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My national team (co)manager recons this is no worse than headbutting or aggressively tackling and he should not be punished.
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Repetition certainly makes it really bad, but I think all this situation would be worse if Suárez had attacked someone in the crowd yesterday.Were this the first time Suarez put the bite on someone I'd be inclined to agree. As this instance is the thrid time, it's virtually equal to that kung-fu kick.
Then they should let Suarez wipe his arse on the Fair Play flag they parade before every game.This is FIFA we are talking about. If he gets anything less than a well done I'd be pissed if I were Chielini. But this is FIFA.
Agreed, I think it's one of his many "rile up/unsettle the rival defender" tactics. I think that's part of the game, but this particular one he should have dropped a long time ago.I disagree that Suarez has a psychological disorder (although he should get help), me personally, I think all of his actions so far that have been deliberate and controlled. He knows exactly what he's doing - it always happens when either his team's in trouble, or when he's being snuffed out of the game by a good defender. Each time he's been caught biting (and I emphasize the word 'caught' because I have little doubt that he's done it more than 3 times, but that it's either gone unnoticed, or there's been no conclusive proof), it's clearly been done to get a reaction from the defender, after which Suarez throws himself to the ground, feigns injury, and claims he's been elbowed. There's nothing uncontrolled about that. Also, with his other nasty fouls (which is a compilation video on youtube), he always looks to see where the ref is/that he's looking the other way, before he stamps on a player's foot/ankle, or rakes his studs down a player's calf. Instantly, up go his hands and his face contorts into a 'shock/horror' expression, as he pleads innocence/accident. And it's the same thing every time. There's nothing uncontrolled about that, either. I hope that FIFA will throw him out of the World Cup immediately, because I seriously doubt that the Uruguay NT coach, or their FA will have the honesty, or courage to do it themselves (because with him gone, so goes any chance they have of winning the thing). I hope that the UK media now hounds him out of the country, and that the refs do their bit by consistently punishing him. He should be under total scrutiny. Now I'm just waiting for a statement from the Liverpool camp which
Fifa more interested in Fair Pay than Fair Play - their sponsors will call the shots - this is the organisation that gave Qatar the world cup.Then they should let Suarez wipe his arse on the Fair Play flag they parade before every game.
And Cantona was subject to a lengthy ban imposed by the club itself.What Cantona did was much worse.
It's less retaliation and more of a reflex to lash out a little when someone bites you.retaliation is looked upon badly usually
You don't get banned for breaking someone's leg, you get banned for receiving a red card for serious foul play. People need to realise that the consequence of an action don't necessarily make an action wrong or immoral. A perfectly innocent tackle can sometimes result in a broken leg while an overly aggressive, violent assault with intent to harm might not injure anyone but would still warrant a red card (and sometimes even a harsher punishment). Biting someone certainly falls under overly aggressive with intent to harm.You only get a three match ban for breaking a player's leg.
Perhaps, what if he bit someone in the crowd? That seems to be his MO.Repetition certainly makes it really bad, but I think all this situation would be worse if Suárez had attacked someone in the crowd yesterday.
Just to clarify "this situation would be worse if Suárez had attacked someone in the crowd yesterday in response to a racist running down from the stands to scream racist words toward him"Repetition certainly makes it really bad, but I think all this situation would be worse if Suárez had attacked someone in the crowd yesterday.
Of course they are, it's a Manchester United forum. I think the result will be very disappointing.Perhaps, people are actually being wishful while demanding a domestic ban.
That's what I found absolutely hilarious about it all. The Italians complaining about underhand tactics... and the world rallying behind them. You couldn't make it upThe Italians were always into pinching.
Sorry, but what the feck is this?
Absolutely. I also coudn't be arsed if he got help or not.I disagree that Suarez has a psychological disorder (although he should get help), me personally, I think all of his actions so far that have been deliberate and controlled. He knows exactly what he's doing
http://www.fifa.com/worldcup/news/y...dings-opened-against-luis-suarez-2384766.htmlDisciplinary proceedings opened against Luis Suarez
FIFA can confirm that disciplinary proceedings have been opened against the player Luis Suarez of Uruguay following an apparent breach of art. 48 and/or art. 57 of the FIFA Disciplinary Code during the 2014 FIFA World Cup Brazil™ match Italy-Uruguay played on 24 June 2014. The player and/or the Uruguayan FA are invited to provide with their position and any documentary evidence they deem relevant until 25 June 2014, 5pm, Brasilia time.
According to art. 77 lit. a of the FIFA Disciplinary Code (FDC), the FIFA Disciplinary Committee is responsible for sanctioning serious infringements which have escaped the match officials’ attention. Furthermore, according to art. 96 of the FDC, any type of proof may be produced (par. 1), in particular are admissible, reports from referees, declarations from the parties and witnesses, material evidence, audio or video recordings (par. 3).
