Story keeps changing son. But lets go with it. Dissappointing goal return
Fellaini
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Pretty much spot on.
Probably wouldn't bee too bad just to have him as a Darren Fletcher type chasing around tackling in Europe or those games in the PL where (under Fergie anyway) we shit bricks. But if we start putting him up the field and leaving Kagawa out I'll be gutted.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/fo...Mohamed-Diame-deal-heart-condition-fears.html
It's the Daily Mail so could be nonsense, but seems like a strange thing to make up.
Think its clearly nonsense, as if we needed a powerful CM to replace Pogba and we didnt sign one. We didnt even take a punt on a free transfer
Everton are probably refering to bids made by us along time ago and not recently. If we really wanted Fellaini, why didn't we just pay the release clause?
Sure we unsettle the player, but as Bale, Rooney and Suarez have shown, it doesn't mean shit if you don't meet the clubs asking price. With his realease clause, we could've got him easily and it wouldn't have mattered what Everton thought and we wouldn't have to negotiate with them.
Sure we unsettle the player, but as Bale, Rooney and Suarez have shown, it doesn't mean shit if you don't meet the clubs asking price. With his realease clause, we could've got him easily and it wouldn't have mattered what Everton thought and we wouldn't have to negotiate with them.
Exactly. I've no idea what The Neviller's on about. Nowt wrong with what Glaston posted. It's pretty good summary of how I see things at the moment.
Because he's not worth 23 million. In fact our bid suggests we think he's worth not even close, and I'd agree.
The statement makes it sound like we made the bids just before the weekend. Why would they bring it up now if they were old bids?
I don't think so, but if that happens (total speculation at this time) then I would say that Moyes doesn't know what is doing. Would like Fellaini as a midfielder, but if we get him to play as a No.10 then really I would be afraid that we wouldn't get even UCL.
Actually I think the statement sounds like Everton have had 2 bids from us in total. So we probably bid just the one time for Baines, the 12 million that was rejected. We know for sure that he's one of the players as its been confirmed before that we bid for him.
We don't know who the other player is for sure
We don't know who the other player is for sure
Not sure, I found it strange he ended up at a newly promoted West Ham side when he was available on a free, he's a good player. Making up someone having a heart condition is also pretty dodgy, even for the Mail. Anyway, this is irrelevant, we aren't going to sign Diame now, heart condition or no heart condition.
He's not going to be anything like Fletcher though, Fletcher ran about all day closing people down. Thats not Fellaini's style at all. He'd be closer to Carrick in terms of trying to take up positions to intercept the ball instead of charging about closing people down like Fletcher.
I agree he's not worth that much, but would Everton accept anything less for him? Of course not, and he can put in a transfer request and it still won't change the fact that Everton would want at least 23 million for him. I think if we really wanted him, we would've paid the release clause. And it's not like we don't overpay for nearly everyone we sign.
Yes we have given up being a big club, We thought we would make way in the top 4 for the mighty Tottingham Hotspur.
Do you not think for a moment that Moyes knows Fellaini and Baines want to follow him to United? Is he stupid for low balling? probably he will quickly learn that there is a Man Utd tax when it comes to buying players. I said all along both of these players were targets irrespective of Fabregas. If you listen to what he said in the summer he made it known he wanted a few midfielders.
I mean I can't believe you have the neck to criticize a clubs transfer strategy when you have had Harry "Triffic" Redknapp bidding for any cnut with a pulse and Daniel "I think Bale is worth more than Ronaldo" Levy running your show. Stop with the billy big bollocks act and save your critique for the day after transfer day.
The bottom line is it doesn't matter how we or Utd value Fellaini, it's how Everton value him that has relevance. Why does it matter to us how much Utd have to pay if he is the man moyes wants? Let the Glazers pay what is necessary, and then if fellaini doesn't work out, it will be Moyes who is accountable. We have had our valuation of Fabregas rejected by barca, because it didn't relate to what they valued him at. These bids may or may not be deemed derogatory, but they are unrealistic at best. Everton have to be convinced that selling is worthwhile, offering less for Fellaini than his recently expired clause is hardly a realistic attempt to sign the player. Same applies with Baines, we have offered no more than was rejected last time, so how can these bids reasonably be considered serious attempts to convince Everton to sell Utd 2 of their star players?
Well yes I agree with most of that, and thats why I dont want us to sign him
But our bid, if it happened, seems to be in the right ball park for how good he is as a CM. Perhaps with nobody making a move for him at the price of the clause, we thought Everton might be more reasonable now and we are just testing the waters? And if they dont accept something close to 16 million we'll end our interest?
I know we all have to get behind 'Moyes ra ra ra' and I also have posted in this very thread that Fellani is a player capable of doing a good job for us, but given the new circumstances accompanied with all the moyes noise about the need for world class transfers, this almost inevitable clumsy late night chat up for Fellaini feels like we have our beer googles on.
Fabregas + Fellani = transfer window of serious world class team
Fellaini + Baines = A bit average.
Fellaini alone = very underwhelming
Fabregas + Fellani = transfer window of serious world class team
Fellaini + Baines = A bit average.
Fellaini alone = very underwhelming
I cannot see lot of bargains on the market at the moment. Moreover, the fee is just a part of the package - there is also the salaries which are also going up all the time.
Some absolute drivel in this thread today
First of all, Glaston, take your condescending tone and shove it up your fat arse. Feeling a bit high and mighty at the moment are ya?
