Steven Seagull
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I dare you to go outside and head the ball with your eyes firmly open.You've never played have you?
Needs more bravery
I dare you to go outside and head the ball with your eyes firmly open.You've never played have you?
Mate I played centre forward for 15 years if you think the idea of heading a ball properly doesn't involve directing the thing (which needs eyesight) either to a team mate or to place it in the corner of the net you're mad. RVP lobbed the spanish keeper with his flying header the whole genius was manipulating the ball to clear the keeper but not put too much on it to clear the bar. You don't do that by letting the ball hit you aimlessly on the bonce (I know players DO but it's not good technique).I dare you to go outside and head the ball with your eyes firmly open.
No you've confused my slow mo comment with his cack technique on the drive he cocked up.Ffs. If he aimlessly let it hit him on the bonce he wouldn't have made any contact with it. Everyone closes their eyes at the moment of impact. It's human nature.
You've seen a super slow motion replay and said he wasn't brave enough. Which is silly.
But he was over it.Have you seen the ground he covered? The speed he was going while marked? Most wouldn't have even got to it.
I defy you to tell me that you would have got over that to nod it down. It isn't a looping cross that is dropping.
Now you are lying.But he was over it.
Calm down lad look at the pics aboveNow you are lying.
Had enough of your wumming.
Suarez has got nothing to do with it. Look, I can't be arsed arguing with this. Nobody heads the ball with their eyes open. You watch it onto your head and they naturally close as it approaches. You'll do well to find a picture of a player with eyes open at contact.No you've confused my slow mo comment with his cack technique on the drive he cocked up.
Directing the ball needs eyes open it's fundamental basic footballing knowledge and the only reason Rooney didn't direct it was because he wasn't brave enough presumably cos a player was in front of him. Do you think Suarez would have missed it?
I posted it.Calm down lad look at the pics above
You stray into the realms of unsubstantiated dogma here. It's just nonsense.Suarez has got nothing to do with it. Look, I can't be arsed arguing with this. Nobody heads the ball with their eyes open. You watch it onto your head and they naturally close as it approaches. You'll do well to find a picture of a player with eyes open at contact.
Jesus Christ indeedYou stray into the realms of unsubstantiated dogma here. It's just nonsense.
They're going to click fully next season. I feel it.Dunno what's up with this RVP-Rooney bromance over the past few days......I'd be behind it if they had actually showed it in the past 18 months or so -_-
He must be on the WUM. Ignore it.Jesus Christ indeed
That picture is the classic position of where you want to be when heading he isn't even stretching a controlled glance and that baby slides off his forehead into the net. Unfortunately he's bottled it by having a kip in mid air. By "over the ball" you don't want to be actually above the thing cos you'll nose it or head the thing vertically down.I posted it.
His head is below the middle of the ball, how can he direct it downwards oh great swami of twisted physics?
Easy answer(s):Dunno what's up with this RVP-Rooney bromance over the past few days......I'd be behind it if they had actually showed it in the past 18 months or so -_-
I wouldn't claim that of course but thank you anyway.Jesus Christ indeed
That picture is the classic position of where you want to be when heading he isn't even stretching a controlled glance and that baby slides off his forehead into the net. Unfortunately he's bottled it by having a kip in mid air. By "over the ball" you don't want to be actually above the thing cos you'll nose it or head the thing vertically down.
He was behind him only in a spit second before the strike, the both go for an aerial with bodies touching. As i've said it's completely different to a free header like the one he was allowed against Villa.Sorry mate is your device playing up that made no sense at all. The bit about fighting for the header come over but you couldn't be more wrong he was behind the fella in pole position!
Are you saying an aerial dual with bodies touching equates to no goal? Course not umpteen goals scored every week in such circumstances and more often than not the forward has his eyes focused on the ball knowing exactly where it's going. Nonsense to claim otherwise particularly less than a yard out with no one shoving you in the back. It was a sitter pure and simple and he missed it no matter how weird you think such views are.He was behind him only in a spit second before the strike, the both go for an aerial with bodies touching. As i've said it's completely different to a free header like the one he was allowed against Villa.
And everybody who played the game should understand it. But obviously those who think that hos goal strike was bad, they would not changed their views no matter how weird they actually are.
Exactly my point. He isn't better than those players and hasn't been for a while. However his brand says he's as good or better. Which creates an illusion.He is better than the bold in my opinion.
I'm saying it can't be considered a sitter and the accuracy of heading is compromised in comparison witha free headers, when you have a time and space to calmly direct a header.Are you saying an aerial dual with bodies touching equates to no goal? Course not umpteen goals scored every week in such circumstances and more often than not the forward has his eyes focused on the ball knowing exactly where it's going. Nonsense to claim otherwise particularly less than a yard out with no one shoving you in the back. It was a sitter pure and simple and he missed it no matter how weird you think such views are.
