United linked with van Gaal in the meeja

[devilish]

Mourinho could also have stayed at Inter, or Real Madrid, or Chelsea the first time round when he left after a 0-0 draw.:

Its so easy to swallow the MUTV propaganda which claims that Mourinho is a mercenary. In reality he's not. He always had a good reason to leave the club

a) Chelsea - Roman was interfering with the club, bringing the players he wanted (Sheva) and expecting Mourinho to play them. Under such circumstances even SAF would have turned tail and left

b) Inter - Moratti loved him to bits but the goal posts initially agreed with Mourinho had changed. After winning the CL Moratti was not really interested to win anymore. He was constantly concerned about the club's expenditure, the squad was ageing and the owners wasnt keen to spend (he sold the majority of the shares later on) This wasn't in line to what was initially agreed with Mourinho in the first place. Can you blame him for leaving? Neverless the fans still love Mourinho.

c) Real - the Real Madrid post is described by SAF as the worst job in the world. Mourinho wasnt loved there either.

 

[ManUtd43vr]

I dont know if this has been posted before in this thread. But shouldnt there be a news of United/Glazer representatives like lawyers,etc meeting Van Gaal first? I dont think we have had any such news. This news looks like too much escalation. Why would the Glazers themselves go and meet him as a first point of contact? Dont they run the risk of having news like this? Also, doesn't this news seem to be suggesting that Ferguson has been bypassed in the decision making process?

 

[Crashoutcassius]

If Van Gaal is average then what the hell is Moyes? he could only dream of winning trophies with Bayern, Barcelona and Ajax. That statement would still work without mentioning the name of any clubs.

we're not really talking about moyes are we, talking about whether van gaal is a good enough manager for united. if the only argument you can come up with for yes is 'moyes hasn't won any trophies with pennyless everton' that might be an even stronger point for not getting van gaal

 

[Crashoutcassius]

I know plenty of bayern fans say that their current success wouldn't have happened if van gaal didn't lay the foundations for it first. He rebuilt them, put his trust in their excellent youth players when the previous managers were prepared to get rid, had them playing good attacking football and had them competing still. They even made the champions league final once, beating us in the process. He's as good as it gets to rebuild the club and get us back on track, rather then sitting around mid table like we are.

so you want to tell van gaal 'we know you're a poor manager, but we want you to come in and manage the club for two years, get good players in, and then we'll sack you and put in a good manager'

 

[Mainoldo]

I dont know if this has been posted before in this thread. But shouldnt there be a news of United/Glazer representatives like lawyers,etc meeting Van Gaal first? I dont think we have had any such news. This news looks like too much escalation. Why would the Glazers themselves go and meet him as a first point of contact? Dont they run the risk of having news like this? Also, doesn't this news seem to be suggesting that Ferguson has been bypassed in the decision making process?

Why do we assume this is our first meeting??? There has been talk for weeks that Van Gaal might be the new manager. I heard Spurs are trying desperately to tie him up because of the United speculation.

 

[devilish]

Definitely.



Mourinho could also have stayed at Inter, or Real Madrid, or Chelsea the first time round when he left after a 0-0 draw.



Do go on and win major trophies with Preston North End and Everton, at a time when oil magnates from around the world come seeping cash into your rivals' mouth.



a) I didn't say anyone, try reading the rest of my post.

b) Any sane observer could see the terrible shortcomings we had lingering in our side last season, but it is no surprise the short-sighted, trophy-craving fans calling for Moyes' demise have already forgotten the on-going central midfield and general squad depth issues we had last season.



Do carry on quoting bits of my posts and labelling them nonsense out of their context. Look, I'm about to do the same with yours:

No one expects Moyes to win major honors at Everton but clubs who were smaller then Everton did managed to win some important honors even in England. Swansea, Wigan etc. Moyes record with the big guns is ridiculous. His vision of football, his style and his players has EPL mid table club all printed on them. I dont hate Moyes, he seems like a likeable lad. However he's ridiculously out of depth at United and no amount of excuses (FA gave him tough fixtures, SAF left a crappy side, players dont like him alot, Guardiola had an entire year preparing for this while he didnt) will change that.

 

[Lance Uppercut]

we're not really talking about moyes are we, talking about whether van gaal is a good enough manager for united. if the only argument you can come up with for yes is 'moyes hasn't won any trophies with pennyless everton' that might be an even stronger point for not getting van gaal

If you don't believe a manager of Van Gaal's calibre is good enough for us, how on earth can you believe David Moyes is?

