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what I can see is Rodgers seems too quick to change his formations/teams/players what have you if something goes against him in a match...instead of perhaps making minor adjustments and pursuing with his beliefs.

Not sure if I have oversimplified it.
 

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Summer sacking. Owners seem a sensible lot despite their questionable faith in Rodgers.

They'll improve though. I doubt by much. They are very ordinary (which is hilariously what they keep calling United so god knows what that makes them) and for me, don't have a single leader in the squad.
 

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Would be bizarre to sack him now after giving him the money in the summer
The mistake has already been made in my view, he shouldn't have been backed in the summer. To keep him any longer would just add to the misery.
 

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My worry is the comment Klopp made that "it doesn't have to be an absolute top club". He seems the type to love this sort of challenge. And I think that style to suits this Liverpool side best as well.
 

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They'll improve I think. Benteke is a good signing. Coutinho is very good. Firminho will improve with time, and Milner will be decent for them. He needs to drop lovren though, and play players in their correct positions.
I am not so sure, as Carragher rightly pointed out they hhave a lot of strikers but he continues to play 4-3-3, also their signings make little sense to me in terms of Firminho and Benteke seem to have nothing in common. Most importantly I think their midfield is weak and will get outplayed consistently
 

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I think the next two games are at home for them and are both games they are expected to win, if they lose in either then it could ugly at Anfield
 

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I thought he could have played a diamond like the game during Moyes' time when Sterling tore us to shreds.

Benteke Ings
Firmino
Can Milner
Lucas
Gomez Lovern Skrtel Clyne
Mignolet
That would have atleast given him a chance with support for Benteke and having our defenders to contend with more than one attacker.
 

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Neither can we. But Lovren was his signing and Sakho the 'committee's'. It's turned into a one-man pissing contest. I wouldn't be against giving a run of games to a Clyne - Gomez - Sakho - Flanno back line when the latter comes back in a month or two. Can't be worse than Skrtel - Lovren.
How do you lot actually know who was who's signing?

It seems to change with the current narrative.

Rodgers is the messiah: Great signings attributed to him, shite ones are down to the committee.

Rodgers is a very naughty boy: Good signings are credited to the committee, shite ones and example of why he can't be trusted.
 

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My worry is the comment Klopp made that "it doesn't have to be an absolute top club". He seems the type to love this sort of challenge. And I think that style to suits this Liverpool side best as well.
This is the liverpool supporters dreams to.

It unfortunately ignores the americans, and their moneyball ethos.

Even if Klopp were available, Gary Monk is far more likely to be the one interviewed.
 

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I thought he could have played a diamond like the game during Moyes' time when Sterling tore us to shreds.

Benteke Ings
Firmino
Can Milner
Lucas
Gomez Lovern Skrtel Clyne
Mignolet
That would have atleast given him a chance with support for Benteke and having our defenders to contend with more than one attacker.
Mata - Herrera - Darmian and Shaw - Memphis would have destroyed those fullbacks while Carrick/Schneiderlin and Schweinsteiger combined with our Centrebacks would have walked around that midfield.
 

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This is the liverpool supporters dreams to.

It unfortunately ignores the americans, and their moneyball ethos.

Even if Klopp were available, Gary Monk is far more likely to be the one interviewed.
If Klopp wants the job he'll probably get it. We have an American in charge too.
 

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Mata - Herrera - Darmian and Shaw - Memphis would have destroyed those fullbacks while Carrick/Schneiderlin and Schweinsteiger combined with our Centrebacks would have walked around that midfield.
At worst it would have been a 4-2 instead of a meek 3-1 with a consolation goal.
 

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How do you lot actually know who was who's signing?

It seems to change with the current narrative.

Rodgers is the messiah: Great signings attributed to him, shite ones are down to the committee.

Rodgers is a very naughty boy: Good signings are credited to the committee, shite ones and example of why he can't be trusted.
Eh? Read what he posted - Lovren being Rodgers' signing is hardly a ringing endorsement! Lallana I'd suspect falls into the same category.

I think it's never going to be completely transparent, but there's a lot of signings you could probably safely attribute to Rodgers/committee. Sakho to committee and Lovren to Rodgers seems fair to me.
 

