You are all talking like we are manager less at the moment
True, we'd be a bit higher up the league if we were.Who would you have as our new manager
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik @Rood and Imran @Annihilate Now! start with the good news by celebrating Manchester United Women's emphatic FA Cup win over Spurs at Wembley and the future of manager Marc Skinner.
Then it's the bad news and the ever worsening form of our Men with losses to Arsenal and Palace.
Finally the main debate - ETH Out now or keep him until the end of the season - if not longer. Are you Team Nik or Team Imran?
True, we'd be a bit higher up the league if we were.Well if you asked any utd or Everton fans who has been a different class then you would only get one answer....Everton fans would never take Moyes and his ultra safe and dull ways ever back again after experiencing Martinez and they will tell you in no uncertain terms about that fact......Martinez beat a team of zillionaires in the FA Cup final last year with a team of relegation level players apart from McCarthy........Moyes has been in an FA cup final and lost..........I was all for Moyes due to his integrity and work ethic and I still think he can be a huge success but I am absolutely certain that a manager like Martinez would have spotted and resolved the weakness's in the team right away last summer and would have attracted the players needed unlike Moyes who could not attract anyone while pretty much writting off this season with the excuse that he needs to wait till the summer transfer window to right all the 'wrongs'.....
My worry about Moyes and his dull tactics too are that although he is acknowledged as the hardest working manager in the game.....it's possible he is not a born winner and that can be the main factor in what separates the likes of Fergie and Mourinho from the rest etc
We may as well be.You are all talking like we are manager less at the moment
Moyes will still be manager at the start of next season so you had all better get used to it!
I'll get used to it, doesn't mean I have to be happy about it. Still think he won't last next season.
Of course he will, doesn't mean it's right however.
That's what has me concerned more than anything, it obvious we're going to carry on with him next year, I wonder how long this could last and how much unrepairable damage this could potentally leave before the stubborn "We're superior" mentality shatters by our clubs decision makers.
I we didn't get 3 points of Fulham at the weekend things could change....but I think he will scrape through enough home games to hold onto his job even though I would bet my house that we won't make the top 4 this season.......
The hard part for Moyes is knowing that he has already lost about half of the dressing room with senior players such as Rio, RVP and Vidic etc all seemingly desperate to move on from Utdin the summer.......so getting the players back on his side will be mission impossible if he keeps playing a style of football that even Alardyce and Pulis would be ashamed of
Effectively we are so...what's your point?You are all talking like we are manager less at the moment
That's why we are moaning here. If we know that he won't, we all will be happy and wake up in summer.
We battered them for about 20 minutes at Craven Cottage. Then Moyes decided we our football was too adventurous and reined in the team so we sat on 3-0 for the rest of the match.
He hasn't been given enough time to determine if he's the right man for the job though, thats the problem. He'll be backed in the transfer market over the summer and if at this point next season we are still performing like this, and in a similar league position, then he'll rightly be under pressure. If he does go (and I don't think he will) whoever took over would be left with a stronger squad to take over than he has so I don't see the problem. I don't want United to fall into the managerial merry-go-round like other clubs. The consistency we had under Ferguson is what kept us up there while the other teams dropped away. Anyone who thinks we could seamlessly transition from as manager who had been at United for 26 years is fooling themselves.
I'm not disputing that though, I'm just saying that it's not much of a compliment. Saying Martinez has been better than Moyes would be like saying Fellaini is a better midfielder than Kleberson. Perfectly accurate and all but doesn't change the fact that neither are good enough for us (arguably in Fellainis case obviously).
But you are saying Martinez would be a good fit when there is nothing to suggest that he is any more of a winner than Moyes is. Neither of them have proven themselves at the highest level. One good cup run doesn't change that, especially not when the team he done it with subsequently got relegated. Harry Redknapp can boast the exact same achievement after all.
I'm thinking somewhat similar, though 2 years without champions league revenue on the trot could be dire, the problem is, we're thinking he'll improve the squad by us throwing money at the problem, but we're not certain to retain Rooney just yet, similarly Van Persie by all accounts is mulling his options, we've already spent towards the 70million mark, how much are we going to give Moyes this summer? another 70-100mill? by which point if we still see no signs of improval this time next year and forced to bring in another manager, how much are we going to have to give this new guy once more to build the team in the new guys vision?
Our squad, contrary to popular belief is not woefully inadequate, its a 3rd-4th place talent wise at worst, then even if we're able to get into the top 4 next year, we're still left with the issue if Moyes even understands how to play progressive fast pace pass and move football thats required by our fans, his style so far seems to be a throwback to an early 90's horror show.
I've seen nothing in his time in his 10 years at Everton that he's capeable of playing good football.
