside of technically which system is stronger. More to do with my group of friends, online and off as well as the marketplace.
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A whole group of friends set on buying one particular console, and the more expensive one to boot? That's interesting. I wonder who decides what a large group of people buys in a situation like this. The first one to get a console? Or there's some sort of meeting where people vote?
 
FreakyJim said:
A whole group of friends set on buying one particular console, and the more expensive one to boot? That's interesting. I wonder who decides what a large group of people buys in a situation like this. The first one to get a console? Or there's some sort of meeting where people vote?
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Perhaps a group who have played on xbox for years, and are invested in that ecosystem? I used to play quite a bit of Cod4 with a group of friends all on X360. Can't say I've played more than the odd fifa game with anyone on my ps3.
 
FreakyJim said:
A whole group of friends set on buying one particular console, and the more expensive one to boot? That's interesting. I wonder who decides what a large group of people buys in a situation like this. The first one to get a console? Or there's some sort of meeting where people vote?
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Dick.

It's not uncommon for friends to get the same console. My group of mates who play games consists of about six or seven people; it's hardly logistically unfeasible to imagine us all getting the same machine. We're all 360 at the moment but are considering changing to Playstation for the next generation.
 
ciderman9000000 said:
Dick.

It's not uncommon for friends to get the same console. My group of mates who play games consists of about six or seven people; it's hardly logistically unfeasible to imagine us all getting the same machine. We're all 360 at the moment but are considering changing to Playstation for the next generation.
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Yes but question still remains. Who decides? There has to be an alpha male controlling the group. A master mind?

A Dick?
 
In my group of mates, with the current gen, everyone has a 360 except me, which is a bit shit.

So when the original announcements about the new machines came out, and it seemed that the new PS4 was going to be far, far better than the Xbox One, I took the initiative and wrote a big group text which I sent round to all the lads. Essentially selling them all on the idea of all of us buying Playstations so we can all play FIFA.

Seems to have worked and I think we're all going to get PS4s!
 
ciderman9000000 said:
I guess it's decided via largely the same means that any other plans are decided amongst friends. How do you decide which pub to go to?
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Well, there's always some asshole hell-bent on a place. What can you do.

I guess mystery solved? Thanks for helping. That peer pressure eh. It's a force of nature. Didn't think anyone would take it that personal but I should've probably white texted my initial post.
 
FreakyJim said:
Well, there's always some asshole hell-bent on a place. What can you do.

I guess mystery solved? Thanks for helping. That peer pressure eh. It's a force of nature. Didn't think anyone would take it that personal but I should've probably white texted my initial post.
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There's more than enough reasons for a group of people to all be happy with the Xbox One than the PS4.

Exclusives so far the Xbox One to me has a far better line up. Of course it depends on your own taste and preferences, but for me if I was buying purely based on the games then I would go for the Xbox One. I'm sure a lot of mainstream gamers would think the same.

Anybody interested in buying the kinect/ps camera would probably pick the Xbox One. It's been said by developers that the Kinect is almost worth as much as the Xbox itself, and the price of the Xbox One including the Kinect gets far better value for money than the PS4 + Camera.

I know a lot of people who are happy with the services Xbox Live provide. I have a PS3 kinda (in my house, I use it, don't own it) and my own 360 - the live service offered is much better. Ok, it might well be free, but I'm happy to pay for what extras I get. PS3 still doesn't have cross-game party chat right? That's a big issue for me. I know it's on the PS4, so moving over wouldn't be such a big deal anymore - but what's the next feature that PS4 won't have that Xbox might?

The controller, the ecosystem, the games lineup, the kinect, the possibility of Illumiroom. I'm not saying that the Xbox One is better or that people should pick it, I haven't yet decided I'm pretty 50/50 - but I don't understand how people are under estimating it so much. Both will be great consoles, both will sell a shit load. In the end, it's always gonna come down to personal preferences and brand loyalty - I don't think either one will 'win' the console war.

Sony themselves know that this is gonna be a long haul slog. It's not over. They haven't won shit.
 
I guess if you can justify paying an extra $100 for a camera then why not justify paying $1000 for Illumiroom too?
 
although Sony is doing all the right things after getting knocked off its perch last gen, due to its arrogance, Xbox One although slightly less powerful, has a better online ecosystem, cloud system and voice control.

and above all in all my last gen experience not once did credit card details or the network crash, unlike PSN's spectacular mishap, I for some reason can't trust Sony.

