LVG Out Thread | BBC: Sacked!

[GeneralGattuso]

It's the PSV games that really bothered me - awful team who we should have beaten easily, like the Man City game, they were there for the taking but LVG played it safe. It's not the right kind of attitude for a Man Utd manager. He can't say the players aren't good enough, it's his team, he bought pretty much all of them. I credit him with giving games to the youngsters and ending the long ball nonsense that was Moyes. I'm not ready to give up on him, he'll have to change his attitude, at least today we played to win but that he has to be forced to do so, is worrying. Put it this way, I'd rather lose 3-2 in an exciting game than draw or lose 1-0 to a dire team like PSV.

He won't be sacked though, but if 4th starts to look shaky serious questions will be asked and right now I am looking at the teams below us not those above us. Spurs and Liverpool aren't far away and we are more likely to draw than win games, a few "unlucky" results and we will tumble down the table. We're close to the top because Man City and Arsenal have been so inconsistent, while Leicester are flying. Missing out on the top 4 is a real possibility, people aren't really discussing it and are still calling us title contenders but I don't see it that way, we won't lose many but we won't win many either, one new striker isn't going to solve that (although I still think we should bin Rooney).

I think the festive games and the winter transfer window will tell us which direction the club is heading in and if it's not a solid period then I expect much stronger calls for LVG to go. Right now, I'd prefer to see him stick it out and hopefully he will learn from this and start attacking teams - I won't hold my breath though!

 

[Silverman]

Is Guardiolas playing style any different to LVGs?

Doesn't really matter. Pep would be able to attract quality players to implement his style.

 

[Adisa]

What do the people who want him gone now want till the end of the season? Remember Ancelotti has said he's not cutting his sabbatical short.

 

[Ish]

*jazz hands*

 

[dannyrhinos89]

Ancelotti said yesterday he won't take any job mid-season so good luck with that.

Irrelevent, money talks in football, for the right price I'm certain that if united get on the phone with ancelotti he'd be here in a shot.

Wishful bullshit refers to changing managers magically making everything better.

Ermmm take it you've not seen liverpool then since klopp took over, (yes they lost to NUFC recently) but its very noticeable how much they've improved during his short term there.

 

[JPRouve]

We seem to be a club permanently stuck in transition

I bet, Chelsea will finish there transition before us whenever they choose to start it.

Lost in transition, the new Sofia Coppola movie about an old dutch man lost in the streets of the cold industrial City of Manchester.

 

[VeevaVee]

We were first in the table and before the psv game looked like the quali was routine. I dont mean it looked fantastic, but results wise we were on course.

I thought you meant in general, my bad.

 

[Di Maria's angel]

Ironic how spent all of last season grinding out to get to the CL, only to go out at the first hurdle.

 

[Baxter]

I don't see how anyone could think he's done a reasonable job. Domestically, the league is as poor as it has been in ages and we're managing to stumble along and drop points against poor teams, even at home. He's just managed to cock up a pretty straightforward group in Europe, having failed to beat a mediocre Dutch team home or away. He has spent hundreds of millions and let go a lot of players and we really haven't improved that much. To cap it all off, the football has been absolutely rubbish. He has to go.

 

[Sparky Rhiwabon]

Guardiola
Mourinho
G Neville
R Giggs
Ancelotti
Conte
Tuchel
Blanc
Simeone
LVG
M Hughes
Ranieri
Pochettino

Poll!

I don't want to see LVG go yet but if he did I wouldn't mind. Ultimately I believe he should pay a high price for thinning our squad so much and letting players like Hernandez and Rafael go.

Giggs? Neville? With no experience?
Mark Hughes?
Ranieri???

This isn't the WBA job!

 

[bleedred]

The team will start to lose faith in him, you just have to look at Martial's reaction after the game. So its better to get rid and get someone till the end of season.

 

[Dé jonge god]

Is Guardiolas playing style any different to LVGs?

The same in basics but much more finetuned. Much faster, a lot more off the ball movement and on the opponents half putting pressure (famous six-seconds rule), and the desire to score goals. Always forward thinking.

 

[Sheldon69]

I can only see pep taking over at the end of the season . If we fancy ancelotti then he would be in place by now .
I'm not for one minute having the board are behind lvg.
If we offer pep the job he would jump at it but he's coached a barca team with alves messi iniesta Xavi and busquets at there peak and a Bayern side that stevie wonder could win the bundesliga with so could he do it with the mediocre bunch we have.
Ancelotti as won a premier league as well as a champions league so could be the best bet if flat face gets potted .