 

[Crashoutcassius]

I dont know if this has been posted before in this thread. But shouldnt there be a news of United/Glazer representatives like lawyers,etc meeting Van Gaal first? I dont think we have had any such news. This news looks like too much escalation. Why would the Glazers themselves go and meet him as a first point of contact? Dont they run the risk of having news like this? Also, doesn't this news seem to be suggesting that Ferguson has been bypassed in the decision making process?

yeah this is why it didn't happen. just made up by the papers to get people with IQ below 40 to buy the paper

 

[Crashoutcassius]

If you don't believe a manager of Van Gaal's calibre is good enough for us, how on earth can you believe David Moyes is?

I preferred giving a younger and hungry manager his first chance at managing a huge club than hiring an older/ tried and tested who will already know isn't good enough to keep huge clubs competing. If we are to replace Moyes we should get a manager who's ceiling is unknown, not a manager who's ceiling is very well known and it's very clear other big clubs have said he's not good enough for them

 

[Ubik]

I dont know if this has been posted before in this thread. But shouldnt there be a news of United/Glazer representatives like lawyers,etc meeting Van Gaal first? I dont think we have had any such news. This news looks like too much escalation. Why would the Glazers themselves go and meet him as a first point of contact? Dont they run the risk of having news like this? Also, doesn't this news seem to be suggesting that Ferguson has been bypassed in the decision making process?

There was a report we'd met with him about a month back after the Liverpool debacle. These links have been around a while, they haven't just surfaced today.

 

[Lance Uppercut]

I preferred giving a younger and hungry manager his first chance at managing a huge club than hiring an older/ tried and tested who will already know isn't good enough to keep huge clubs competing. If we are to replace Moyes we should get a manager who's ceiling is unknown, not a manager who's ceiling is very well known and it's very clear other big clubs have said he's not good enough for them

There is so much wrong with this post I don't even know where to start.

 

[bobbyf]

What does this even mean? Sir Alex said many times he left the club in a great position for future success, making it as easy as possible for the next manager to take over, had a fantastic backroom staff set up, had world class players in the club, and great facilities. Moyes takes over and within a few months suddenly we are loaded with mid table players, need a complete revamp, moyes saying even fergie wouldn't do better with this squad, him basically telling the squad time and time again he'll have huge changes in the summer, all because they played like shit because of him. Suddenly he manages a draw against bayern by parking the bus and suddenly he says we have a very good squad with some great players, capable of results like that. He's just clueless.

Couldn't agree more. Which decent manager wouldn't want to take over the club in that position? Champions, lots of money to spend on new players where we really needed them, enough time last summer to assess the team. Would not expect to win the league straight away but at least keep pace with our rivals in the top 4 and maintain our league status. But 7th in the table and the mess he has made is nothing less than a complete and utter failure.

Instead, we've been hearing the same excuses from too many people all season. The players etc. It's all BS. He is the problem, plain and simple. He has screwed up almost everything since he took over. Is there anything he has done right this season? And they cannot clearly see that the team don't want to play for him cos he is incapable of getting the best out of them.

 

[Crashoutcassius]

7 league titles across three countries, 3 domestic cups, 1 Champions League and 1 Uefa Cup.

How the hell is that average?

Yeah fair enough. He won the CL 20 years ago. I just think given that his recent spells at big clubs ended in him being sacked with the clubs performing badly in easy leagues he's not good enough. Yeah he won some league titles with Bayern lol every bayern manager ever is a good enough manager for us by that criteria.

If we really must sack a manager every year, why shouldn't we try to bring in the best possible candidates. I'm sure Van Gaal would do a fine job, maybe get us around 4th place, probably sign some nice technical dutch players. He's clearly not a special manager that is going to have us competing with insolvent billionaire clubs and personally, I don't accept 'he's better than Moyes' as good enough criteria to sign a manager, before people start blurting that out

 

[bosnian_red]

so you want to tell van gaal 'we know you're a poor manager, but we want you to come in and manage the club for two years, get good players in, and then we'll sack you and put in a good manager'

Not at all. He's only in it for 3-4 years anyway. He's a good manager, not one of the very best but when it comes to rebuilding there's few better. Apparently he wants to come and have de boer take over after him as well, which would be a perfect scenario. He'd also have us winning competing for trophies and playing great attacking football again. United need a manager like him more then anything to rebuild and lay the foundations. He's going to retire within 5 years anyways, and the best managers like klopp, pep, simeone aren't available right now or for the next 2-3 years probably. It's more of a case of, rebuild us, get us back challenging and lay the foundations for de boer/klopp/simeone so it doesn't take another 2-3 years rebuilding.

