Exactly what is it that he does? You say "what he does" as if he does a specific role. But he's not really a specialist centre-midfielder. A very good one, but not a specialist in any area.
When it comes to Pogba, I'm clearly living in a different universe than the Caf. I really don't get it. I thought he was completely useless in that game and the French nationalteam only created dangerous situations when they bypassed the midfield with long balls. Kroos didn't have a great game either, but that was mostly down to Germany taking the lead early (Kroos won the freekick, that lead to the goal, and gave the assist by the way) and then happily sitting deep and trying to kill the game on the counter, which doesn't really suit his game. Pogba wasn't able to win the ball back in midfield and he did feck all in terms of penetrating the German defense.
Pogba is what, 21 years old? Nowhere near kroos' level yet. Gundogan has been injured for over a year, Alonso is way past his prime and isn't at kroos' level, same with pirlo. Fabregas isn't what he was at arsenal, though that's a similar level to kroos IMO. Pjanic, as much as I love him, just isn't as good as kroos. Same with koke. Maybe they might get there, but it's more potential currently.
I understand that to an extent but dominating games was my answer to these ridiculess world class claims, not compared to Pogba or Thiago (they also still have a lot to prove). Pogba played a great game against Real Madrid in the champions league last season which was a show piece two excellent midfields.
He's not at his level because he's 21? You can explain that. Injured or not Gundogan is better that was not my point. Now if your too old your not better either is there a restriction to this debate. Alonso is still better than Kroos right now. The rest i would put down to preference.
It seems like Van Gaal likes his midfielders to be full of energy. That's why he signed off on Herrera(even though Moyes identified him) and why we are also after Vidal and dont forget his love affair with Strootman. For all his ability, Kroos doesnt fit the bill when it comes dynamism. We got carried away comparing him to Paul Scholes but Paul scored a lot of tap ins, a testament to his determination to get in the box. Tony Kroos just doesnt make those runs enough in my opinion. Those goals he scored in the semis were a rarity.
Modric has that lucid short and mid range pass, Kroos, not so often. Modric also has the best outside of the foot pass. Last season stats say he also has the highest percentage in long passing (in top 5 European leagues). Kroos can't really dribble and his passing suffers much more when under pressure. He also doesn't have the energy and the agility to move around the pitch as fast. He does have a great shot though. My point is that Kroos is a very good player that any manager would love to have, but there are better midfielders then him at Bayern and at Madrid, better at whatever it is that "he does best".
You don't watch him play much do you? Do you seriously think Bayern would play Kroos pretty much every game over the last few seasons just for the sake of it? How many games have you watched him play exactly? What can you say about Rooney in the two games against Bayern, he looked like a 3 Million pound striker. Does that mean he's a bang average player?
Well i've watched all them games you've mentioned so... i've probably watched him a fare bit. Why is the the best distributor in the game? It's silly stuff like that which annoy me. He hasn't bossed games.. just like you've mentioned his looked good in games where his team are doing well.. like you can look bad when your team isn't. Tell you what give me a game against a good opposition midfield where his controlled the game and i'll watch it. For instance i've watched Sweinsteiger boss Inter Milan in the final even though they lost.. I've seen Gundogan boss Bayern in there cup final 3 years ago.. I've seen alot of good midfielders boss games which i don't have to make a 20 game review of so i'm pretty sure having watched a decent bit of Kroos I should have atleast seen these world class traits!!You don't watch him play much do you? Do you seriously think Bayern would play Kroos pretty much every game over the last few seasons just for the sake of it? How many games have you watched him play exactly? What can you say about Rooney in the two games against Bayern, he looked like a 3 Million pound striker. Does that mean he's a bang average player?
Kroos had so many great games in his career, but of course you're cherry picking the Madrid game where the whole Bayern team wasn't working anymore. Look at Robben in that game, now compare it to his world cup performances...
I thought many people would realize how important Kroos can be for a team, I don't know any other player who is as good at distributing the ball as him. Did you watch him against ManC in the Champions League, where he absolutely bossed the midfield against Yaya Toure? Or the Arsenal away game where he scored a beautiful longshot to get the win at the Emirates? What about the game WC games against Portugal and Brazil? Most probably only remember him for his stupid header in the final though
He was very good against Madrid in 2012 too. Got the better of ozil imo and pressed him mercilessly.
Yeah I know, but I couldn't find a video on Youtube about it.
Yes, he has matches like this. Why does nobody show the others? The ones when he does not track back, when he seems to give a shit, when he is the slowest and least running player on the pitch etc. When the opponent does not let him any space and when you really have to fight. The matches in which it is really difficult because we would need more dynamic play and risk and less side passes. Or why is always the one shot of 40 shown that goes in and not the 20 in which he does not see the better positioned fellow player...
Sorry, but that is a very stupid quote. Could come from Bild after Euro 2012 semi.
Are you a Bayern fan?
C'mon now............... We pretty much never look for players on the cheap, especially when they have Kroos ability. We are pretty much back on top and balling when it comes to money now.
Ramsey was excellent pretty much every time I've seen him play last season, scoring 16 goals from midfield in half a season is crazy. He could have easily been player of the year if he was fully fit throughout.
His shooting and the fact Scholes liked him. Too me the closest player to Scholes was Pjanic.
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Based on last season I would take gundogan out of there as he was injured and put di maria in after how well he played last season. Koke would have to be there too.
How do you get to that conclusion? Thiago looked good in a few matches against a few weak Bundesliga teams (like Frankfurt who didn't even field their best XI because they had the Europa League games). Last season Kroos was definitely Bayerns best midfielder, Thiago was good but he still has a lot to prove. Hopefully Thiago can stay fit next season so he can really show what he's capable of.
