Mourinho wants the United job, clearly. He could easily engineer himself a sacking if he wanted!!
Who would you have as our new manager
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik @Rood and Imran @Annihilate Now! start with the good news by celebrating Manchester United Women's emphatic FA Cup win over Spurs at Wembley and the future of manager Marc Skinner.
Then it's the bad news and the ever worsening form of our Men with losses to Arsenal and Palace.
Finally the main debate - ETH Out now or keep him until the end of the season - if not longer. Are you Team Nik or Team Imran?
So, we're going to have to rely on the Glazers getting worried, or the players revolting. A combination of both would do it. And a manager to step in in the interim to rescue this team from depravity.
I'm not being smart, but it's not up to Fergie.
Maybe that's why he sold us Mata???
feck...you just have to laugh at the state of our affairs.I really hope it isn't. But I would imagine the man has a lot of clout in the boardroom. Let's hope the Glazers start worrying about their future income stream.
Occam's razor states that among competing hypotheses, the hypothesis with the fewest assumptions should be selected.
The only reasonable conclusion is therefore his nationality.
Wanted I think is more accurate.
Once he made the decision to go to Chelsea that was it for his United dream. At least until Abramovic wants another toy.
He should be losing clout though after appointing Moyes. He surely wouldn't have the same clout at this stage? I dunno.
Probably not but contracts are there to be bought out. Never say Never!!!!
He still does. He refuses to say anything bad about United, whilst badmouthing every other team. He definitely still does, it's as clear as day. (not that we are going to get him or anything)
It's definitely possible. All it needs is some inspiration...
Not now. He did that at Madrid already. He loves Chelsea. He aint going to quit Chelsea and come to United.
Mourinho would undoubtedly have been my 1st choice last summer, and he probably represents the closest you can get to a 'sure thing' in football. Guardiola and Klopp are also brilliant of course, but there is absolutely no prospect of any of the 3 leaving in the short term.
Rudi Garcia is currently doing a fantastic job at Roma, having previously managed a very attractive Lille side, but he's only been in the job for 7 months, and with the team looking like certainties for a top 3 finish, he will surely want to take them into the Champions League next season. Conte and Simeone are also doing very good jobs at their respective clubs, but they have each only served 2 full seasons at this level of management, and might still represent something of a risk. I’m not sure either would have much interest in leaving either.
Van Gaal seems to be mentioned a lot as a potential candidate, but like Mourinho he has a reputation for belligerence, and his last big job at Bayern ended in a premature sacking, with the club struggling to secure Champions League qualification, and the manager having reportedly lost the dressingroom. Despite having done a good job so far, a few Oranje fan friends of mine are looking forward to the hastening of his exit from the national team set-up, citing van Gaal's unbearable arrogance as a contributing factor.
Solskjaer and Laudrup would be poor appointments in my view.
If things don’t improve, particularly after Moyes has been given what will presumably be substantial backing in this summer’s transfer market, he would obviously have to go. If anything though, the relative paucity of alternative options available right now, only lends further weight to the general view that Moyes probably has at last 12-18 months to rectify the current problems before his job comes under serious threat.
Rudi Garcia is currently doing a fantastic job at Roma, having previously managed a very attractive Lille side, but he's only been in the job for 7 months, and with the team looking like certainties for a top 3 finish, he will surely want to take them into the Champions League next season. Conte and Simeone are also doing very good jobs at their respective clubs, but they have each only served 2 full seasons at this level of management, and might still represent something of a risk. I’m not sure either would have much interest in leaving either.
Van Gaal seems to be mentioned a lot as a potential candidate, but like Mourinho he has a reputation for belligerence, and his last big job at Bayern ended in a premature sacking, with the club struggling to secure Champions League qualification, and the manager having reportedly lost the dressingroom. Despite having done a good job so far, a few Oranje fan friends of mine are looking forward to the hastening of his exit from the national team set-up, citing van Gaal's unbearable arrogance as a contributing factor.
Solskjaer and Laudrup would be poor appointments in my view.
If things don’t improve, particularly after Moyes has been given what will presumably be substantial backing in this summer’s transfer market, he would obviously have to go. If anything though, the relative paucity of alternative options available right now, only lends further weight to the general view that Moyes probably has at last 12-18 months to rectify the current problems before his job comes under serious threat.
