My national team (co)manager recons this is no worse than headbutting or aggressively tackling and he should not be punished.
Suarez bites | "sorry for falling into him and biting him and that"
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik @Rood and Imran @Annihilate Now! start with the good news by celebrating Manchester United Women's emphatic FA Cup win over Spurs at Wembley and the future of manager Marc Skinner.
Then it's the bad news and the ever worsening form of our Men with losses to Arsenal and Palace.
Finally the main debate - ETH Out now or keep him until the end of the season - if not longer. Are you Team Nik or Team Imran?
Repetition certainly makes it really bad, but I think all this situation would be worse if Suárez had attacked someone in the crowd yesterday.
This is FIFA we are talking about. If he gets anything less than a well done I'd be pissed if I were Chielini. But this is FIFA.
Biting is the ultimate tactic to rile an opponent to try get them sent off.
It's very hard to detect - all three incidents were missed by referees.
It will anger the prey immeasurably.
There is no elbow swing, headbut just a quick flash of his teeth and its done.
Suarez is a football innovator.
It's very hard to detect - all three incidents were missed by referees.
It will anger the prey immeasurably.
There is no elbow swing, headbut just a quick flash of his teeth and its done.
Suarez is a football innovator.
Then they should let Suarez wipe his arse on the Fair Play flag they parade before every game.
Agreed, I think it's one of his many "rile up/unsettle the rival defender" tactics. I think that's part of the game, but this particular one he should have dropped a long time ago.
The Italians were always into pinching.
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Should FIFA throw the book at Suarez? I don't know. Is it edible?
Should FIFA throw the book at Suarez? I don't know. Is it edible?
Fifa more interested in Fair Pay than Fair Play - their sponsors will call the shots - this is the organisation that gave Qatar the world cup.
There seems to be a few of you underestimating the ramifications of this. My friend works at a school just outside of Manchester and told me three stories about Liverpool "fans" in his school today.
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No. 1 was a little young lad in year 7. He'd been supporting Liverpool this year because they play "well good and stuff". He supported Chelsea last year, but comes from a spoiled background and always changes his team. Well guess what. He's changed again. He apparently come in today in a full Man United strip. He said he "couldn't support a team with such abhorrent morals" and that "Suarez exemplifies a child not accustomed to getting his own way" So thanks Suarez, you've just boosted Man United's coffers by 100.00. At a conservative estimate, if one lad per school changes allegiances to United he'll have gained hundreds of thousands of pounds.
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No. 2 was a bit older. Just about to start his GCSE's. He doesn't seem that interested in football, but apparently his Dad pushes him into it. His Father has often come to parents evenings in full Liverpool kit an threatened to "Knock out" anyone who claims Lucas isn't the best Brazillian player in the world. Once a little lad went around his house and he had a photo of Suarez hanging in the dining room, this is right after he bit Ivanovic. Well today it was boiling hot apparently yet his boy was the only one with his blazer on. My mate told him to take it off as he was sweating and apparently he looked ridiculous. Eventually he had taken it off to reveal his Dad had written "Suarez - 7" on his back in permanent marker. All of the other kids started laughing. Someone called him a "biting bastard". This lad was popular before and now apparently he's a social outcast. He isn't allowed to stop supporting Liverpool because of his Dad but as a result he's lost all his friends.
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No. 3 is the worst. Lovely lad apparently, just finished year 10. Fantastic footballer. School captain and has played for both United and City reserves. Playing football today on the all weather he tried to get around a defender, got tackled and bit him. The other players played on as if it was normal, but the teacher on duty was shocked.
"What do you think you're doing lad?!?!"
"Sir it's ok, we all bite now. If Suarez can do it, why can't we"
Apparently all the other kids agreed. They all thought it was acceptable because Suarez had done it before and not got properly punished. "We only aren't racist because you're here Sir"
Well at this point the teacher was shocked and got the child to go inside. He had to phone home and suspend him. The boy couldn't believe he'd done anything wrong. He watched Suarez on MOTD and assumed it was ok in football. Rumours are he'll be expelled and have to go to a school down the road which specialises in expelled students. A whole life ruined.
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And this is from just ONE school. So yeah talk of a 4 match ban is ridiculous. He should be banned for the full 2 years.
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No. 1 was a little young lad in year 7. He'd been supporting Liverpool this year because they play "well good and stuff". He supported Chelsea last year, but comes from a spoiled background and always changes his team. Well guess what. He's changed again. He apparently come in today in a full Man United strip. He said he "couldn't support a team with such abhorrent morals" and that "Suarez exemplifies a child not accustomed to getting his own way" So thanks Suarez, you've just boosted Man United's coffers by 100.00. At a conservative estimate, if one lad per school changes allegiances to United he'll have gained hundreds of thousands of pounds.