Only one point I agree on in your post and that is that we shouldnt pay less than what Everton signed him for, considering he was a success
The rest is rubbish.. "resigned to Felliani" what does that even mean?
As for the rest of you, Moyes has said he would like to get 2 bodies into midfield, so just because we may sign Felliani, doesnt necessarily mean thats us done. I see very little wrong with our approach thus far. We tried for 2 Barca players that are absolutely top drawer, 1 followed his old coach, the 2nd decided he'd rather stay where he was for now. Theres no shame in either of those scenarios. Its not like either of them said "Manchester United? Pah! I wouldnt piss on them, dont waste my time!" or "United fans are idiots"
(though the latter i'd say "yeah, fair play")
just chill out ffs
First of all, Glaston, take your condescending tone and shove it up your fat arse. Feeling a bit high and mighty at the moment are ya?
Only one point I agree on in your post and that is that we shouldnt pay less than what Everton signed him for, considering he was a success
The rest is rubbish.. "resigned to Felliani" what does that even mean?
As for the rest of you, Moyes has said he would like to get 2 bodies into midfield, so just because we may sign Felliani, doesnt necessarily mean thats us done. I see very little wrong with our approach thus far. We tried for 2 Barca players that are absolutely top drawer, 1 followed his old coach, the 2nd decided he'd rather stay where he was for now. Theres no shame in either of those scenarios. Its not like either of them said "Manchester United? Pah! I wouldnt piss on them, dont waste my time!" or "United fans are idiots"
(though the latter i'd say "yeah, fair play")
just chill out ffs
I dont see how a player like Fellaini and the best LB in the premier league can be considered underwhelming and average. But whatever
feckin BOOM. Thank you Geebs
Superbly put. Far more concise and polite than I would have phrased it.
Thank goodness for this post. So much cringeworthy drivel posted in this thread. I don't even understand where Glaston gets his superiority complex, I mean, it's not like Spurs will finish anywhere near us regardless of how shit our transfer activity is (which is pretty shit to this point).
Ass kissers
Nothing we could have done about the Thiago transfer, agreed. But Fabregas's case was different, we should have atleast bid 40mil or so and tested Barca's resolve rather than kidding around with 30mil bids for a player of his quality. You just dont get a player of his quality at 30mil unless there's another angle like it was when he moved from Arsenal to Barca.
Its the same with the fellaini and baines situation. If we want them, we should put a decent bid in.
Agree with this, and I would add that the timing about Cesc wasn't right. We should have tried to get him before Thiago was sold, but after they sold him it wasn't hard to imagine that they wouldn't be willing to lose 2 great midfielders in the same summer.
None of us are privy to what conversations take place in private. For all we know, United were told that a bid of around that amount would be acceptable, which it seemed to be anyway because it came down to Fabregas to make the decision in the end. Barca didnt tell us to bog off. It was only put to bed when they made him say he was staying
Well said!
Get the stick out Geebs! It's not been wielded in such tyrannical fashion for a while and this thread is dying for it.
The thing is, this bolded statement should be taken as a given to most fans but unfortunately it needs to be stated over and over again. Basically, we know feck all and pretending we know the ins and outs of any of our negotiations so far is absurd. We're 'operating' almost exclusively using assumptions, questionable and contradictory media stories and desperation fueled conjecture.
The manager change at Barca was the death knell to the Fabregas deal imo.
If Fellaini will indeed join United, we won't overpay, that's for sure and there's nothing bad about it. Moyes is a real manager, not a spoiled kid on a spending spree in Toys R Us.
Negotiations shouldn't be harder than Cesc's, so this may easily come to a conclusion, even this week.
Negotiations shouldn't be harder than Cesc's, so this may easily come to a conclusion, even this week.
agreed. I think the new manager gave him assurances that he would not only play, but be fundamentally important to the team.
True but if wanted thiago more, it had to pan out that way.
Barca publicly rejected both our bids geebs. It never came to Fabregas otherwise he'd be here imo. I dont believe we were bidding for a player without knowing whether he'd come if the bid was accepted, that'd be just silly.
Yeah, I think so too. He must have given assurances that would have convinced fabregas that he had a role. Even if he hadnt though, we would have had to bid more than 30mil imo
Spot on.
Some of the rubbish posted on here amazes me. Loads moaning about the club trying to bring in a player of Fabregas' quality - giving it the "its a waste of time/we should be looking at more realistic targets" bullshit. We're Man United, and there was a good chance he might want to come. He didnt, but so what, nice to see the club show some ambition.
Now all of the Fellaini haters are back. If Moyes rates him then thats good enough for me. he managed him for long enough.
The best is a Spurs fan being condescending about the whole thing. Spurs were more of a one man team that I've ever seen last year, and he might be doing off so any decent work they've done in the transfer market might be quickly undone - especially if Levy does his usual trick of waiting until a few days before the window shuts leaving the manager no time to spend.
off course they publically reject bids, everyone does. The fact is, his manager said it was up to Fabregas (though he later tried to retract that statement), and then a press conference was arranged for Fabregas to make his statement. Only then did it all die down.
As said in the post above, I believe that the new manager gave him certain assurances. If not for the change of management, I believe we would have bagged him at the price of our last bid
Agree with that. The club will have spoken to his agents and he must have shown some inclination. The fact that it rumbled on so lng tells you a lot - he could have come out after the first bid and categorically stated he wasnt interested, but hie didnt.
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