All in all i'm still on the fence, i want to see what gamescom brings and what the launch titles are, Ultimately the deciding factor will be what all my group of friends buy and which console has the best Version of Pro Evo 2015 (2014 is not coming to next gen).
 
rcoobc said:
Can anyone explain (with sources?) the difference between the XBoxOne and PS4 when it comes to Indies self publishing. Ie pricing structure, rules etc

The Xbox could have a significant advantage from the indie devs if they get it right and the ps4 wrong
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Well Xbox have only just announced that they will support self publishing, previously they haven't. A lot of indie devs have experience with Sony due to the PS3 and the fact that they've had support on the PS4 since the start. The whole reason Xbox has announced self publishing is because indie devs have been flocking to the PS4 to port there games.
 
Hal9000 said:
Well Xbox have only just announced that they will support self publishing, previously they haven't. A lot of indie devs have experience with Sony due to the PS3 and the fact that they've had support on the PS4 since the start. The whole reason Xbox has announced self publishing is because indie devs have been flocking to the PS4 to port there games.
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So what is the PS4 and the Xbox One going to charge for updates and stuff, this time round? How does it compare to the PS3 and Xbox360?

The rise of the indie devs could be the catalyst for cheaper console games. If they are selling their games for £10, and people are buying them aplenty, hopefully it will encourage the big guns to reduce their prices.
 
gulli_G said:
although Sony is doing all the right things after getting knocked off its perch last gen, due to its arrogance, Xbox One although slightly less powerful, has a better online ecosystem, cloud system and voice control.
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I think we all need to step back a little and try to remove the hyperbole. Firstly, yes, PS3 is not going to sell PS2 level numbers, however, it and XB360 combined are already approaching that number, and by the time the fat lady sings, PS3 will have outsold Wii and PS1 in terms of numbers. Believe it or not, the PS3 will end up, in terms of unit sales, the most successful console of its generation. Secondly, Xbone isn't slightly less powerful than the PS4, it's significantly less powerful. Finally, I don't know what you are talking about in regards to an ecosystem, as both do not have backwards compatibility, so the slate is completely clean for both of them in that the ecosystem is, well, blank. As for your cloud comment, can I have a bit of what you are smoking? Voice control?
 
Alock1 said:
Exclusives so far the Xbox One to me has a far better line up. Of course it depends on your own taste and preferences, but for me if I was buying purely based on the games then I would go for the Xbox One. I'm sure a lot of mainstream gamers would think the same.
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Maybe you should look at the exclusives Sony has pumped out for the PS3 this year as an example of how a platform holder should continue to support their system?

Alock1 said:
the live service offered is much better. Ok, it might well be free, but I'm happy to pay for what extras I get.
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What extra do you get?

Alock1 said:
PS3 still doesn't have cross-game party chat right? That's a big issue for me. I know it's on the PS4, so moving over wouldn't be such a big deal anymore - but what's the next feature that PS4 won't have that Xbox might
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PS3 didn't have that feature due to its memory limitations, VITA has it, memory limitations is something the PS4 does not have.

Alock1 said:
The controller, the ecosystem, the games lineup, the kinect, the possibility of Illumiroom.
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Again, LOL!
 
Playstation always has better exclusives. Microsoft has exclusives that do well but I think they're extremely shit. Games like halo and gears of war just aren't my thing whereas last of us, god of war, mgs, heavy rain and uncharted were. Of course things will change in this generation like mgs being on both but I still prefer sony's exclusives every time.
 
First party exclusives will always just be a preference thing. As long as Nuaghty Dog remain Sony exclusive then Sony will always get my cash, I wouldn't want to miss out on their offerings.

There should be more game announcements at Gamescom and PAX anyway, thats gonna be fun.
 
As an owner of both no doubt this gen M$ has had the much better online experience.

Sony are catching up though I would expect them to be offering the same standard next gen especially with fees, added in they offer really good free games while you are a subscriber.

Memory hog of a OS is a problem though, surprised at that. As long as they just target 1080p at 60FPS it should be fine though. I will be waiting for exclusives this time around but I think it will be a PS4 even though I liked Gears and Halo, I have been there done that.
 
WeasteDevil said:
Maybe you should look at the exclusives Sony has pumped out for the PS3 this year as an example of how a platform holder should continue to support their system?



What extra do you get?



PS3 didn't have that feature due to its memory limitations, VITA has it, memory limitations is something the PS4 does not have.