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No. 2 was a bit older. Just about to start his GCSE's. He doesn't seem that interested in football, but apparently his Dad pushes him into it. His Father has often come to parents evenings in full Liverpool kit an threatened to "Knock out" anyone who claims Lucas isn't the best Brazillian player in the world. Once a little lad went around his house and he had a photo of Suarez hanging in the dining room, this is right after he bit Ivanovic. Well today it was boiling hot apparently yet his boy was the only one with his blazer on. My mate told him to take it off as he was sweating and apparently he looked ridiculous. Eventually he had taken it off to reveal his Dad had written "Suarez - 7" on his back in permanent marker. All of the other kids started laughing. Someone called him a "biting bastard". This lad was popular before and now apparently he's a social outcast. He isn't allowed to stop supporting Liverpool because of his Dad but as a result he's lost all his friends.
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No. 3 is the worst. Lovely lad apparently, just finished year 10. Fantastic footballer. School captain and has played for both United and City reserves. Playing football today on the all weather he tried to get around a defender, got tackled and bit him. The other players played on as if it was normal, but the teacher on duty was shocked.
"What do you think you're doing lad?!?!"
"Sir it's ok, we all bite now. If Suarez can do it, why can't we"
Apparently all the other kids agreed. They all thought it was acceptable because Suarez had done it before and not got properly punished. "We only aren't racist because you're here Sir"
Well at this point the teacher was shocked and got the child to go inside. He had to phone home and suspend him. The boy couldn't believe he'd done anything wrong. He watched Suarez on MOTD and assumed it was ok in football. Rumours are he'll be expelled and have to go to a school down the road which specialises in expelled students. A whole life ruined.
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And this is from just ONE school. So yeah talk of a 4 match ban is ridiculous. He should be banned for the full 2 years.
And Cantona was subject to a lengthy ban imposed by the club itself.
Let's see if Liverpool have the guts, shall we?
It's less retaliation and more of a reflex to lash out a little when someone bites you.
You don't get banned for breaking someone's leg, you get banned for receiving a red card for serious foul play. People need to realise that the consequence of an action don't necessarily make an action wrong or immoral. A perfectly innocent tackle can sometimes result in a broken leg while an overly aggressive, violent assault with intent to harm might not injure anyone but would still warrant a red card (and sometimes even a harsher punishment). Biting someone certainly falls under overly aggressive with intent to harm.
Chiellini or Italian FA should also get a lawyer. that will be fun.
Perhaps, what if he bit someone in the crowd? That seems to be his MO.
Just to clarify "this situation would be worse if Suárez had attacked someone in the crowd yesterday in response to a racist running down from the stands to scream racist words toward him"
I'm by no means condoning what Cantona did. He deserved the ban.
Of course they are, it's a Manchester United forum. I think the result will be very disappointing.
That's what I found absolutely hilarious about it all. The Italians complaining about underhand tactics... and the world rallying behind them. You couldn't make it up
Absolutely. I also coudn't be arsed if he got help or not.
If this was a sign of some uncontrollable rage how has he managed to only do it three times in the past four or five seasons? All those matches in that time for Ajax, Liverpool and Uruguay. All with their own ups and downs and pressures. Yet for 99% of the time he managed to keep his teeth to himself. Sounds like he has pretty good self control. He just mixes up his offences based on the situation. He's not some feral young man who was raised by wolves who doesn't understand that it's wrong to bite someone when you're frustrated. 3 times in 4 years. Calculated. Also dumb desperate and despicable.
One element of this that I've barely seen brought up is the issue of hygiene and the basic human right of others not to have their own health risked by being bitten by another human being. Serious diseases can be transmitted by biting, and Suarez has no right to potentially expose other professionals to that risk.
I know that the above may sound overly simplistic, but I feel that the sheer simplicity of how potentially dangerous being bitten is, is being lost in all of the surrounding chaos and different agendas being pushed.
Suarez has no right to put other players in a situation where they're attacked and potentially forced to swap bodily fluids with him during a match. This is a serious breach of professional conduct - to the point of it almost being surreal.
In fact, I think the 'out there' nature of Suarez' transgressions adds a humorous angle when looking at the incidents, but in reality, there's nothing funny about being bitten against your will by another adult human. It's a serious infringement. And odder still - it's an intimate infringement.
I think those defending Suarez (those who seem to be solely Liverpool, Barca or Uruguay fans) will be surprised by the length of the ban this time.
I think FIFA will quite rightly come down hard on this, and Suarez will be looking at no less than a year out of the game - club and country.
I know that the above may sound overly simplistic, but I feel that the sheer simplicity of how potentially dangerous being bitten is, is being lost in all of the surrounding chaos and different agendas being pushed.
Suarez has no right to put other players in a situation where they're attacked and potentially forced to swap bodily fluids with him during a match. This is a serious breach of professional conduct - to the point of it almost being surreal.
In fact, I think the 'out there' nature of Suarez' transgressions adds a humorous angle when looking at the incidents, but in reality, there's nothing funny about being bitten against your will by another adult human. It's a serious infringement. And odder still - it's an intimate infringement.
I think those defending Suarez (those who seem to be solely Liverpool, Barca or Uruguay fans) will be surprised by the length of the ban this time.