Well Martinez has a cup at least in his cupboard.....and it was one that he won against all the odds.....so if you have won even 1 cup then it shows potential of being a winner.............and Wigan always played nice football no matter who they were playing....And main difference between Redknaap and Martinez again would be that Martinez would have more pulling power with top young foreign talents and also has Everton fighting for a Champions league place playing very nice football on a shoe string budget........Harry always seemed to need to spend big bucks like Moyes seems only able to do before getting Spurs on one occasion into the top 4
If you are saying get rid of Moyes in case he wastes the money he'll be given, surely you could say that about any manager though? The players we've been linked with and Moyes has been seen watching, suggest he's looking at the right kind of players I'd say.
The squad has had obvious weaknesses for the past couple of seasons. Evra is a huge defensive liability and our central midfield options are probably the worst of all the top clubs. Not to mention our wingers have been dogshit for a while as well.
We won the league last season due to the genius of Ferguson and the weakness of Chelsea and City. And obviously the stability in terms of manager and backroom staff etc. The squad is a top 4 squad I'd agree with that but these aren't normal circumstances either. Not to mention he's been hugely unlucky with injuries this season.
1) Jürgen Klopp
First of all, Klopp is crazy. Borderline insane. But he's the closest thing you'll find to a modern day SAF. His tactics are wonderful counter attacking football with a lot of directness in it. It reminds me of us a few years back. At Mainz he rescued them from being relegated from the 2. Bundesliga and had one of the most succesfull spells in Mainz history with them. He was so impressive that Bayern Munich had him as one of the main contenders for their new manager, but ultimately deciding going with Klinsmann, who could be the closest thing I've ever witnessed to the Moyes debacle we are seeing right now. What he did with Dortmund is well documented. His training methods are so impressive too. I've watched documents about him and his success and his training methods are so modern and are a huge part of his/Dortmund success.
I think we really could have a chance in getting him. He just signed a new contract, I know that but just look at the Bundesliga. He has done everything he could there. Bayern simply will rule this league until the Bundesliga found a solution to stop them. I mean how gutting must it be to lose world class players every year? Götze, Lewandowski, Kagawa (at that time he was), this summer probably Gündogan, maybe even Hummels and Reus. United and him would be a match made in heaven.
2) Diego Simeone
Just how good is playing Atletico with him as their manager? Yes, Real and Barcelona aren't THAT strong this season but just watch them play and be amazed. Fast, pressing football with so much work rate and skill. He has turned good players into world class performers. Arda Turan, Koke, Diego Costa are playing out of their mind for him and it's really nice to see another club besides the top2 fighting for La Liga. With all the money Real and Barca spent the last years it's so much more impressive than when Benitez did win La Liga with Valencia. He won the Cup and the Europe League. He's a proven winner and his player adore him. If he can do that much with a cash strapped Atletico, just imagine what he could do with us?
Both have the quality and the CV to be a Manchester United manager. I mean we still have Moyes but if you compare what they have achieved and how their sides played it's just awfully clear that they are simply in a different class.
First of all, Klopp is crazy. Borderline insane. But he's the closest thing you'll find to a modern day SAF. His tactics are wonderful counter attacking football with a lot of directness in it. It reminds me of us a few years back. At Mainz he rescued them from being relegated from the 2. Bundesliga and had one of the most succesfull spells in Mainz history with them. He was so impressive that Bayern Munich had him as one of the main contenders for their new manager, but ultimately deciding going with Klinsmann, who could be the closest thing I've ever witnessed to the Moyes debacle we are seeing right now. What he did with Dortmund is well documented. His training methods are so impressive too. I've watched documents about him and his success and his training methods are so modern and are a huge part of his/Dortmund success.
I think we really could have a chance in getting him. He just signed a new contract, I know that but just look at the Bundesliga. He has done everything he could there. Bayern simply will rule this league until the Bundesliga found a solution to stop them. I mean how gutting must it be to lose world class players every year? Götze, Lewandowski, Kagawa (at that time he was), this summer probably Gündogan, maybe even Hummels and Reus. United and him would be a match made in heaven.
2) Diego Simeone
Just how good is playing Atletico with him as their manager? Yes, Real and Barcelona aren't THAT strong this season but just watch them play and be amazed. Fast, pressing football with so much work rate and skill. He has turned good players into world class performers. Arda Turan, Koke, Diego Costa are playing out of their mind for him and it's really nice to see another club besides the top2 fighting for La Liga. With all the money Real and Barca spent the last years it's so much more impressive than when Benitez did win La Liga with Valencia. He won the Cup and the Europe League. He's a proven winner and his player adore him. If he can do that much with a cash strapped Atletico, just imagine what he could do with us?
Both have the quality and the CV to be a Manchester United manager. I mean we still have Moyes but if you compare what they have achieved and how their sides played it's just awfully clear that they are simply in a different class.
All teams cope with injuries. Moyes is just not good enough for United.
