KiD MoYeS
Good Craig got his c'nuppins
True, we'd be a bit higher up the league if we were.You are all talking like we are manager less at the moment
True, we'd be a bit higher up the league if we were.You are all talking like we are manager less at the moment
Well if you asked any utd or Everton fans who has been a different class then you would only get one answer....Everton fans would never take Moyes and his ultra safe and dull ways ever back again after experiencing Martinez and they will tell you in no uncertain terms about that fact......Martinez beat a team of zillionaires in the FA Cup final last year with a team of relegation level players apart from McCarthy........Moyes has been in an FA cup final and lost..........I was all for Moyes due to his integrity and work ethic and I still think he can be a huge success but I am absolutely certain that a manager like Martinez would have spotted and resolved the weakness's in the team right away last summer and would have attracted the players needed unlike Moyes who could not attract anyone while pretty much writting off this season with the excuse that he needs to wait till the summer transfer window to right all the 'wrongs'.....What's bizarre about thinking that Martinez is unproven at the highest level? or that he's not good enough for a team that challenges for league titles/competes in Europe?
Praising him by saying he's been a different class to Moyes is a terrible compliment by the way.
We may as well be.You are all talking like we are manager less at the moment
I'll get used to it, doesn't mean I have to be happy about it. Still think he won't last next season.Moyes will still be manager at the start of next season so you had all better get used to it!
Of course he will, doesn't mean it's right however.Moyes will still be manager at the start of next season so you had all better get used to it!
That's what has me concerned more than anything, it obvious we're going to carry on with him next year, I wonder how long this could last and how much unrepairable damage this could potentally leave before the stubborn "We're superior" mentality shatters by our clubs decision makers.Moyes will still be manager at the start of next season so you had all better get used to it!
I we didn't get 3 points of Fulham at the weekend things could change....but I think he will scrape through enough home games to hold onto his job even though I would bet my house that we won't make the top 4 this season.......Moyes will still be manager at the start of next season so you had all better get used to it!
Effectively we are so...what's your point?You are all talking like we are manager less at the moment
That's why we are moaning here. If we know that he won't, we all will be happy and wake up in summer.Moyes will still be manager at the start of next season so you had all better get used to it!
We battered them for about 20 minutes at Craven Cottage. Then Moyes decided we our football was too adventurous and reined in the team so we sat on 3-0 for the rest of the match.We have to beat Fulham. Seriously, even with Moyes. Even if Phil Neville takes charge of the team for that game. They're shite, they just got their asses kicked by Southampton and they always crumble at Old Trafford. Surely even Moyes can't break that record?
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Oh God, what have I done. Now we'll lose 3-0, won't we?
He hasn't been given enough time to determine if he's the right man for the job though, thats the problem. He'll be backed in the transfer market over the summer and if at this point next season we are still performing like this, and in a similar league position, then he'll rightly be under pressure. If he does go (and I don't think he will) whoever took over would be left with a stronger squad to take over than he has so I don't see the problem. I don't want United to fall into the managerial merry-go-round like other clubs. The consistency we had under Ferguson is what kept us up there while the other teams dropped away. Anyone who thinks we could seamlessly transition from as manager who had been at United for 26 years is fooling themselves.That's what has me concerned more than anything, it obvious we're going to carry on with him next year, I wonder how long this could last and how much unrepairable damage this could potentally leave before the stubborn "We're superior" mentality snaps by our clubs decision makers.
I'm not disputing that though, I'm just saying that it's not much of a compliment. Saying Martinez has been better than Moyes would be like saying Fellaini is a better midfielder than Kleberson. Perfectly accurate and all but doesn't change the fact that neither are good enough for us (arguably in Fellainis case obviously).Well if you asked any utd or Everton fans who has been a different class then you would only get one answer...
But you are saying Martinez would be a good fit when there is nothing to suggest that he is any more of a winner than Moyes is. Neither of them have proven themselves at the highest level. One good cup run doesn't change that, especially not when the team he done it with subsequently got relegated. Harry Redknapp can boast the exact same achievement after all.My worry about Moyes and his dull tactics too are that although he is acknowledged as the hardest working manager in the game.....it's possible he is not a born winner and that can be the main factor in what separates the likes of Fergie and Mourinho from the rest etc
I'm thinking somewhat similar, though 2 years without champions league revenue on the trot could be dire, the problem is, we're thinking he'll improve the squad by us throwing money at the problem, but we're not certain to retain Rooney just yet, similarly Van Persie by all accounts is mulling his options, we've already spent towards the 70million mark, how much are we going to give Moyes this summer? another 70-100mill? by which point if we still see no signs of improval this time next year and forced to bring in another manager, how much are we going to have to give this new guy once more to build the team in the new guys vision?He hasn't been given enough time to determine if he's the right man for the job though, thats the problem. He'll be backed in the transfer market over the summer and if at this point next season we are still performing like this, and in a similar league position, then he'll rightly be under pressure. If he does go (and I don't think he will) whoever took over would be left with a stronger squad to take over than he has so I don't see the problem. I don't want United to fall into the managerial merry-go-round like other clubs. The consistency we had under Ferguson is what kept us up there while the other teams dropped away. Anyone who thinks we could seamlessly transition from as manager who had been at United for 26 years is fooling themselves.