Conte is absolutelly brilliant (well shit happens like that day in Turkey) and he has done a great job with Juve. They were a team who were finishing seventh before him and since he went there (2 years and a half) they have completely dominated Serie A and are going to win the third title in a row. Add to that, he hasn't soend that much at transfers. Most players he signed were either on free (rejects like Pirlo, ogba, Barzagli or Llorente) or for only a few money (Tevez and Vidal). Screw the experience, he would be one of the best choices.
The problem is that he is a big Juve fan and even if we offer him 10m pounds for year, sign Messi and Ronaldo and give unlimited money for transfers, he most likely will thank us but politely refuse the offer. He's at Juve for as long as they want him.
I'd honestly give Carlos Queiroz a go. He's known to be tactically astute and he would command respect from the players.
The Mourinho ship has sailed.
Klopp won't be leaving Dortmund any time soon.
Same goes for Simeone at Athletico.
These one's won't be happening lads, let's look elsewhere. Personally I'd be interested in bringing the Pochettino/Cortese double act to United. From reading about how they've managed Southampton (Cortese in particular), seems like there's a nice combination of ambition, attention to detail and managerial prowess in that duo.
Klopp won't be leaving Dortmund any time soon.
Same goes for Simeone at Athletico.
These one's won't be happening lads, let's look elsewhere. Personally I'd be interested in bringing the Pochettino/Cortese double act to United. From reading about how they've managed Southampton (Cortese in particular), seems like there's a nice combination of ambition, attention to detail and managerial prowess in that duo.
I'm not sure regarding that second point. Only a manager with trophies under his belt or a successful playing career would instantly command respect with top players. Queiroz hasn't done much on his own.
Aye, I agree. But he was highly rated by the players, as well as Sir Alex, when he was here.
I think he still wants it. He's realised that his antics and general ways was the reason he was completely overlooked for the job last time around and since then he's been a completely different animal to the press. He's been respectful, charming and the way he handled the Mata thing was extremely well rehearsed. I think he's got a feeling that the United job will be up for grabs again in 2 or 3 seasons and I wouldn't be surprised if Ferguson has said to him very, very quietly that Charlton would be on board if he can handle himself in a more "United way" in the press.
Common sense would agree with you, I just can't see it.
He might just do a little better each season. 7th this season, 4th next season, 4th again the season after, then 3rd... But I can't see us challenging under Moyes and I think he'll do just enough to keep his job for the long-haul.
We have to beat Fulham. Seriously, even with Moyes. Even if Phil Neville takes charge of the team for that game. They're shite, they just got their asses kicked by Southampton and they always crumble at Old Trafford. Surely even Moyes can't break that record?
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Oh God, what have I done. Now we'll lose 3-0, won't we?
Fulham are 12-1, might put a fiver on it.
He definitely still wants it.
I fully expect us to beat Fulham unconvincingly. But would not be surprised should we drop points again. Such is the new standard set by our manager.
Watching the first half of City vs Chelsea and how Mourinho's set his side up, it makes me almost cry that we passed him over, one of the worst decisions in the history of our club surely?
What really irks me, we passed over managers who may "upset the balance", "force wholesale changes" so we bring in Captain Steady Eddy, who has the squad looking so bad that it looks like we're going to have to throw over a hundred million just so he can keep his job, well why didnt we just give the job to a Mourinho/Pep who'd spend similar money but guarantee results?
If I had to pick a manager right now (realistic, no chance of pulling a Mourinho out of the bag now) I'd go for Martinez, at least with him I'd enjoy going to games and watching our brand of football again.
What really irks me, we passed over managers who may "upset the balance", "force wholesale changes" so we bring in Captain Steady Eddy, who has the squad looking so bad that it looks like we're going to have to throw over a hundred million just so he can keep his job, well why didnt we just give the job to a Mourinho/Pep who'd spend similar money but guarantee results?
If I had to pick a manager right now (realistic, no chance of pulling a Mourinho out of the bag now) I'd go for Martinez, at least with him I'd enjoy going to games and watching our brand of football again.
Just looking through a list of currently unemployed managers here. There's definitely some options in terms of getting in an interim manager.
Jupp Heynckes
Proven winner. Don't know if he'd fancy coming out of retirement, but maybe the allure of Old Trafford on a short term deal might sway him? Certainly be worth a punt.
Marcelo Bielsa
Nutter of a man. Plays progressive football and I believe we'd see near immediate impact from him. Again, worth a punt.
Guus Hiddink
Did well as caretaker of Chelsea. Another who would commend respect from the players.
Frank Rijkaard
Seeks to play attacking football, he's also won the Champions League.
