I dare you to go outside and head the ball with your eyes firmly open.
Needs more bravery
Wayne Rooney | 2012-14 Performances
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Needs more bravery
Mate I played centre forward for 15 years if you think the idea of heading a ball properly doesn't involve directing the thing (which needs eyesight) either to a team mate or to place it in the corner of the net you're mad. RVP lobbed the spanish keeper with his flying header the whole genius was manipulating the ball to clear the keeper but not put too much on it to clear the bar. You don't do that by letting the ball hit you aimlessly on the bonce (I know players DO but it's not good technique).
Ffs. If he aimlessly let it hit him on the bonce he wouldn't have made any contact with it. Everyone closes their eyes at the moment of impact. It's human nature.
You've seen a super slow motion replay and said he wasn't brave enough. Which is silly.
You've seen a super slow motion replay and said he wasn't brave enough. Which is silly.
No you've confused my slow mo comment with his cack technique on the drive he cocked up.
Directing the ball needs eyes open it's fundamental basic footballing knowledge and the only reason Rooney didn't direct it was because he wasn't brave enough presumably cos a player was in front of him. Do you think Suarez would have missed it?
Have you seen the ground he covered? The speed he was going while marked? Most wouldn't have even got to it.
I defy you to tell me that you would have got over that to nod it down. It isn't a looping cross that is dropping.
(re- the header)
I defy you to tell me that you would have got over that to nod it down. It isn't a looping cross that is dropping.
(re- the header)
But he was over it.
Now you are lying.
Had enough of your wumming.
Calm down lad look at the pics above
Suarez has got nothing to do with it. Look, I can't be arsed arguing with this. Nobody heads the ball with their eyes open. You watch it onto your head and they naturally close as it approaches. You'll do well to find a picture of a player with eyes open at contact.
I posted it.
His head is below the middle of the ball, how can he direct it downwards oh great swami of twisted physics?
Dunno what's up with this RVP-Rooney bromance over the past few days......I'd be behind it if they had actually showed it in the past 18 months or so -_-
You stray into the realms of unsubstantiated dogma here. It's just nonsense.
Jesus Christ indeedThey're going to click fully next season. I feel it.
Hes got a year or 2 as a top level 9/ss/dattack minded mid whatever,in him.
So either he accepts he rotates the 9 with Robin,10 with Juan/shinji<?,personally think ehll be off>,seeing many games in the last 20 minutes as opposed to starting.Adopt the right attitude no problems,he doesnt thanks a lot and all,followed you from your debut as an Everton player,but toodles.<And grab Barkley>
Ideally i want him here to earn a place as a legend,which in my eyes he isnt just yet,listen to Scholes and adapt his skillset to drop deeper,burst and playmake in i n midfield three as a 8/10.Scholes wouldnt indulge him in falsehoods on his true opinion.
Either way van Gaal has this.Van Persie is practically nailed on to be our captain so im not really anticipating Rooney to pull his socks up and am pre empting another falling out somewhere along the line.
Hope he makes me eat my words though.
So either he accepts he rotates the 9 with Robin,10 with Juan/shinji<?,personally think ehll be off>,seeing many games in the last 20 minutes as opposed to starting.Adopt the right attitude no problems,he doesnt thanks a lot and all,followed you from your debut as an Everton player,but toodles.<And grab Barkley>
Ideally i want him here to earn a place as a legend,which in my eyes he isnt just yet,listen to Scholes and adapt his skillset to drop deeper,burst and playmake in i n midfield three as a 8/10.Scholes wouldnt indulge him in falsehoods on his true opinion.
Either way van Gaal has this.Van Persie is practically nailed on to be our captain so im not really anticipating Rooney to pull his socks up and am pre empting another falling out somewhere along the line.
Hope he makes me eat my words though.
He must be on the WUM. Ignore it.
The "go play the game" argument is always a GOAT wum. Fair play James.....I mean I know you aren't serious.
That picture is the classic position of where you want to be when heading he isn't even stretching a controlled glance and that baby slides off his forehead into the net. Unfortunately he's bottled it by having a kip in mid air. By "over the ball" you don't want to be actually above the thing cos you'll nose it or head the thing vertically down.
Easy answer(s):
1) Van Persie is clearly wrong about Rooney being world class, he can't know that by just training and playing with him, he should join Caf and get some more insight
2) RVP is smart man, he's seen what has happend with Nani who's fallen out of love with Rooney and he's avoiding same thing at all cost- even by lying about Rooney just so Rooney wouldn't bench him or even sell him!
It was so obvious I can't believe you didn't see it yourself!
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I wouldn't claim that of course but thank you anyway.
He was behind him only in a spit second before the strike, the both go for an aerial with bodies touching. As i've said it's completely different to a free header like the one he was allowed against Villa.
And everybody who played the game should understand it. But obviously those who think that hos goal strike was bad, they would not changed their views no matter how weird they actually are.
Are you saying an aerial dual with bodies touching equates to no goal? Course not umpteen goals scored every week in such circumstances and more often than not the forward has his eyes focused on the ball knowing exactly where it's going. Nonsense to claim otherwise particularly less than a yard out with no one shoving you in the back. It was a sitter pure and simple and he missed it no matter how weird you think such views are.