I think if a Suarez had been racially provoked, by a player or a fan, then there would have been more sympathy. However in this case it's a cnut being a cnut.Repetition certainly makes it really bad, but I think all this situation would be worse if Suárez had attacked someone in the crowd yesterday.
I've never understood the reaction to the handball. I hate the guy but not for that. I think most pros would have done it. The celebrations caught on tape were perhaps not in best taste.I was someone who thought that the handball in the Ghana game was completely fine. He was sent off and a penalty was given. End of story. Anyone remember Solksjaer's tackle on I can't remember who from a while ago when they were through on goal? Same sort of thing imo - take one for the team........
Biting is completely different. The English media probably do go over the top on occasion, but who else goes around biting people on a regular basis? They should throw the book at him and I hope that we get a media frenzy over this as sadly, sponsors noticing the negative publicity and putting pressure on FIFA to make an example of him is the only thing they will take notice of.
only? Guy in Holland begs to differ.All this talk of Cantona and others is a waste of time & a smokescreen; the only precedent that's relevant is the Ivanovic incident.
Agree with that. The way he celebrated afterwards was a bit tasteless, though.I was someone who thought that the handball in the Ghana game was completely fine. He was sent off and a penalty was given. End of story. Anyone remember Solksjaer's tackle on I can't remember who from a while ago when they were through on goal? Same sort of thing imo - take one for the team........
Sadly there is no antidote to scouse....I fear for Chiellini.In all seriousness, the Italian FA should request that a test is done on Suarez for various viral infections. They'll never get to the bottom of any subsequent bacterial infections of the wound.
Sadly there is no antidote to scouse....I fear for Chiellini.
Agree the life ban talk is a bit silly. But the silliness stems from the sheer grotesqueness of the act. You're seriously underestimating the madness of biting someone -there's a reason why vampires are featured in horror films. Cannibalism is moral anathema in every culture in the world so this was never going to be swept under the carpet. Roy Keane et al did more dangerous things but they usually had some relationship to the game of football -late or mistimed tackles. Biting someone is just fecking weird and hence the fuss.I'm not affronted, he is a fecking idiot, I've spelt it out enough times. I'm more pissed off than any one of you because he quite clearly has let himself and the side down, putting our chances on the line on a stupid and unnecessary act.
I do however find biting is suddenly almost like beheading someone, people wanting bans until a psychologist guarantees he won't bite anyone... Maybe Roy Keane, Dennis Wise, Michael Brown, Ben Thatcher, etc should have had similar treatment since they did far far more dangerous things. It's blown out of proportion. I agree FIFA should ban him, and maybe take into account it's a repeat if they regard it as their remit, just like with any assault cases. I think missing 4 games will do more than enough damage in terms of him having to have a rethink about it all.
I only just saw the Tabarez press conference but, as I was saying earlier, fecking predictable. Three English reporters start asking him about Suarez, biting and suspensions. Last time he met a press conference in the same conditions was in South Africa after Ghana and he was well and truly pissed off that instead of celebrating victory after 120 minutes of twists and turns and penos it all was about that single incident and some sort of moral issue around it. I'm not surprised at his reaction, particularly since he said he hadn't seen it and, frankly, no one at the stadium noticed it and there was no talk about it outside the stadium until about half and hour or more after the game. I can see why he started pointing fingers and saying he would support him to the end.
Lugano is a different cup of tea. The way he plays he thinks that is part and parcel of the defender/striker contest. Football is for gladiators and all that. I like that competitive side of football but sometimes you have to draw the line somewhere. Yes, Chiellini is a twat and acting like a bad loser because that was not the defining moment of the game in any shape or form, but Suarez should know better and can blame no one but himself. He could do with hearing that from his captain, at least privately.
Ultimately, there's no room for them to do any public condemnation, so I'd rather they shut up, get on with it (and any suspension) and handle it internally/privately.
All part of the plan to lure him into a trap, of course.The British press have an agenda against Suarez.
The same British press that voted him their player of the year last year.
All human bites will result in a bacterial infection if the skin is broken. Quite nasty ones, too.In all seriousness, the Italian FA should request that a test is done on Suarez for various viral infections. They'll never get to the bottom of any subsequent bacterial infections of the wound.
The problem is tracking it. Many are near impossible to grow and infection can take a long time to become evident. The tests for viruses are far easier and positives are usually far more worrying.All human bites will result in a bacterial infection if the skin is broken. Quite nasty ones, too.
I'm sure if the skin was broken the Italian team's doctors would've put the fellow on a course of amoxi/clav right away. Standard procedure for any bite, really.The problem is tracking it. Many are near impossible to grow and infection can take a long time to become evident. The tests for viruses are far easier and positives are usually far more worrying.
why rude? if he has any kind of infection it is a concern.Tweet
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Very rude but I thought it was funny.