Genuinely think all of these would be available on short term deals and would be an improvement on Moyes.
Jupp Heynckes
Proven winner. Don't know if he'd fancy coming out of retirement, but maybe the allure of Old Trafford on a short term deal might sway him? Certainly be worth a punt.
Marcelo Bielsa
Nutter of a man. Plays progressive football and I believe we'd see near immediate impact from him. Again, worth a punt.
Guus Hiddink
Did well as caretaker of Chelsea. Another who would commend respect from the players.
Frank Rijkaard
Seeks to play attacking football, he's also won the Champions League.
Genuinely think all of these would be available on short term deals and would be an improvement on Moyes.
Not a single manager on your list is even remotely a possibility.....Jupp has retired..more chance of bringing Fergie back out of retirement....Bielsa woudl not be considered seem as he was sacked from his last job........Guus probably would have no interest considering his chelsea links and Rijkaard is already in the football managers scrap heap and was fired by galatasary and saudi arabia in his last jobs
Three managers that might be an option in the summer would be.....
Pottechino
Diego Simeone -if he can speak english
Roberto Martinez - if he would leave Everton which is unlikely after 1 season
So Pottechino would be an obvious choice but Fergie is gonna let Moyes blow the 200 million kitty before realizing he is shit so Moyes will be around at least until Christmas of this year
Pochettino uses an interpreter.
Appointing an unproven mid-table manager was a mistake, why try and correct it by doing the exact same thing again? from the same club no less.
Martinez isn't anywhere near good enough for us.
Bloody hell. Me too!! Would put a smile on my face from another weekend of not watching MOTD.
In my mind I've already accepted post Sir Alex the good times are over, I've swallowed the pill, at least if City/Chelsea are to dominate with their cash then I want to watch top quality attacking football, Martinez installed Swansea's style, played football at Wigan regardless of awful players and hes doing it again at Everton.
I just want to watch good football, is that too much to ask for? I don't want to go 1 down and everyone in the crowd thinking Doooooooom.
Well it's working whatever he is doing...he has been a revelation here and surely his English is getting better and like Martinez last year...won't be long before a big club comes knocking..especially since he is expected to quit southampton at the end of the season
We all want that but it would make more sense to get someone in who could not only do that but has the potential to be top class in the future.
I still think Jurgen Klopp is the best candidate out there. I'd throw lots of money at him and try and get him on board if it was me.
He's shown enough in 6 months to make you think he is only keeping the Everton seat warm until a bigger job comes along....okay he got thumped by Liverpool but that's probably been his only bad result this season and he has been pure class...a different class altogether to Moyes as he can attract outstanding young Spanish speaking players from many continents while also plays a lovely brand of football...and lets not forget...he has beaten Chelsea at home and Man Utd away this season already...something Moyes never achieved in his 10 years as Everton boss...and he has a trophy in his cabinet so your comment is a bit bizarre really
Absolutely no chance of Klopp....he has Dortmund in his veins.....he will do a wenger and stay many years there even when bigger clubs come calling...we need to forget about him
What's bizarre about thinking that Martinez is unproven at the highest level? or that he's not good enough for a team that challenges for league titles/competes in Europe?
Praising him by saying he's been a different class to Moyes is a terrible compliment by the way.
Someone innovative and radical who wouldn't take much time to implement a more modern and fluid football philosophy. For me, that is just as essential as making the signings we desperately crave. If this season is a 'transition' then we want to instantly return a stronger side the following season, instead of another bloody transition.
I'm not entirely sure who the most attainable managers around would be, ideally I'd whittle it down to either Simeone or Klopp, but those two are highly unlikely. There's a few managers in this league that could instantly make the necessary steps in us modernizing our style of play like Pochetinno or Martinez, but the latter would never happen.
I'm probably looking at this from a short-term stance, but we need to improve improve our coaching and management immediately, while missing out on top four is only even more detrimental to our chances of returning to Champions League football - as Liverpool have shown.
I'm not entirely sure who the most attainable managers around would be, ideally I'd whittle it down to either Simeone or Klopp, but those two are highly unlikely. There's a few managers in this league that could instantly make the necessary steps in us modernizing our style of play like Pochetinno or Martinez, but the latter would never happen.
I'm probably looking at this from a short-term stance, but we need to improve improve our coaching and management immediately, while missing out on top four is only even more detrimental to our chances of returning to Champions League football - as Liverpool have shown.
You are all talking like we are manager less at the moment