Very few United fans are thinking about winning the title, top 4 will be a big ask. But while there is a danger of RAWK-style delusion, the big difference is that United have actually won titles in recent decades.
The Title Race 2013/14
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As well as Liverpool are playing - and the do look extremely impressive - I'm still not of the view that they can or will win the title. One of Arsenal, Chelsea and City will win it, I don't really see anyone else coming into the equation.
Talk of United winning the title is laughable.
Talk of United winning the title is laughable.
The thing is though, last years levels weren't actually particularly high, infact at times we were really, really poor. I agree that Carrick and RvP will certainly help but many of last seasons games were won because of the never say die attitude the players had under SAF, under Moyes, can we really say we'll have the same?
Even if we get to that level, which wasn't actually that high in terms of performance but was great in terms of results, we're too far behind to make up so much grouund.
No we're not. Providing we do our stuff the teams above us simply have to give up 30 odd points just from playing each other. The is not over yet.
I don't think we'll win it but I'm still confident of a top 4 finish.
I was trying to convince myself that we're still in the title race but then I realised that even if we win 20 of our remaining 22 games we'd only end up with 85 points.
Liverpool won't win it will they?
I keep hoping for them to fall apart but they keep on getting better
I keep hoping for them to fall apart but they keep on getting better
Arsenal's March fixtures will be their downfall. They've Stoke away, potentially an FA Cup quarter-final, Swansea home, Munich away, Tottenham away, Chelsea away and City home. fecked. 
Chelsea have not impressed me at all. Every game is a grind for them. What they did that we haven't managed to is grind out wins when we should have. Notably against Soton and Cardiff.
Its not massive - yes. But its not doom mongering. To expect to catch up one or maybe even two teams from 8-10 points behind is fine. But to expect four teams - all of whom have shown better form and consistency is a stretch by any imagination. If you actually do look at the current top four, you'd realise that we have a tough task of breaking into that 4. City and Chelsea have a better squad than us. Arsenal and Liverpool have shown better form than us for not only the first half of this season but the entire calendar year. That's a long enough sample size to prove that they can sustain such form. We'd seriously do well to topple all four of them.
Point taken. I' was actually getting s bit more ticked off with people brushing off Liverpool as if they're a non-entity destined to eventually slip out of the top 4. Whilst that might happen, they have been playing very well for the better part of the year. 81 points in the last 38 games or so. The arrogance that some teams are poorer than us and hence destined to finish below us despite contrary evidence is RAWKish.
That was my previous point. Fergie had this group playing as a cohesive unit, and if Moyes gets the right formula then our momentum could snowball.
Hopefully, he'll be doing exceptionally well to get RvP and Carrick playing like they were last season again though.
Arsenal lose and draw over the Christmas period.
City are guaranteed to lose one.
Chelsea will falter again.
Liverpool's momentum will come to a halt.
Basing this on us winning our games between now and 1st week of the new year, if we are within 6 points of the leaders, it is most certainly in us to go for the league. I just hope we haven't left ourselves with too much to do
City are guaranteed to lose one.
Chelsea will falter again.
Liverpool's momentum will come to a halt.
Basing this on us winning our games between now and 1st week of the new year, if we are within 6 points of the leaders, it is most certainly in us to go for the league. I just hope we haven't left ourselves with too much to do
A lot of football fans struggle to see past current form, and the way that this season is going. It used to be that you couldn't lose more than 6 games to win the title, and more recently it has been three or four. This season a team could quite easily lose 8 games and still win this.
The sensible money says that United have no chance to win the title this season. It is very unlikely of course, but in this crazy season any team that can put together five or six wins will make up points on everybody else, and possibly a lot of them.
My personal view is that City will sort out their away form and win it by at least half a dozen points, but if United can get within 5 by the end of January then it would be a good platform for us.
The sensible money says that United have no chance to win the title this season. It is very unlikely of course, but in this crazy season any team that can put together five or six wins will make up points on everybody else, and possibly a lot of them.
My personal view is that City will sort out their away form and win it by at least half a dozen points, but if United can get within 5 by the end of January then it would be a good platform for us.
We were shite last year. The best of a bad bunch. I'm hoping we can play much much better than last year !
City should win it fairly comfortably.
However, i think we'll find ourselves back in contention by early January, and expect us to finish in the top 3.
Liverpool are an interesting one, but i think they are riding a wave of no pressure football, looking at their squad logic suggests they'll drop off dramatically.
As will Arsenal who i probably controversially think will face a battle for top 4 by May...
However, i think we'll find ourselves back in contention by early January, and expect us to finish in the top 3.
Liverpool are an interesting one, but i think they are riding a wave of no pressure football, looking at their squad logic suggests they'll drop off dramatically.
As will Arsenal who i probably controversially think will face a battle for top 4 by May...