Well I personally think he's been unlucky. If he had been in a club which consistently played him upfront as a striker Rooney would be a beast by now.Exactly my point. He isn't better than those players and hasn't been for a while. However his brand says he's as good or better. Which creates an illusion.
Let's see where he is in 2014 Ballon D'Or. I presume he'll repeat his 2013 exploits.and not even be nominated.
On current form Luis Suarez beats Rooney hands down. I'm judging their careers and I feel like Suarez will fade away once he touches 30 while Rooney will further adjust/grow into a different type of player. I'm also judging their past achievements.Leaving aside the likes of Ibra, Bale and Toure, you're really saying that you think Wayne Rooney is currently a better player than Luis Suarez? I would genuinely love to know what you're basing that on.
Well yeh, it's tougher but Rooney wasn't actually fighting for the ball. IMO he jumped expecting the defender to get a nick on it and slightly turned anticipating the deflection into his gob hence the eyes closed.I'm saying it can't be considered a sitter and the accuracy of heading is compromised in comparison witha free headers, when you have a time and space to calmly direct a header.
He was fighting for it. Suarez was not fighting for the ball in the first goal, he had time and space to direct a header. Rooney had not, in that situation you can only connect, you can't really direct it. For one, you just can't see the ball clearly until last moment. So you can't adjust your body. Ultimately he was unlucky in that moment.Well yeh, it's tougher but Rooney wasn't actually fighting for the ball. IMO he jumped expecting the defender to get a nick on it and slightly turned anticipating the deflection into his gob hence the eyes closed.
He needed to be bold and he wasn't, a goalden opportunity wasted (see what I did there)
I didn't mean that Rooney was the main reason for England' loss vs Italy. That would be ridiculous indeed. I meant that his miss turned out to be crucial. Had he scored from that chance, England would have had good chances to progress further. He wasn't bad in that game and he was quite involved and generally good against Uruguay. My point was that he failed to do what is expected from world class players: to make a difference.That's just a ridiculous comment.
No he wasn't.But he was over it.
You keep on including the free kick as a missed chance to make Rooney look bad. That's absurd. You never ever hear anyone describe free kicks as missed chances.I didn't mean that Rooney was the main reason for England' loss vs Italy. That would be ridiculous indeed. I meant that his miss turned out to be crucial. Had he scored from that chance, England would have had good chances to progress further. He wasn't bad in that game and he was quite involved and generally good against Uruguay. My point was that he failed to do what is expected from world class players: to make a difference.
Neither England's no Uruguay's defenders and midfielders were particularly good. Uruguay conceded 3 goals against CR! And 2 of their first choice defenders didn't play against England! The game was decided by the forwards of both teams. Rooney put in a good performance in that game, it wasn't a world class performance though. It's baffling that there are fans who think Rooney was better than Suarez. Now, that's ridiculous. There is a sea of difference between converting 2 from 3 chances and 1 from 4 chances, not to mention the qualitiy of their goals. Include the chance vs Italy and it becomes clear that Rooney wasn't good enough to help England reach the next round. He was good, just not good enough.
You rely too much on ad hominem arguments, Pogue. Berbatov wasn't a successful signing for United, even though he contributed to league titles 18. and 19. He was bad in the CL though, so I was wrong about him. Maybe I'm wrong about Rooney as well. Or maybe not. I'd answer your substantial points, your cheap digs don't deserve much attention...It's quite clear that you are biased toward Rooney. Only a huge Rooney fan would claim that he was better than Suarez in that game.You keep on including the free kick as a missed chance to make Rooney look bad. That's absurd. You never ever hear anyone describe free kicks as missed chances.
To be honest, your bias against Rooney would be less obvious if you hadn't spent so much time and effort trying to convince everyone Dimitar Berbatov was a great striker for United. It's impossible to trust the opinion of anyone who seems to genuinely believe he was a better player for us than Wayne Rooney.
Time for him to retire internationally I'd say. He was very poor. A shadow of his former self. Rooney was probably out best player by comparison.Gerrard's diplomatic immunity from English press criticism is bad enough but Sturridge seems just as immune from what I've seen today. I thought he was absolutely atrocious. An Ashley Young of a performance, relentless diving included.
I'm not sure Rooney was quite that good but it does seem bizarre that he gets so much flack when he was one of the few England players to perform well.Resplendent performance from Wayne yesterday. I bet England fans who love to bring him down were so devastated when he scored. Anyone but Rooney.
A shame such a domineering display did not matter in the end due to Suárez's brilliant display of decisiveness and England's shambolic defending and insidiously inept midfield.