Again, LOL!
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The controller is an incredibly important part of a gaming console. Early hands-on of the PS4 controller are positive, but they are all in comparison to the PS3s controller - saying how much better it is and how it addresses some of the issues with the PS3 controller.
Early hands-on of the Xbox controller are incredibly positive as a stand alone controller, built upon and in comparison to what is often labeled the best controller made by critics.
For those who haven't had chance to experience either controller at the likes of comic-con, is it really strange that they might trust the Xbox controller over the PS4 one - and consider it when deciding which console to buy.

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I'm not sure how Sony fans can laugh at the Kinect.. You could maybe think it's funny that it's being bundled with the Xbox and people have to pay extra for it, but Sony's price including the camera is only 30£ less than the Xbox One + Kinect. And yet the Kinect is incredibly superior to the PS4s camera.

The Kinect's early hands on are again incredibly positive, with every body who has used it commenting on it's power and the potential it has if developers make the most of it. Will devs make the most of it? We can't guarantee it, but we can be fairly certain that they will since everybody who has an Xbox One will have a Kinect.

Should the Kinect be completely ignored when making this decision? Well, that depends.. any gamer who has family/friends who may play, any gamer who is interested in fitness games, any potential customer who feels uncomfortable using a controller - all these people would take the Kinect into account, and would probably buy an Xbox.

MS have been said to be proposing the Kinect as something for businesses right? Ok, while I'm not recommending businesses go out and buy it - I can imagine that they are going to develop some apps which utilize it in other ways than just games - such as cross-video which translate into subtitles.

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The dashboard, the online features, the updates - come on, surely you recognise that the Xbox Live service is widely recognised by critics and also people with both consoles as offering more. Whether it's worth the extra cash is a question for each console owner to decide, but technically it's going to now be rivaling another paid service rather than a free one. Admittedly, PS Plus is incredible (I have it for my Vita and the house's PS3) but can we trust that we will get many PS4 games from it? I dunno.. Not for a while I imagine, but sure it's definitely better than what the Xbox offers in terms of free games.

Both systems might be starting on a new slate, but I can confidently say that XBL service has been better than the PSN service and that I am glad I paid for XBL so the best assumption I can make is that MS would continue to support and update their service, and will again be the best.

You also have to consider that MS are trying to link the system with Windows, and it will be able to run Windows apps which is great news - it would be silly to dismiss this, usually I hear 'yeah but no one has windows 8' - but it's growing, it's the 3rd biggest mobile platform, it still sells well on PCs, and since every Xbox One will run it - that's a big influx of people out there to develop for.

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The Xbox One exclusives are more new IPs and potential franchises than the PS4s. I believe that the Xbox 360 was quite some way ahead of the PS3 in exclusives for the first 3/4 years of the generation. Sure, judging from this gen then Sony may provide more support to the console later down the line - but that's a long time away. All of these new IPs that Xbox are bringing out, if I get 3/4 iterations from each before getting bored then what am I to complain about.

As much as people who are Sony fanboys go on about Xbox exclusives just being the same franchises over and over - I also hear from them how excited they are about the 3rd Infamous, the 4th Killzone, the 6th Gran Turismo, the 4th Unchartered (whenever announced) and before recent times, the next Final Fantasy and MGs games (now coming to Xbox)

Halo, Gears of War, Dead Rising, Forza - they may be hashed out over and over, but so are some of the Sony IPs. Titanfall, Ryse, Project Spark, Sunset Overdrive, Quantum Break all look like promising franchises. There is also the Black Tusk Studios title, they are tasked with creating a AAA title to match the success of Halo.

I think both consoles will offer great games. Anybody who wants to play all the best games will need both consoles, I'm confident of that.

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The PS4 might be more powerful, but the Xbox One is incredibly powerful compared to the 360/PS3 which we still get great games from.. I'm not concerned about the games coming out onto Xbox One being below par at all. I don't think we'll see a noticable difference for years, and even if we do I don't think it'll be in many peoples heads on which console to buy. The point that will matter is which has the better games, and as I said earlier, I'm confident both will be strong in this regard. It'll come down to personal taste.

The PS3 was quite a lot more powerful than the 360, but it didn't showcase it - as much as you can tell me that this was because of Cell which is no longer an issue for the next-gen - does that conclude that the PS4 will definitely be able to showcase it's extra power? Of course not.. there could be other reasons - the extra power not being used because of the cost of resources, that Direct X 11 is a Xbox One exclusive perhaps?

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Both are gonna be great consoles. I'm considering getting both, and if I am only to get one - I have no idea yet which I will get.
But it's definitely not an easy decision, and it's not a case of 'only blind brand loyalty to MS would conclude the Xbox One is the better option' - there are many advantages to the Xbox One, despite it's obvious disadvantages.