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http://www.football365.com/news/saturday-told-us-everything-about-you

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Forget all the faux intellectual talk of philosophy, those 90 minutes on Saturday showed you don’t know what you’re doing, silly man. It’s time to go now, Brendan.

Come on, that’s enough now, Brendan. It’s stopped being funny.

There was a moment about 18 months ago when it was hard to tell if Brendan Rodgers was a genius or a clown, or possible a genius clown. He’s been a lot of fun for us, but now there’s something dreadful and crushing about watching him go about his job, endlessly dressing up ineptitude as intellectual philosophy.

Many managers get a period of luck in their career, a period when they can do no wrong. It’s usually not because they’re doing anything massively different, more often it’s because a couple of players hit good form, or you accidentally hit on a new formation and the luck goes your way for a bit. Brendan had his luck with Luis Suarez but managed to convince himself that it wasn’t luck, it was an expression of his own brilliance – a combination of exceptional analysis, man-management and deep thinking.

To talk about football in the way that Brendan Rodgers talks about football, you have to be successful, otherwise you look stupid. Rodgers’ inability to match his pseudo-intellectualising with results says one thing and one thing only: I am deluded and I don’t know what I’m doing. Okay, so that’s two things.

And it was obvious from the way Liverpool played at Old Trafford that fundamentally he doesn’t know what he’s doing, unless being awful is his aim. Daniel Storey masterfully highlighted all of the flaws in Liverpool’s playin 16 Conclusions – the shocking thing was that Rodgers couldn’t even see any of this before, during, or after the match. I genuinely believe he is more occupied with thinking up a metaphysical riddle to utter at the post-match conference, solely in order to look brainy to thick people and to himself.

Some managers know when they’re lost, they know when they’ve signed the wrong players, they know when their tactics are hopeless and wrong, but Rodgers doesn’t. He still thinks he’s bloody great. Maybe he thinks he’s creating a hybrid physical expression of mathematics and poetry. He is certainly prone to talking like a man who is divorced entirely from reality. It is as though everything he says has been generated by a piece of software as a satire on the way air-headed, white-toothed motivational speakers go on, dressing up simple things in long-winded ways, so as to make out there’s more wisdom to it. Brendan, nobody is impressed anymore.

Even when saying really basic things about a footballer, he makes it sound weird. Talking of playing Danny Ings he said: “He’s a threat to the goal.” Why doesn’t he just say he’s a goal threat? Or that he might score. Ings isn’t a threat to the goal – his threat is to score a goal. I know it’s not a big thing, but such embellishment is illustrative of how his mind works. “I’m not one who chops and changes the philosophy – that’s something inherent in you,” is more classic Rodgers nonsense. First, it’s not true, for all the reasons Daniel says in 16 conclusions, but read the sentence again – it doesn’t actually make any sense. It should read “I don’t chop and change my philosophy – that’s something inherent in me,” and even then, you might argue the last two words are superfluous.

His whole aim with such uncomfortable, clunky expressions is to aggrandise himself. He refers to ‘the philosophy’ as though it is a grand concept like Marxism or quantum physics. And by saying that not chopping and changing is some sort of inherent character trait is just obvious nonsense. How you decide your team will play football is not a trait you’re given at birth. And anyway, whatever your philosophy is and from wherever it derives, if it leads to performances like Saturdays, it’s manifestly the wrong bloody philosophy.

But it’s all so typical of the man. His whole Liverpool tenure has been defined by all of these ridiculous hostages to fortune. He’s the only man in football who manages to put one foot in a bucket whilst slipping on a banana skin and shooting himself in the other foot.

Being thoughtful and clever is good, but only if you ARE thoughtful and clever. If you’re not thoughtful and clever but have merely just convinced yourself that you are – because everyone else you know has the intellect of gravy – you just end up making a fool of yourself. You’d think he’d have realised this by now, but he hasn’t. And he hasn’t because he believes in it and doesn’t realise that what surely used to be a pseudo-intellectual affectation has now become an entire consciousness.