 

[El-Manos]

Is there any reputable source actually reporting this?

 

[Crashoutcassius]

There is so much wrong with this post I don't even know where to start.

it's only two sentences, who can there be that much wrong with it. Why sign a 65 year old manager or whatever who had Barca 3 pts from relegation and Bayern in 4th in a joke or a league in his last two big jobs. Why not sign a better manager than that. Yeah he won a CL in 95, who cares. Trappatoni won a lot more than that, LETS GET TRAP

 

[Crashoutcassius]

Apparently he wants to come and have de boer take over after him as well, which would be a perfect scenario.

lol dont believe everything you read

 

[Blasphemy]

Yeah fair enough. He won the CL 20 years ago. I just think given that his recent spells at big clubs ended in him being sacked with the clubs performing badly in easy leagues he's not good enough. Yeah he won some league titles with Bayern lol every bayern manager ever is a good enough manager for us by that criteria.

If we really must sack a manager every year, why shouldn't we try to bring in the best possible candidates. I'm sure Van Gaal would do a fine job, maybe get us around 4th place, probably sign some nice technical dutch players. He's clearly not a special manager that is going to have us competing with insolvent billionaire clubs and personally, I don't accept 'he's better than Moyes' as good enough criteria to sign a manager, before people start blurting that out

He also fairly recently won the Eridivisie with AZ so it's not like he's only done it in 'easy' jobs.

I want us to appoint the best manager we can get, there's a good chance that will be Louis Van Gaal given Simeone and Klopp don't seem to be on the market.

 

[Name Changed]

He also won the Eridivisie with AZ so it's not like he's only done it in 'easy' jobs.

I want us to appoint the best manager we can get, there's a good chance that will be Louis Van Gaal given Simeone and Klopp don't seem to be on the market.

I'm not saying he's correct, but Rafa Honigstein thinks Klopp would be available if United really wanted him.

 

[Lance Uppercut]

it's only two sentences, who can there be that much wrong with it. Why sign a 65 year old manager or whatever who had Barca 3 pts from relegation and Bayern in 4th in a joke or a league in his last two big jobs. Why not sign a better manager than that. Yeah he won a CL in 95, who cares. Trappatoni won a lot more than that, LETS GET TRAP

1. Van Gaal isn't 65.

2. Trap is 75.

3. David Moyes is not a better manager than Van Gaal. Do you know how I know this? Because he has never won anything. In 10 years.

 

[Blasphemy]

I'm not saying he's correct, but Rafa Honigstein thinks Klopp would be available if United really wanted him.

He did? I really rate Honigstein as a journalist. He was 100% correct about Moyes anyway.

 

[Redo91]

My mate supports Spurs and he has been saying for weeks that there's a deal in place to take him there in the summer. This is just the usual bollocks from the press.

You should contact one of the Sunday papers asap. They would be willing to pay top dollar for such a huge scoop from a reliable source such as your mate (assuming your mate is Daniel Levy).

 

[Crashoutcassius]

He also fairly recently won the Eridivisie with AZ so it's not like he's only done it in 'easy' jobs.

I want us to appoint the best manager we can get, there's a good chance that will be Louis Van Gaal given Simeone and Klopp don't seem to be on the market.

can we not just wait until a top manager is back on the market. we are teetering on the brink of the chelsea. say we bring in van gaal next season and he has no use for felli and mata. 70m down the drain. signs 3 players. he comes 5th next season after his first season in the prem. gets sacked. new manager has no use for 2 of his signings, don't fit his system. money wasted again. etc etc. Changing managers every year means changing visions. And getting into top 4 in this league is not as easy as signing a manager who won the CL in 94/95 and saying he's got the pedigree. I think the club would benefit from putting a top young manager in. I really don't like the idea of putting in a new manager who, recent evidence has shown, isn't really good enough to sustain success with Bayern or Barca ie. much much easier circumstances than man united right now. There's just no point putting in a stop gap manager for me

 

[Blasphemy]

can we not just wait until a top manager is back on the market. we are teetering on the brink of the chelsea. say we bring in van gaal next season and he has no use for felli and mata. 70m down the drain. signs 3 players. he comes 5th next season after his first season in the prem. gets sacked. new manager has no use for 2 of his signings, don't fit his system. money wasted again. etc etc. Changing managers every year means changing visions. And getting into top 4 in this league is not as easy as signing a manager who won the CL in 94/95 and saying he's got the pedigree. I think the club would benefit from putting a top young manager in. I really don't like the idea of putting in a new manager who, recent evidence has shown, isn't really good enough to sustain success with Bayern or Barca ie. much much easier circumstances than man united right now. There's just no point putting in a stop gap manager for me

Do you trust David Moyes with £200m? I don't.