 

[GeneralGattuso]

Is Guardiolas playing style any different to LVGs?

Is that a serious question???

 

[Jacob]

If we sack him now we will be no different to clubs we laugh at, that change managers as underwear. For all we know, we may still win the league!

 

[Damien]

Irrelevent, money talks in football, for the right price I'm certain that if united get on the phone with ancelotti he'd be here in a shot.

I can't see it. He had a back operation in the summer too.

 

[dogwithabone]

What about Pellegrini here if he loses his job at City ? In general he's done a solid job there.

 

[spwd]

For the people saying If he wins the league, fa cup etc, can you really see us doing this, absolutely no chance of winning anything playing like we are under him, giggs for the rest of the season and hopefully get pep or Carlo

 

[Silverman]

He's not leaving mid season that's for sure.

 

[Butty19]

The same in basics but much more finetuned. Much faster, a lot more off the ball movement and on the opponents half putting pressure (famous six-seconds rule), and the desire to score goals. Always forward thinking.

Having some of the worlds best players helps as well.

 

[Sir Matt]

If we sack him now we will be no different to clubs we laugh at, that change managers as underwear. For all we know, we may still win the league!

Better than being stuck with crap-filled underwear.

 

[Lennon7]

I'd love to see a change to be honest, but not mid season and I'm not sure for who.

More than anything, I hate the sort of game we play now. It's not even the boring possession style, it's the way we scrape through games and every single game is tense as feck. Fair enough we're fourth and not far off the top, but it doesn't mean anything. We'll be so easy to suss out, just like during parts of last season.

We played with flair going forward today, and if the defence/midfield played better and was more solid, we would've probably won.

 

[devil in me]

There is not a chance in hell that LVG is getting sacked mid season with the club battling for top four. The risk is too great. End of season, maybe but unlikely, but now? No chance.

 

[Wednesday at Stoke]

Their net spend is still only £20 million and that's really what matters when talking about performing on a budget. We can afford to run much higher transfer losses than that and we do, yet we're somehow not any better off for it.

Right, our net spend was zero last summer until we purchased Martial. They can afford to regularly spend upwards of 30 mil on players like Greizmann, Jackson Martinez etc and they spent well even before that to buy good forwards. That's hardly a shoestring budget. A shoestring budget is something people like Roberto Martinez operate on at Everton where buying someone like Lukaku is a once in a life time occurrence.

Atletico do however buy players well and sell them at a good rate. That's smart management but they are not pinching pennies by any means.

 

[Red Stone]

For the first time, I'm having proper doubts. We're hanging on in the league, mostly because the other title favourites are in poor form as well. There is no way a team like Leicester would top the table if Chelsea or City had done what was expected of them. In fact, we're not that much better than we were at this point last year.

The whole Rooney situation, the lack of depth up front (that every man and their dog could see would be a problem after the window closed) and the less than entertaining football have been niggling away at my opinion of him, but not qualifying from a group like that is just horrendous. We're a much better team than fecking PSV. I'd still give him the season. A good window in January and a strong league finish could save his job, but if we're still playing tumescent football and struggling for goals at the end of the season we have to get rid. Then I'll have no faith that he can improve us any more in the year he has left on his contract, and as soon as that's the case, what's the point of keeping him in the job?

 

[Butty19]

Is that a serious question???

Absolutely. Both favour a possession based style of football.

 

[Red-Jeff]

Hypothetically, if United were to sack Van Gaal tomorrow and signed SAF for the remainder of the season, where do you think you'd end up at the end of the season?

I can't help but think you'd be champions without too many troubles.

SAF is one of the best manager's ever, not Jesus. Just knock it off . This squad with the exception of our defense is just not good enough. When everyone is healthy our midfield is good but not great and the less said about our attackers, with the exception of Martial, the better.

 

[Ananke]

Request denied.

Request denied is approved.

 

[UnitedinRed]

We have had 18 months of the philosophy, thats 3 transfer windows and over €300m spent. We have a sparse squad, playing football thats a cure for insomnia. Nobody can see any plan or direction, our players look pissed off and unhappy. The only reason to keep LVG is down to some misguided sense of loyalty.

Plenty can see the direction. Were a fragile side still and have to play to our strengths. Any manager worth his salt would do this. Is our attack our strength? I don't believe it is. However our back 5/6 is. When we set up to utilise its effectiveness of course. It too still has plenty of work but its a defence with an average age in the low 20s, out performing most others.

Our attack however is a mixture of youth and experience, the experience isn't setting a great example, the youngster are hit and miss. Sometimes they have a shocker, other times they show real quality.