We wasted the opportunity to appoint Mourinho. By all accounts he was gagging to come to a club whose size and repute matched that of his ego. It's rather sad to see how pathetic Moyes has been thus far into his tenure - well into the second half of the league season, and he's still (apparently) not got a fecking clue what his best side is and how to get the best out of his players.
I won't be surprised if there are meetings going on as we speak via telly conferencing... and accountants are involved. I truly believe that Sir Alex will make the right decision/give the best advice after all even it means admitting he's made a mistake (or just that Moyes let us all down by being mediocre)
But Moyes would still be the only person who can save us... by resigning as soon as possible, that is.
I would want Ancelotti, he'd be a real top class manager for us. Nobody stays at Real too long so I'd really love him here in a few years.
Gives bayern more time to steal Dortmund players from Klopp and make it easier for us to get him, silver lining and all.
You'd think Klopp would get fed up losing his best players to Bayern eventually and that they will not alway be so fortunate in finding great replacements.
Totally agree.
If Moyes can't turn it around then my choices would be Klop, Simeone or even Martinez.
Get Guus Hiddink in to steady the ship, and most importantly, he's available NOW. He was fantastic at Chelsea and the fans and players begged him to continue there but he had to honour his contract with Russia.
He's 67 but he's good for a couple of years until Mourinho and Roman clashes again.(*)
* One can only hope Sir Bobby has resigned from the board by then due to age.
He's 67 but he's good for a couple of years until Mourinho and Roman clashes again.(*)
* One can only hope Sir Bobby has resigned from the board by then due to age.
No need to get someone to steady the ship. A) Moyes ain't going any time soon, so we'll have had plenty of time to get a long term appointment if he does go and B) He isn't going to do that much damage while he's here. Hell, our problems might drive us on to make more Mataesque signings than we ordinarily would.
As for people suggesting Martinez, did you not learn your lesson from Moyes? No more unproven managers, which Martinez certainly is.
If and when Moyes does go we should start at the top of the managerial ladder (Guardiola, Mourinho, Ancelotti) and work our way down from there. We'll need near guarenteed quality, not a punt on unproven talent.
As for people suggesting Martinez, did you not learn your lesson from Moyes? No more unproven managers, which Martinez certainly is.
If and when Moyes does go we should start at the top of the managerial ladder (Guardiola, Mourinho, Ancelotti) and work our way down from there. We'll need near guarenteed quality, not a punt on unproven talent.
We could always let DM choose his successor.
Seriously though, it would depend entirely on who was available at that particular time and whether a particular manager fitted into our philosophy as regards playing style. Choosing a new manager has always been a hit or miss exercise - how many managers have you seen who are successful at one club then go to another and are nothing short of a disaster for no obvious reason?
Seriously though, it would depend entirely on who was available at that particular time and whether a particular manager fitted into our philosophy as regards playing style. Choosing a new manager has always been a hit or miss exercise - how many managers have you seen who are successful at one club then go to another and are nothing short of a disaster for no obvious reason?
Not that many, Benitez at Inter I guess.
The likes of Mourinho, Ancelotti & co have all moved every so often and been very successful.
Don't want Laudrup. He'd probably quit in the middle of the season because he was winning too much. Seems someone who doesn't want to deal with pressure. Just wants to get in, do something amazy and get out before he has to expand on it. Managerial history bears this out.
Winning too much?
Swansea have been on a horrendous run.
Swansea have been on a horrendous run.
I'm expanding it to his entire history. Not just Swansea. Apparently that's the longest he's been at one club apart from his first job at Brondby. And people say Mourinho moves around.Winning too much?
Swansea have been on a horrendous run.
So the pool of managers should be limited to people Ferguson knows even if someone else might be a better fit?
What evidence do you have to possibly suggest this?
Suggest what exactly? The second line wasn't particularly serious but the rest is. Swansea's the second longest he's been at a club. Other jobs he's had he's either failed and got sacked quickly or left quickly after achieving something. Apart from Brondby.
Someone with European pedigree. Someone who's been there, done it, beaten Madrid and Milan. That's the calibre of boss we need imo.
Klopp, just so I can push my song for him.
Klopp Klopp
Fizz Fizz
Oh what a relief he issss!
Klopp Klopp
Fizz Fizz
Oh what a relief he issss!
Yup, Van Gaal is available after the World Cup as well, and those 2 are as good and as experienced as they get. If we don't get him then he's more then likely going to spurs from what I read. There's not many top class managers who are without a job or are leaving for sure at the end of the season, but they are there. If we wanted a risk, we should have gone for somebody who has united connections or somebody who has won titles or played attacking football in smaller leagues. Moyes was about as good of an option as pardew or o'neill would have been after his villa days. Villa even played better and more attacking football then Everton under moyes.
O'Neil was seriously shit. Aston Villa played much better than Everton but also spent like lunatics in transfer market.
I think that Moyes is better than him, and is somewhere on the level of Redknapp (slightly better than Hodgson/Pardew).