His failures are well documented and extensive but it boils down to this: Brendan, look at the team, look at who they are and how they play. That tells us everything about you. Saturday told us everything about you. You can’t dress it up as a philosophy and you’re making yourself look stupid by doing so.

I wish you were actually just talking rubbish in order to get the sack and a huge pay-off. But you’re not, are you? You believe in the nonsense.

Brendan, it’s over or, to put it in terms you might better understand, the project demands a more progressive, dynamic individual, vis-a-vis interpersonal and inspirational one-on-one motivational and organisational skills, on both a macro and a micro level…and because of playing Dejan Lovren too, you big divvy.
 

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Eh? Read what he posted - Lovren being Rodgers' signing is hardly a ringing endorsement! Lallana I'd suspect falls into the same category.

I think it's never going to be completely transparent, but there's a lot of signings you could probably safely attribute to Rodgers/committee. Sakho to committee and Lovren to Rodgers seems fair to me.
Try reading what I've posted too.
 

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What exactly is his issue with Moreno btw? Spent pretty decent money on him and he can't get a game at all. I saw the West Ham game and Liverpool had absolutely nothing on the left going forward even though West ham left tons of space on the side. Same thing happened against United where Darmian really didn't have much to do at all
 

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Eh? Read what he posted - Lovren being Rodgers' signing is hardly a ringing endorsement! Lallana I'd suspect falls into the same category.

I think it's never going to be completely transparent, but there's a lot of signings you could probably safely attribute to Rodgers/committee. Sakho to committee and Lovren to Rodgers seems fair to me.
Except all your lot have been saying Ballotelli was a committee signing, but there's an extract from Gerrard's book which I posted a couple of hours ago where his words make it blatant that he was Rodgers signing. I don't believe this mythical transfer committee actually exists.
 

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Except all your lot have been saying Ballotelli was a committee signing, but there's an extract from Gerrard's book which I posted a couple of hours ago where his words make it blatant that he was Rodgers signing. I don't believe this mythical transfer committee actually exists.
Believe it or not but it exists. It's just not clear cut - Rodgers is involved in the committee and has a lot of say. Just not complete control (which he doesn't deserve).
 

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The Liverpool fans seem convinced that all they have to do is ask and Klopp will come running to save them.

Will he really go there? I put the Liverpool job up there with the England job in terms of being a poisoned chalice.
 

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Believe it or not but it exists. It's just not clear cut - Rodgers is involved in the committee and has a lot of say. Just not complete control (which he doesn't deserve).
The committee might exist but I fail to believe that they would buy players and force it on the manager. Especially a club of Liverpool s aspirations.
 

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how much of the scousers reaction is due to losing to us.
We were level on points before it.
Quite a large part, but only because it seemed to have been building. Rodgers had two jobs in this game: 1)don't play Lovren 2)play the diamond formation, something our team/squad is ready to do now.

He failed on both counts. Which doesn't mean we're now 3 points behind Utd. It means Rodgers is not the answer, even if he now wins his next 3 or 4 games on the trot. Eyes wide open.
 

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It unfortunately ignores the americans, and their moneyball ethos.
There's nothing moneyball at all about what Liverpool is doing. This is a misconception that gets often spouted but is simply untrue. Moneyball was a way to use an analytical, sabermetric approach to identify inefficiencies in the market for smaller revenue teams to compete. Certainly doesn't describe the £300,000,000 Liverpool has spent during Brendan's reign. There's no rhyme or reason to how they've wasted their money except to throw enough shit on a wall and hope something sticks.
 

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What exactly is his issue with Moreno btw? Spent pretty decent money on him and he can't get a game at all. I saw the West Ham game and Liverpool had absolutely nothing on the left going forward even though West ham left tons of space on the side. Same thing happened against United where Darmian really didn't have much to do at all
The issue with him is that he can't defend to save his life. That would be fine if they had a top LCB and a top DM but since they don't, they prefer to play Gomez who is a CB converted to LB so that they don't concede.
 

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Quite a large part, but only because it seemed to have been building. Rodgers had two jobs in this game: 1)don't play Lovren 2)play the diamond formation, something our team/squad is ready to do now.