This isn't a team of winners yet. Its a team who knows how to pick up points though and that's ridiculously important in football. Its the whole point (No pun).

Had we played like that away in Holland and Germany, I suspect we would have been through, with at least 2 more points. Not brilliant, not exciting but it would have worked.

 

[Sammyjunn]

Ironic how spent all of last season grinding out to get to the CL, only to go out at the first hurdle.

Then people saying he can still get us to 4th, so he should stay. Embarassing.

 

[goin4glory]

Only positive from tonight is it may force United and LVG into the transfer market in Jan, he'd be naive to think there's not a good chance he's gone in the summer so why wouldn't you ask for it.

 

[sunama]

Okay, for those wanting him out here is a question.
You have seen our squad/players.
Consider our team, man for man and compare them with the top teams in our league and in Europe.

We are currently in joint 3rd. Do you honestly believe that another manager can do better with the players we have?

For me, our players (5 players excepted) are below average and getting top 3 with those players is a good achievement which most managers would struggle to do.
If had a Galactico striker I'd have put us as favourites, for the league so we are not as far away, from the league title as some may think.

 

[Lentwood]

I don't see how anyone could think he's done a reasonable job. Domestically, the league is as poor as it has been in ages and we're managing to stumble along and drop points against poor teams, even at home. He's just managed to cock up a pretty straightforward group in Europe, having failed to beat a mediocre Dutch team home or away. He has spent hundreds of millions and let go a lot of players and we really haven't improved that much. To cap it all off, the football has been absolutely rubbish. He has to go.

It's funny because I'm sat here wondering how anybody can think he isn't doing a reasonable job. I just don't understand what is going on at Utd at the moment, I genuinely thought our fans were different and had a greater football intelligence than average but turns out the moment we aren't cantering to league titles season after season people start spouting the same old crap you hear on every sports radio station phone in....the managers done this, he has spent that, this is a disgrace, that is a disgrace - it's easy to criticize and want to tear things down all the time every time we get a bad result but what would you do differently because I'm not seeing many quick fixes? It takes money, it takes time, it takes luck and good management in equal quantities and at the moment we haven't haven't spent enough money or had enough luck or time

 

[El Zoido]

I don't know how to feel about it. It's really unbelievable we failed to qualify from this group, it could hardly have been any easier. I think that man for man we're not that bad of a side but we rarely play well against anyone. Do we just keep spending millions more until it works?

 

[Glory Glory Denis Irwin]

It takes money, it takes time, it takes luck and good management in equal quantities and at the moment we haven't haven't spent enough money or had enough luck or time

As opposed to Ranieri at Leicester, or Tuchel or Dortmund? Examples of managers fitting their clubs and clicking immediately.

 

[LARulz]

Only want him out now if Pep is never coming here, in which case we move for an Ancelotti (assuming he's willing to come mid season). If Pep gives us the thumbs up for next season then we wait with LVG till Pep comes

 

[Sammyjunn]

Okay, for those wanting him out here is a question.
You have seen our squad/players.
Consider our team, man for man and compare them with the top teams in our league and in Europe.

We are currently in joint 3rd. Do you honestly believe that another manager can do better with the players we have?

For me, our players (5 players excepted) are below average and getting top 3 with those players is a good achievement which most managers would struggle to do.
If had a Galactico striker I'd have put us as favourites, for the league so we are not as far away, from the league title as some may think.

Thats partially his fault and we still have got way better players and way more spent than Wolfsburg, CSKA and PSV.

 

[Havak]

It's a tough call. Do the club sack him now and see if Giggs can keep us in the top four? Or let him stay and try to equal what he did last season before giving him the boot in hope of an attainable world class manager in the Summer?

I think unless we go and lose a couple of games in the next four, he's safe until the end of the season and he's going to get to spend even more money in January... Despite injuries, we should be looking at 10 Points in the next four games.

 

[MelvinYeo]

For those saying wait until the end of the season - is there any sign he can turn this around to keep us in the top 4? He looks like a beaten man compared to when he first came in. He point blank refused to make any excuses even when we had the terrible start, refusing to blame referees and injuries. Now the excuses are coming out by the truckload.

 

[Attila]

For those saying wait until the end of the season - is there any sign he can turn this around to keep us in the top 4? He looks like a beaten man compared to when he first came in. He point blank refused to make any excuses even when we had the terrible start, refusing to blame referees and injuries. Now the excuses are coming out by the truckload.

It depends on if we can get Guardiola at the end of the season for me. If we can then there's no point in sacking LVG until the end of the season