Exactly my point. He isn't better than those players and hasn't been for a while. However his brand says he's as good or better. Which creates an illusion.
Let's see where he is in 2014 Ballon D'Or. I presume he'll repeat his 2013 exploits.and not even be nominated.
I'm saying it can't be considered a sitter and the accuracy of heading is compromised in comparison witha free headers, when you have a time and space to calmly direct a header.
Well I personally think he's been unlucky. If he had been in a club which consistently played him upfront as a striker Rooney would be a beast by now.
On current form Luis Suarez beats Rooney hands down. I'm judging their careers and I feel like Suarez will fade away once he touches 30 while Rooney will further adjust/grow into a different type of player. I'm also judging their past achievements.
I don't care about shots from different angles. When I saw it during the match it looked like a half chance at best and England would have been extremely lucky had that gone in. I think the commentators made it sound like a great chance since it hit the woodwork and got too excited about it.
Well yeh, it's tougher but Rooney wasn't actually fighting for the ball. IMO he jumped expecting the defender to get a nick on it and slightly turned anticipating the deflection into his gob hence the eyes closed.
He needed to be bold and he wasn't, a goalden opportunity wasted (see what I did there)
Nah I agree with James and that picture pretty much confirms Rooney should have scored that header . it's not even too high he just didn't make the right connection.
He was fighting for it. Suarez was not fighting for the ball in the first goal, he had time and space to direct a header. Rooney had not, in that situation you can only connect, you can't really direct it. For one, you just can't see the ball clearly until last moment. So you can't adjust your body. Ultimately he was unlucky in that moment.
I didn't mean that Rooney was the main reason for England' loss vs Italy. That would be ridiculous indeed. I meant that his miss turned out to be crucial. Had he scored from that chance, England would have had good chances to progress further. He wasn't bad in that game and he was quite involved and generally good against Uruguay. My point was that he failed to do what is expected from world class players: to make a difference.
Neither England's no Uruguay's defenders and midfielders were particularly good. Uruguay conceded 3 goals against CR! And 2 of their first choice defenders didn't play against England! The game was decided by the forwards of both teams. Rooney put in a good performance in that game, it wasn't a world class performance though. It's baffling that there are fans who think Rooney was better than Suarez. Now, that's ridiculous. There is a sea of difference between converting 2 from 3 chances and 1 from 4 chances, not to mention the qualitiy of their goals. Include the chance vs Italy and it becomes clear that Rooney wasn't good enough to help England reach the next round. He was good, just not good enough.
No he wasn't.
Not a bad effort at unfair yet plausible criticism though. You're letting yourself down here though.
Oh and that bit about the cross not being good. That was laughable too. A pity your years of playing football didn't hone your skills as a bullshitter.
You keep on including the free kick as a missed chance to make Rooney look bad. That's absurd. You never ever hear anyone describe free kicks as missed chances.
To be honest, your bias against Rooney would be less obvious if you hadn't spent so much time and effort trying to convince everyone Dimitar Berbatov was a great striker for United. It's impossible to trust the opinion of anyone who seems to genuinely believe he was a better player for us than Wayne Rooney.
By the way, the idea that he was better than Suarez is based on how much more involved he was. England dominated possession, and passed the ball far better than Uruguay, with Rooney as the main man - especially in the second half. He did this despite being man-marked. Something Suarez didn't have to cope with. In fact he was barely marked at all, so poor were England's central defenders.
Suarez deservedly got the plaudits for winning the game but if he hadn't had that second goal handed to him on a plate then Rooney would have clearly been the more influential player of the two.
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Funny how an "over-rated" players is very close to becoming the all time top-scorer of one of the world's greatest clubs and England. It's not Rooney's fault if people set unreasonable expectations from him.
Looking forward to see Rooney play this season. I've a feeling that LVG will be very good for him.
Looking forward to see Rooney play this season. I've a feeling that LVG will be very good for him.
You rely too much on ad hominem arguments, Pogue. Berbatov wasn't a successful signing for United, even though he contributed to league titles 18. and 19. He was bad in the CL though, so I was wrong about him. Maybe I'm wrong about Rooney as well. Or maybe not. I'd answer your substantial points, your cheap digs don't deserve much attention...It's quite clear that you are biased toward Rooney. Only a huge Rooney fan would claim that he was better than Suarez in that game.
Free kicks from such a distance are very good chances, especially for free kick specialists, e.g. Suarez. Nothing absurd and ridiculouis here. Uruguay fans would be quite happy to see Suarez taking a free kick from that distance.
I was one of the first on here to claim that Rooney's probably peaked. Well, Scholes thinks the same. I guess that he is biased against Rooney. Rooney hasn't been a world class player since 2011. I'm not in the camp of those who think that he never was world class in the first place. IMO, he clearly was world class 09/10 and 2011. I'm sceptical about his future at United though. He's overrated. You and many other fans disagree. OK, what's the problem? Time will tell I guess. Being wrong about football matters don't bother me that much. Cheers.
Time for him to retire internationally I'd say. He was very poor. A shadow of his former self. Rooney was probably out best player by comparison.
I'm not sure Rooney was quite that good but it does seem bizarre that he gets so much flack when he was one of the few England players to perform well.
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