He failed on both counts. Which doesn't mean we're now 3 points behind Utd. It means Rodgers is not the answer, even if he now wins his next 3 or 4 games on the trot. Eyes wide open.
I think there has to be some logic he isn't playing Sakho. I mean there was one when lvg didn't play the formation we wanted and Herrera who everyone wanted to start. Sakho has played before and if Rodgers still chooses lovren there has to be some reason. After all, the man maybe many things but he isn't senseless.
 

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I think there has to be some logic he isn't playing Sakho. I mean there was one when lvg didn't play the formation we wanted and Herrera who everyone wanted to start. Sakho has played before and if Rodgers still chooses lovren there has to be some reason. After all, the man maybe many things but he isn't senseless.
He is pretty senseless.
 

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Amazed he still has the job with Ancelotti and Klopp currently unemployed. Seems no one at liverpool is competent at doing their job.
 

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Quite a large part, but only because it seemed to have been building. Rodgers had two jobs in this game: 1)don't play Lovren 2)play the diamond formation, something our team/squad is ready to do now.

He failed on both counts. Which doesn't mean we're now 3 points behind Utd. It means Rodgers is not the answer, even if he now wins his next 3 or 4 games on the trot. Eyes wide open.
I can understand him playing Lovern after a poor performance. He is showing his faith in the player. As to formation...did he have the players he needed to do that?

What I did see which I will blame him for is that the players did not seem to have any self belief.

Still think we will only see what this team is capable of when he has all his players back. He has some relatively easy fixtures coming up. That will tell.
 

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I can understand him playing Lovern after a poor performance. He is showing his faith in the player. As to formation...did he have the players he needed to do that?
He more or less went out of his way to play Firmino on the wing as opposed to behind two strikers (who were on the pitch in Benteke and Ings, with the latter seemingly playing on the left). If you aren't going to play your new expensive attacking midfielder when your best attacking midfielder is out then when are you?
Still think we will only see what this team is capable of when he has all his players back. He has some relatively easy fixtures coming up. That will tell.
The easy fixtures won't really tell though. You need to be able to beat the best teams as well.
Isn't Rodgers' record against the top teams rather poor? Or am I imagining that?
 

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In any case, I doubt the owners will get rid of him mid-season...unless there is a total collapse.
As I said earlier sacking him now would be strange. They've just let him spend another shed load of money and it's only been five games, and it's not like losing at Old Trafford is unexpected. On the other hand he keeps making weird decisions, so yeah. I think he needs to get a really good performance very soon though, not just a good result, but a genuinely good performance to show that he actually know what he's doing. Even then he might just postpone the inevitable.
 

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As I said earlier sacking him now would be strange. They've just let him spend another shed load of money and it's only been five games, and it's not like losing at Old Trafford is unexpected. On the other hand he keeps making weird decisions, so yeah. I think he needs to get a really good performance very soon though, not just a good result, but a genuinely good performance to show that he actually know what he's doing. Even then he might just postpone the inevitable.
With Liverpool, the expectations are very high because of their history. It puts incredible stress on any manager. Rafa cracked for example.
But they have a decent shot at CL footie because of the Special One imploding.....if Rodgers pulls it together.
 

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Would you bizarre sacking him now. Give him a proper chance this season at least.
 

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Except all your lot have been saying Ballotelli was a committee signing, but there's an extract from Gerrard's book which I posted a couple of hours ago where his words make it blatant that he was Rodgers signing. I don't believe this mythical transfer committee actually exists.
Two weeks before Balotelli arrived - when LFC when in the USA - Rodgers stated that Balotelli was not a player he would ever contemplate bringing to LFC. 2 weeks later, the committee panicked and the rest is history. Google it.
 

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He more or less went out of his way to play Firmino on the wing as opposed to behind two strikers (who were on the pitch in Benteke and Ings, with the latter seemingly playing on the left). If you aren't going to play your new expensive attacking midfielder when your best attacking midfielder is out then when are you?

The easy fixtures won't really tell though. You need to be able to beat the best teams as well.
Isn't Rodgers' record against the top teams rather poor? Or am I imagining that?
Firmino : exactly.

Record : horrendous, I think it is 1 win in 17 away from home or something like that.