Wasn't a vintage United side, but its not right to say a side that won the league by double digits last year was shite. Fergie simply squeezed as much out of the players as is humanly possible and had them playing like a cohesive unit for most of the year. Moyes can do the same if he gets the balance right.
Yet, we always seemed to be able to get goals, quite a lot of goals. And I'm not buying the idea that Van Persie got 30 goals out of nothing.
How can both the Liverpool, City and Chelsea ones all happen?
I've been saying for awhile that there's no point making judgements til the halfway point. Nothing illustrates this more than Liverpool's 18th and 19th fixtures.
Draws?
I'm willing to be a sizeable amount of money that if Arsenal do win the league with 80 points or so, that nobody at all talks about their title win in the terms like those above. Whereas a United side who would almost certainly have set a record for PL wins if they hadn't had the title wrapped up by March were (according to a great many) merely lucky to come up against a City side that wasn't, what, the best side in PL history? Such revisionist bollocks.
How can they not?
Chelsea can easily lose/draw to Swansea or draw against Arsenal (They won't lose against Arsenal)
City and Liverpool can easily be a draw.
It's not a forgone conclusion you will beat Cardiff
I don't hold much hope for Fulham against City but with City's away form, anything is possible.
All adds up to points dropped and we can cut the gap if we do our job
Unless of course you mean, yourselves, Chelsea and City will go on a winning streak throughout Christmas and the new year period and your asking how could that not happen
Draws in those games for us would be brilliant results, not poor ones.
Who said they'd be poor results for you?
You said our momentum would come to a halt implying that we would be in for a run of bad results.
I didn't imply that.
You have been on a great run of results the last while. No question about that. But with the exception of the Spurs game, you haven't been that impressive. I'm implying you won't keep on winning games 4-1 and 5-0 and disposing of teams as easily as that
We weren't impressive against Norwich or Cardiff? feck me, if that's what you call unimpressive you must expect us to walk the ball into the net.
You didn't read my post did you?
They're the only team in the title race with no other trophy to go for. I wouldn't be surprised if their title challenge lasts the season, especially with Suarez as good as he is.
Your post contradicted yourself. You say we're on a great run, but then go onto say that we haven't been impressive.
Clearly.We've got a higher standard of football here at united
I said games I saw you in! Against Everton, us, Villa, Newcastle, Swansea, Arsenal, Hull City, you lot were dogshit!
Just because you beat Norwich 5-1, like you seem to do every year, doesn't mean you're this force.
You say you were impressive against Cardiff but you haven't even played them yet this season!
You hammered Norwich, West Ham and Spurs. They were great results and you are on a good run. But 3 games doesn't account for some of the crap you have played this season. Just like if Moyes wins his next 2 games, it doesn't account for how bad we've been
Yeah that should be West ham.
Comparison for common games played. Read the horizontal.
Games against Top6. Utd not in Top6, so more likely to have more games played.
6 Man Utd 4H, 2A.
4 Man City 3H, 1A.
3 Arsenal 2H, 1A; Chelsea 1H, 2A; Liverpool 0H, 3A.
Games against Top6. Utd not in Top6, so more likely to have more games played.
6 Man Utd 4H, 2A.
4 Man City 3H, 1A.
3 Arsenal 2H, 1A; Chelsea 1H, 2A; Liverpool 0H, 3A.
Havent you guys learnt how suicidal all this match predicting thing is?
It was laid down after the City game that Brom, Sunderland, Soton, Stoke Fulham would likely be 15/15 points, it was 10/15
It was then laid down that after the Spurs game, Everton/Newcastle at home were likely 6 points, it was 0.
They are always done with the most positive spin possible. Of course its possible it may happen, but not very likely that all those results will occur.
It was laid down after the City game that Brom, Sunderland, Soton, Stoke Fulham would likely be 15/15 points, it was 10/15
It was then laid down that after the Spurs game, Everton/Newcastle at home were likely 6 points, it was 0.
They are always done with the most positive spin possible. Of course its possible it may happen, but not very likely that all those results will occur.
United would have to rely on us and City losing 3 more games/drawing 4 and also United beating Chelsea, Arsenal, Newcastle, Southampton, Everton away, plus Liverpool, City,Spurs at home.
Then theres the matter of other medium level tough away games that United sometimes struggle at like West Ham, Stoke, and West Brom.
Then theres the matter of other medium level tough away games that United sometimes struggle at like West Ham, Stoke, and West Brom.
United will not win the league, simply not good enough.
Have already lost 5 and will lose at least 3 more, in saying that nothing that 2-3 players wont put right.
City will win the league.
Have already lost 5 and will lose at least 3 more, in saying that nothing that 2-3 players wont put right.
City will win the league.
If Suarez keeps on going, we're in it.
nah...don't think so, you just don't have the depth in squad at the moment to deal with March onwards....however, next year, yeah, I reckon you will be real contenders..
They are not in Europe, that is a big plus.