Well Martinez has a cup at least in his cupboard.....and it was one that he won against all the odds.....so if you have won even 1 cup then it shows potential of being a winner.............and Wigan always played nice football no matter who they were playing....And main difference between Redknaap and Martinez again would be that Martinez would have more pulling power with top young foreign talents and also has Everton fighting for a Champions league place playing very nice football on a shoe string budget........Harry always seemed to need to spend big bucks like Moyes seems only able to do before getting Spurs on one occasion into the top 4I'm not disputing that though, I'm just saying that it's not much of a compliment. Saying Martinez has been better than Moyes would be like saying Fellaini is a better midfielder than Kleberson. Perfectly accurate and all but doesn't change the fact that neither are good enough for us (arguably in Fellainis case obviously).
But you are saying Martinez would be a good fit when there is nothing to suggest that he is any more of a winner than Moyes is. Neither of them have proven themselves at the highest level. One good cup run doesn't change that, especially not when the team he done it with subsequently got relegated. Harry Redknapp can boast the exact same achievement after all.
If you are saying get rid of Moyes in case he wastes the money he'll be given, surely you could say that about any manager though? The players we've been linked with and Moyes has been seen watching, suggest he's looking at the right kind of players I'd say.I'm thinking somewhat similar, though 2 years without champions league revenue on the trot could be dire, the problem is, we're thinking he'll improve the squad by us throwing money at the problem, but we're not certain to retain Rooney just yet, similarly Van Persie by all accounts is mulling his options, we've already spent towards the 70million mark, how much are we going to give Moyes this summer? another 70-100mill? by which point if we still see no signs of improval this time next year and forced to bring in another manager, how much are we going to have to give this new guy once more to build the team in the new guys vision?
Our squad, contrary to popular belief is not woefully inadequate, its a 3rd-4th place talent wise at worst, then even if we're able to get into the top 4 next year, we're still left with the issue if Moyes even understands how to play progressive fast pace pass and move football thats required by our fans, his style so far seems to be a throwback to an early 90's horror show.
I've seen nothing in his time in his 10 years at Everton that he's capeable of playing good football.
I won't be surprised if there are meetings going on as we speak via telly conferencing... and accountants are involved. I truly believe that Sir Alex will make the right decision/give the best advice after all even it means admitting he's made a mistake (or just that Moyes let us all down by being mediocre)I really hope it isn't. But I would imagine the man has a lot of clout in the boardroom. Let's hope the Glazers start worrying about their future income stream.
But Moyes would still be the only person who can save us... by resigning as soon as possible, that is.All teams cope with injuries. Moyes is just not good enough for United.
Gives bayern more time to steal Dortmund players from Klopp and make it easier for us to get him, silver lining and all.Moyes will still be manager at the start of next season so you had all better get used to it!
You'd think Klopp would get fed up losing his best players to Bayern eventually and that they will not alway be so fortunate in finding great replacements.Gives bayern more time to steal Dortmund players from Klopp and make it easier for us to get him, silver lining and all.
Totally agree.But Moyes would still be the only person who can save us... by resigning as soon as possible, that is.
Not that many, Benitez at Inter I guess.We could always let DM choose his successor.
Seriously though, it would depend entirely on who was available at that particular time and whether a particular manager fitted into our philosophy as regards playing style. Choosing a new manager has always been a hit or miss exercise - how many managers have you seen who are successful at one club then go to another and are nothing short of a disaster for no obvious reason?
I'm expanding it to his entire history. Not just Swansea. Apparently that's the longest he's been at one club apart from his first job at Brondby. And people say Mourinho moves around.Winning too much?
Swansea have been on a horrendous run.
So the pool of managers should be limited to people Ferguson knows even if someone else might be a better fit?I've also said on a number of occasions that Sir Alex Ferguson knows better than anyone what it takes to manage this club. It's not just about what you've won at a club, it's your personality. He knows Moyes very well and obviously thought he'd be the most suitable manager for the club.
What evidence do you have to possibly suggest this?Don't want Laudrup. He'd probably quit in the middle of the season because he was winning too much. Seems someone who doesn't want to deal with pressure. Just wants to get in, do something amazy and get out before he has to expand on it. Managerial history bears this out.
Suggest what exactly? The second line wasn't particularly serious but the rest is. Swansea's the second longest he's been at a club. Other jobs he's had he's either failed and got sacked quickly or left quickly after achieving something. Apart from Brondby.What evidence do you have to possibly suggest this?
Yup, Van Gaal is available after the World Cup as well, and those 2 are as good and as experienced as they get. If we don't get him then he's more then likely going to spurs from what I read. There's not many top class managers who are without a job or are leaving for sure at the end of the season, but they are there. If we wanted a risk, we should have gone for somebody who has united connections or somebody who has won titles or played attacking football in smaller leagues. Moyes was about as good of an option as pardew or o'neill would have been after his villa days. Villa even played better and more attacking football then Everton under moyes.Get Guus Hiddink in to steady the ship, and most importantly, he's available NOW. He was fantastic at Chelsea and the fans and players begged him to continue there but he had to honour his contract with Russia.
He's 67 but he's good for a couple of years until Mourinho and Roman clashes again.(*)
* One can only hope Sir Bobby has resigned from the board by then due to age.
O'Neil was seriously shit. Aston Villa played much better than Everton but also spent like lunatics in transfer market.Yup, Van Gaal is available after the World Cup as well, and those 2 are as good and as experienced as they get. If we don't get him then he's more then likely going to spurs from what I read. There's not many top class managers who are without a job or are leaving for sure at the end of the season, but they are there. If we wanted a risk, we should have gone for somebody who has united connections or somebody who has won titles or played attacking football in smaller leagues. Moyes was about as good of an option as pardew or o'neill would have been after his villa days. Villa even played better and more attacking football then Everton under moyes.