Bojan11
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I'm pretty sure Liam was dismissing Pellegrinni as a nothing manager at the start of the season.
Meh, he isn't proven. Sending Villareal (a team with a lower budget than Everton) on semi of UCL and getting 95 points with Madrid isn't nothing compared to finishing with Everton fourth in the mighy Premier League. Anyway he was just lucky to have Riquelme, Forlan, Ronaldo etc in his team.I'm pretty sure Liam was dismissing Pellegrinni as a nothing manager at the start of the season.
I wish Moyes could achieve flavour of the week.Meh, he isn't proven. Sending Villareal (a team with a lower budget than Everton) on semi of UCL and getting 95 points with Madrid isn't nothing compared to finishing with Everton fourth in the mighy Premier League. Anyway he was just lucky to have Riquelme, Forlan, Ronaldo etc in his team.
Flavour of the month.
I don't think it'll be Ole, but I'm starting to think Moyes was the sacrificial lamb.I can't help feeling that Moyes is a bit of sacrificial lamb - SAF's successor was always doomed to failure compared to the man himself. Moyes successor will have far less pressure and expectations will be lessened.
Give Ole Gunnar a year or so to prove himself in the premiership and give him a chance?
Yep. Just what United needs. An FA cup and relegation. Proud, impressive moment in history.Tell me, how did Martinez manage to win the fa cup with Wigan? I'm sure all Everton fans would love to sacrifice a few of their 6th or 7th league finishes for 15th placed finishes if it came with a trophy. In the end, what is the thing the fans will remember? A manager keeping them in the premier league for yet another season or winning the fa cup? It's no contest.
Don't you think that with better players he would have done better. Actually he is doing better with better players in Everton.Yep. Just what United needs. An FA cup and relegation. Proud, impressive moment in history.
Stop being obtuse. For a club like Wigan, what do you think the fans will remember? The FA cup win was one of the proudest moment in their history and something they'll always remember, they don't care that they got relegated at the expense of it. They're in a relegation scrap every year so it was always going to be hard for him to keep them up while playing good football and not resorting to long ball tactics. What has Moyes won? Ever? Everton fans have nothing other then the odd win against Liverpool to look back on during Moyes' reign. Every year they finish between 8th and 5th, never threatening to make it to the champions league and never really threatening to win a trophy (other then getting to the final one year). From a club like Everton, that just isn't enough to settle for mid table and not push on in any competition.Yep. Just what United needs. An FA cup and relegation. Proud, impressive moment in history.
You don't give 65m to the sacrificial lamb.I don't think it'll be Ole, but I'm starting to think Moyes was the sacrificial lamb.
It's a fecking tournament. Tournaments are mostly won by the luck of the draw. Tournament managing is nothing like season managing. He's been shit year in and year out, often underperforming. Teams that are wildly inconsistent. Having amazing months, then turning to crap for no reason. His career has been rather mystifying as to why he can get players to perform well, then suddenly have them turn to shit.Stop being obtuse. For a club like Wigan, what do you think the fans will remember? The FA cup win was one of the proudest moment in their history and something they'll always remember, they don't care that they got relegated at the expense of it. They're in a relegation scrap every year so it was always going to be hard for him to keep them up while playing good football and not resorting to long ball tactics. What has Moyes won? Ever? Everton fans have nothing other then the odd win against Liverpool to look back on during Moyes' reign. Every year they finish between 8th and 5th, never threatening to make it to the champions league and never really threatening to win a trophy (other then getting to the final one year). From a club like Everton, that just isn't enough to settle for mid table and not push on in any competition.
Not saying that the luck doesn't play a part there (more than in the league) but they are mostly win by the luck of the draw is a bit too far.It's a fecking tournament. Tournaments are mostly won by the luck of the draw. Tournament managing is nothing like season managing. He's been shit year in and year out, often underperforming. Teams that are wildly inconsistent. Having amazing months, then turning to crap for no reason. His career has been rather mystifying as to why he can get players to perform well, then suddenly have them turn to shit.
He's should not in any way shape or form be used as a manager who should replace Moyes. It's complete hypocrisy. By a mile.
Underperforming? He was manager of Wigan ffs. They were punching above their weight just staying in the league all those years. His style of football has always been more suited to top teams, teams expected to dominate games and win rather then trying to stay alive. Moyes on the other hand has always been more suited to teams in the lower half of the league and making them punch above their weight. I'm not saying Martinez was the man we should have gone for, far from it, but you're saying he's a shite manager when he so clearly isn't and is proving that this season. He has Everton 5 points above us, after we took Everton's old boss and they took Wigan's old boss, all while they are playing better football then us despite having far inferior players. Doesn't that tell its own story?It's a fecking tournament. Tournaments are mostly won by the luck of the draw. Tournament managing is nothing like season managing. He's been shit year in and year out, often underperforming. Teams that are wildly inconsistent. Having amazing months, then turning to crap for no reason. His career has been rather mystifying as to why he can get players to perform well, then suddenly have them turn to shit.
He's should not in any way shape or form be used as a manager who should replace Moyes. It's complete hypocrisy. By a mile.
And their best/second best player. Don't forget that.Underperforming? He was manager of Wigan ffs. They were punching above their weight just staying in the league all those years. His style of football has always been more suited to top teams, teams expected to dominate games and win rather then trying to stay alive. Moyes on the other hand has always been more suited to teams in the lower half of the league and making them punch above their weight. I'm not saying Martinez was the man we should have gone for, far from it, but you're saying he's a shite manager when he so clearly isn't and is proving that this season. He has Everton 5 points above us, after we took Everton's old boss and they took Wigan's old boss, all while they are playing better football then us despite having far inferior players. Doesn't that tell its own story?