Seriously though Weaste, you're obviously clued up, but you can't seem to hide your huge bias towards Sony. Having the better technical expertise doesn't mean that your opinion should be shared by everybody, or that your opinion is right - and that anybody who doesn't shown it is stupid, naive or whatever else. It's incredible that you can't seem to acknowledge any areas in which the Xbox One is better - even if they hold no value to you personally.
 
The XboxOne can run Windows 8 apps? Thats pretty cool if so, maybe they will actually bother to make some decent ones.

I wanted my second screen to work a clock for a few minutes so I looked in the store for an app. The free ones are all awful, and that's for a clock app. The first one I tried stopped being a clock when full screen, the 2nd really hurt my eyes and you couldn't change the background. The 3rd is decent, but does have adverts (£1.99 to get rid of them). Call me crazy, but I think a decent clock app should come with Windows.
 
I read that long ass post then immediately pre-orded

a PS4
 
http://attackofthefanboy.com/news/xbox-cloud-gimmick-nvidia-proving-buzzword/

Research suggesting that the cloud may one day be very useful, and not simply just propaganda used by MS.
Ahead of it's time, sure.. but if the cloud were able to one day be utilized well, MS is ready for it - has future proofed and got their system ready. It may well mean the extra power on the PS4 will never be that noticeable.
Admittedly, only time will tell.. but as much as I believe that the cloud isn't currently everything that MS are making it out to be, I definitely think that is has potential.

Also, Xbox One will allow for modding - it's up to developers whether or not it will be allowed in their games. This is big news.. I know a lot of PC players who have said that being unable to mod on current gen consoles is a big disadvantage from them. I don't believe that Sony have yet made comment to establish their position on modding? However, the news that any Xbox One can be used as a dev-kit makes modding very accessible.
For some, it could be a console seller.

Nvidia Cloud 'Lighting' Tech Demo
 
Leg-End said:
I read that long ass post then immediately pre-orded

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Nice one. I wasn't trying to convince anybody on which to preorder.
In general, fan boys don't annoy me. But when they obviously have some relevant expertise in the area, it annoys me that they use this position as a means to channel their bias and force it upon people.

I think the PS4 will be great, maybe we will get to game on it some day.
 
Alock1 said:
Nice one. I wasn't trying to convince anybody on which to preorder.
In general, fan boys don't annoy me. But when they obviously have some relevant expertise in the area, it annoys me that they use this position as a means to channel their bias and force it upon people.

I think the PS4 will be great, maybe we will get to game on it some day.
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I was only yanking your chain, I pre-ordered a while back.

I can't be bothered to go through it but I disagree with a few points in your original post, but you also raised a few good points. Particularly right now, before any potential new announcements I think the X1 has the stronger launch lineup, in fact I would go as far as saying the PS4 lineup is quite weak. On the flipside the X1 doesn't have launch titles I'm interested in either Forza 5 aside, not enough for me to overlook the price, the lower specs and the policies (even if they have backtracked).

I think its harsh to writeoff PSN before its even here, they know they didn't nail it with the PS3 so I expect big improvements on that front and PS+ is big feature that they really followed through on with some really big games being available for free on that service monthly, its almost a must have now.
 
WeasteDevil said:
You have an agenda don't you?
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Extremely ironic.

Alock1 said:
Nice one. I wasn't trying to convince anybody on which to preorder.
In general, fan boys don't annoy me. But when they obviously have some relevant expertise in the area, it annoys me that they use this position as a means to channel their bias and force it upon people.

I think the PS4 will be great, maybe we will get to game on it some day.
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I agree with the bolded bit but I disagree with pretty much everything else you've said. If the last line is meant to be a sarcastic dig, it doesn't make any sense.
 
Its not. I think both consoles will be great. I think both the 360 and PS3 are great..

You disagree with kinect having appeal to some people? That the Xbox One will also have good games? That the xboxs controller will most likely be stellar? That the 360s xbl service is better than psn? That we may not see a difference in power for quite some years? That the xbox has some new great looking IPs? That the xbox being modable may be a deciding factor for some?

I don't believe even Weaste can disagree with the majority of what I said.
 
What are the great Xbox exclusives btw? Exclusives on both consoles look a bit shit right now. At least with Sony I can expect sequels to their old exclusives which will be brilliant. If there's another last of us, then it's not even a contest (er drool smiley here).

Anyone disappointed that the launch titles on both consoles look a bit "meh" right now? I mean do they look better made than the last of us? Surely they should be on a different level to the best looking game on current gen consoles.
 
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