I think we can survive one season out of the UCL no problem but if Moyes spunks £200m and we still don't finish top four then we're in real trouble. We make a lot of money but we can't afford to waste money like that every year.

We need to stop Moyes before he can do any more damage.

 

[bosnian_red]

lol dont believe everything you read

Yeah obviously that one is a bit far fetched, but the point is the same. The best ones aren't available right, but we have the chance of getting someone experienced to get us back competing at the top and lay the foundations for the next guy who has to be a top manager, for them to be long term. It was always the way to go IMO. Younger, inexperienced managers would always find it very hard to handle succeeding fergie.

 

[Lance Uppercut]

Do you trust David Moyes with £200m? I don't.

I think we can survive one season out of the UCL no problem but if Moyes spunks £200m and we still don't finish top four then we're in real trouble. We make a lot of money but we can't afford to waste money like that every year.

We need to stop Moyes before he can do any more damage.

That sounds like a line out of a movie. I like it.

 

[Name Changed]

He did? I really rate Honigstein as a journalist. He was 100% correct about Moyes anyway.

Well my brother told me that. I presume he heard Rafa say it in a pod. Honigstein is an excellent journalist.

 

[Crashoutcassius]

1. Van Gaal isn't 65.

2. Trap is 75.

3. David Moyes is not a better manager than Van Gaal. Do you know how I know this? Because he has never won anything. In 10 years.

1. I did say 'or whatever' so not much wrong with sentence really, akin to saying 'approx 65'
2. I was joking for gods sake
3. At what point did I say David Moyes was a better manager than Van Gaal? Quote me where I said it please

 

[Blasphemy]

Well my brother told me that. I presume he heard Rafa say it in a pod. Honigstein is an excellent journalist.

Listened to every pod for years and never heard it said but maybe I wasn't paying proper attention.

 

[Crashoutcassius]

Do you trust David Moyes with £200m? I don't.

don't believe everything you read in the papers

 

[Blasphemy]

don't believe everything you read in the papers

I expect us to spend £150m this summer at least. We have too many players leaving not to.

 

[gasmanc]

There is so much wrong with this post I don't even know where to start.

Try Moyes looking like a hungry manager, that would at least give you a start.

 

[Ubik]

Listened to every pod for years and never heard it said but maybe I wasn't paying proper attention.

If it's the same thing I'm thinking of, he said it "wasn't impossible" that we could get him when asked a month or so back. It remains only a slight chance though.

 

[devilish]

I believe that in Moyes, SAF believed that he had found the man who will understand how United work, he wouldn't rock the boat too much and will produce some quality players. It didnt exactly turned out that way

I confess that I am not a fan of the Dutch man, however in many ways Van Gaal is similar to the old man. First of all he comes from SAF's generation. Secondly he's arrogant and not a fan of the media same as SAF was. Thirdly he tend to work with the resources he's got and finally he doesnt think that going the football manager way is the only way to resurrect a club which is in crisis. I wont be surprised if he brings fellow Dutch Rene at OT to give him a hand.

In few words I can understand why Van Gaal would be a popular choice both the money man and SAF.

 

[Ole's_toe_poke]

There is so much wrong with this post I don't even know where to start.

It really is a ridiculous post.

 

[Lance Uppercut]

1. I did say 'or whatever' so not much wrong with sentence really, akin to saying 'approx 65'
2. I was joking for gods sake
3. At what point did I say David Moyes was a better manager than Van Gaal? Quote me where I said it please

4. Where did I say you did?

 

[Name Changed]

Listened to every pod for years and never heard it said but maybe I wasn't paying proper attention.

I'll ask the bro. He's adamant he heard it.

 

[Crashoutcassius]

I expect us to spend £150m this summer at least. We have too many players leaving not to.

fair enough if you think so. never happened before but yeah i guess rio and vidic are old and the daily mail says it so must be happening this summer.

And what part of Moyes transfer record means you don't trust him to spend money? He's been the shrewdest spender in the league the last decade, on par with Wenger although without the same kind of lure to attract the calibre of player wenger brought in. Think Seamus Coleman was 60,000 pounds

 

[Lance Uppercut]

Try Moyes looking like a hungry manager, that would at least give you a start.

 

[Crashoutcassius]

4. Where did I say you did?

you were pointing out things that were wrong with my post. I could point out things that were wrong with your post and say 'berlin is not the capital of france' and when you say you didn't say it was I could say 'I didn't say you said it was?????'