God knows if that rumor is true. However if its true, well, Moyes has to get used to manage world class players. If he can't do that, then he should go back to where he came from.Yeah, quite clear Moyes and RVP don't get on. Moyes changed his training methods and RVP started picking up injuries. Then there's Rio leaking the team to the press which I find inexcusable in the circumstances. You've got a new manager up against it, needing all the players to rally round and get behind him, and you've got Rio pulling shit like that?
At this point in time, any slightly renowned football manager would seem to be able to do a better job than Moyes.I'm not being defensive. Simply stating an obvious fact that the job must be earnt. Tell me, would you be in favor of say Seedorf (prior to him joining Milan) taking over from Moyes?
No chance. Extended his contract until 2018 and I don't think we will see him at a different club before that.Klopp.
This really is quite incredible. No one except someone with a bias towards British Managers would have picked Moyes.How is it even possible that in a summer in which Guardiola, Mourinho, Ancelotti, and Pellegrini all took new jobs, Manchester United chose David Moyes? If the club wishes to take a chance and appoint a young, upcoming, and relatively unproven manager with affiliation and love for the club like Solskjær, fine, the fans will be happy to give him a chance to grow into the role. But David Moyes? What on Earth was Ferguson thinking? A catastrophic err in judgement. Moyes has not achieved anything other than the stability of mid-table mediocrity at Everton. No trophies, just dull football and a predictable finish every season. He was always the wrong choice, and we are now seeing just how disastrously wrong he is for the job.
Simeone is more closely resembling Ferguson with every passing day. He's breaking up the duopoly of La Liga, much as Ferguson did to the Old Firm, and is playing a brand of passionate, confident, aggressive, and entertaining football that closely resembles Ferguson's at his best. He's won European trophies against the odds just as Ferguson did with Aberdeen. Now this is a manager in the mould of Ferguson, not some mid-table manager who is simply also from Glasgow. However, it is difficult to see us luring Simeone from his impressive accomplishments with Atlético, so perhaps this is just wishful thinking.
Klopp, however, I believe might be a possibility. He may be growing tired of Bayern's domination. He is constantly losing his best players and Bayern move further and further ahead. He may relish the chance to rescue Manchester United, a fallen giant, much as he did with Dortmund to magnificent effect. Of course we all know of his charisma and attractive style of play, the total antithesis of Moyes. But I fear the prospect of Klopp, too, might simply be wishful thinking.
I'd laugh if it wasn't so tragic.How is it even possible that in a summer in which Guardiola, Mourinho, Ancelotti, and Pellegrini all took new jobs, Manchester United chose David Moyes?
Mourinho for me.if Moyes was to go before the end of the season or in the summer?
I think he'll be here next season, but I'd try and get van Gaal in the summer if we don't get 4th, which is likely.
Completely agree. If we were going for an inexperienced, trophyless manager, then I would have just picked Ole. Then again, he has a trophy. It really is damning when in all the years at Everton he never won a single trophy. And then you look at all the clubs that have, teams like Wigan, Swansea, Birmingham and Liverpool. We are getting what we deserve. It was a ridiculous decision to appoint him. He is not a winner.How is it even possible that in a summer in which Guardiola, Mourinho, Ancelotti, and Pellegrini all took new jobs, Manchester United chose David Moyes? If the club wishes to take a chance and appoint a young, upcoming, and relatively unproven manager with affiliation and love for the club like Solskjær, fine, the fans will be happy to give him a chance to grow into the role. But David Moyes? What on Earth was Ferguson thinking? A catastrophic err in judgement. Moyes has not achieved anything other than the stability of mid-table mediocrity at Everton. No trophies, just dull football and a predictable finish every season. He was always the wrong choice, and we are now seeing just how disastrously wrong he is for the job.
Simeone is more closely resembling Ferguson with every passing day. He's breaking up the duopoly of La Liga, much as Ferguson did to the Old Firm, and is playing a brand of passionate, confident, aggressive, and entertaining football that closely resembles Ferguson's at his best. He's won European trophies against the odds just as Ferguson did with Aberdeen. Now this is a manager in the mould of Ferguson, not some mid-table manager who is simply also from Glasgow. However, it is difficult to see us luring Simeone from his impressive accomplishments with Atlético, so perhaps this is just wishful thinking.
A big part of it I'd say. Ferguson's legacy to me at this stage is that he left a poor squad and hand picked a very poor replacement for himself.How much of Ferguson's ego actually played a part in him choosing Moyes?
Mourinho was the sensible choice last summer, now it's not possible unless Abramovich buys another Shevchenko for him or something.Mourinho for me.
Hoping the Glazers step in... *sigh*From Fergie's quotes, it seems like he's going to back Moyes all the way. We could be having this discussion for a very long time.
I dont think the squad was particularly poor but his choice to replace him was definitely poor. We just needed a few tweaks and a couple of world additions to make us strong in Europe and Moyes failed to do so this past summer and as a result we are paying the price for it right now. The only reason I could think of for Fergie to pick someone like Moyes was that he didnt want the next manager to be as successful as he was right away. I still cant fathom as to why he would go pick Moyes over the likes of Pep, Mou, Ancelotti and even Pellegrini.A big part of it I'd say. Ferguson's legacy to me at this stage is that he left a poor squad and hand picked a very poor replacement for himself.
Moyes is only in the job because of him and him alone (and Chartlon's reservations on Mourinho). So naturally he's going to stubbornly stick by his man instead of swallowing his pride.From Fergie's quotes, it seems like he's going to back Moyes all the way. We could be having this discussion for a very long time.