I think FIFA will quite rightly come down hard on this, and Suarez will be looking at no less than a year out of the game - club and country.
I think if a Suarez had been racially provoked, by a player or a fan, then there would have been more sympathy. However in this case it's a cnut being a cnut.
Approximately 10%-15% of human bite wounds become infected because of multiple factors. The bacterial inoculum of human bite wounds is rich in oral flora, containing as many as 100 million organisms per milliliter that represent as many as 190 different species. Many of these are anaerobes that flourish in the low redox environment of tartar that lies between human teeth or in areas of gingivitis. Moreover, most of these injuries occur on the hands, and hand wounds of any cause have a higher infection rate than do similar wounds in other anatomic locations. (See Pathophysiology and Etiology.)
These infections are often far advanced by the time they receive appropriate care. Patients often wait until infection is well established before seeking medical treatment. Wounds that are reevaluated are frequently more extensive than estimated on initial examination by the inexperienced observer and are frequently managed inadequately. (See Prognosis, Presentation, Treatment, and Medication.)
Human bites have been shown to transmit hepatitis B, hepatitis C, herpes simplex virus (HSV), syphilis, tuberculosis, actinomycosis, and tetanus.
Evidence suggests that it is biologically possible to transmit the human immunodeficiency virus (HIV) through human bites, although this is quite unlikely. (See Pathophysiology, Presentation, and Workup.)
The goals of therapy are to minimize possible soft tissue deformity and to prevent or appropriately treat infection. Recognition of the high risk of infectious complications and early aggressive treatment are mandatory to prevent serious wound infection and its associated complications. (See Prognosis, Treatment, and Medication.)
These infections are often far advanced by the time they receive appropriate care. Patients often wait until infection is well established before seeking medical treatment. Wounds that are reevaluated are frequently more extensive than estimated on initial examination by the inexperienced observer and are frequently managed inadequately. (See Prognosis, Presentation, Treatment, and Medication.)
Human bites have been shown to transmit hepatitis B, hepatitis C, herpes simplex virus (HSV), syphilis, tuberculosis, actinomycosis, and tetanus.
Evidence suggests that it is biologically possible to transmit the human immunodeficiency virus (HIV) through human bites, although this is quite unlikely. (See Pathophysiology, Presentation, and Workup.)
The goals of therapy are to minimize possible soft tissue deformity and to prevent or appropriately treat infection. Recognition of the high risk of infectious complications and early aggressive treatment are mandatory to prevent serious wound infection and its associated complications. (See Prognosis, Treatment, and Medication.)
I was someone who thought that the handball in the Ghana game was completely fine. He was sent off and a penalty was given. End of story. Anyone remember Solksjaer's tackle on I can't remember who from a while ago when they were through on goal? Same sort of thing imo - take one for the team........
Biting is completely different. The English media probably do go over the top on occasion, but who else goes around biting people on a regular basis? They should throw the book at him and I hope that we get a media frenzy over this as sadly, sponsors noticing the negative publicity and putting pressure on FIFA to make an example of him is the only thing they will take notice of.
Biting is completely different. The English media probably do go over the top on occasion, but who else goes around biting people on a regular basis? They should throw the book at him and I hope that we get a media frenzy over this as sadly, sponsors noticing the negative publicity and putting pressure on FIFA to make an example of him is the only thing they will take notice of.
All this talk of Cantona and others is a waste of time & a smokescreen; the only precedents that are relevant are the Ivanovic incident & the 'Ajax' one.
I've never understood the reaction to the handball. I hate the guy but not for that. I think most pros would have done it. The celebrations caught on tape were perhaps not in best taste.
only? Guy in Holland begs to differ.
Agree with that. The way he celebrated afterwards was a bit tasteless, though.
In all seriousness, the Italian FA should request that a test is done on Suarez for various viral infections. They'll never get to the bottom of any subsequent bacterial infections of the wound.
Sadly there is no antidote to scouse....I fear for Chiellini.
Agree the life ban talk is a bit silly. But the silliness stems from the sheer grotesqueness of the act. You're seriously underestimating the madness of biting someone -there's a reason why vampires are featured in horror films. Cannibalism is moral anathema in every culture in the world so this was never going to be swept under the carpet. Roy Keane et al did more dangerous things but they usually had some relationship to the game of football -late or mistimed tackles. Biting someone is just fecking weird and hence the fuss.
The British press have an agenda against Suarez.
The same British press that voted him their player of the year last year.
The same British press that voted him their player of the year last year.
All part of the plan to lure him into a trap, of course.The British press have an agenda against Suarez.
The same British press that voted him their player of the year last year.
All human bites will result in a bacterial infection if the skin is broken. Quite nasty ones, too.
The problem is tracking it. Many are near impossible to grow and infection can take a long time to become evident. The tests for viruses are far easier and positives are usually far more worrying.
I'm sure if the skin was broken the Italian team's doctors would've put the fellow on a course of amoxi/clav right away. Standard procedure for any bite, really.
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Very rude but I thought it was funny.
why rude? if he has any kind of infection it is a concern.
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